How many players can you name that have wanted to get PAID?

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I'll start....

ALL OF THEM!!!!:lol: Your turn Canada.

[Canada]

I'll start....

ALL OF THEM!!!!:lol: Your turn Canada.

How many of them showed up on day 1 of training camp, honored their contract and did it without complaining. MOST OF THEM!! :bananen_smilies046:

[Three7s]

How many of them showed up on day 1 of training camp, honored their contract and did it without complaining. MOST OF THEM!! :bananen_smilies046:
Then you must hate Bowe.

I recall Priest Holmes saying on National TV(a Monday Night game) that he was as happy as anyone alive right now because he got paid.

[Canada]

Then you must hate Bowe.

I recall Priest Holmes saying on National TV(a Monday Night game) that he was as happy as anyone alive right now because he got paid.

Camp holdouts sure aren't the way to start out on the right foot. I understand that guys want to get paid, there are just different ways to go about it.

[m0ef0e]

Camp holdouts are part of the business. Just like disgruntled players and off-field distractions (whether that be run-ins with the law, family emergencies, etc.).

All this stuff happens and always will. The good players are the ones who can still produce no matter how chaotic things may be. The good teams have these players on their rosters. What doesn't kill you...

[hardcorechiefsfan]

Then you must hate Bowe.



What?? Did Bowe not show up spring break or practice?

[m0ef0e]

What?? Did Bowe not show up spring break or practice?

He held out his rookie year and missed the start of camp.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Camp holdouts sure aren't the way to start out on the right foot. I understand that guys want to get paid, there are just different ways to go about it.
I think my point has been proven.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

How many of them showed up on day 1 of training camp, honored their contract and did it without complaining. MOST OF THEM!! :bananen_smilies046:
I beg to differ. I would say that 90% of them WERE COMPLAINING!!!!!!

[chief31]

Then you must hate Bowe.

I recall Priest Holmes saying on National TV(a Monday Night game) that he was as happy as anyone alive right now because he got paid.

Priest showed up to work every day of his contract negotiations.

Of course they all want to get paid. That's not the real question. he question is "How many players break the agreement that they signed to try and get it?"

And he answer is "plenty". But that displays what many feel is poor character.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Priest showed up to work every day of his contract negotiations.

Of course they all want to get paid. That's not the real question. he question is "How many players break the agreement that they signed to try and get it?"

And he answer is "plenty". But that displays what many feel is poor character.
I understand and agree partially with what your saying but if your going to go this route, you need to include coaches and owners as well because MOST all of them want to renegotiate MOST deals before they have ran their course. Does this still question their character? If so, LJ should NOT be thrown under the bus for this! Attitude, maybe. Wanting to get paid, definitley not!

[Canada]

I understand and agree partially with what your saying but if your going to go this route, you need to include coaches and owners as well because MOST all of them want to renegotiate MOST deals before they have ran their course. Does this still question their character? If so, LJ should NOT be thrown under the bus for this! Attitude, maybe. Wanting to get paid, definitley not!

You are the one who brought up the thread about getting paid. I know people want to renegotiate, but that is no reason to not show up at work. That is where the question of character is.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

You are the one who brought up the thread about getting paid. I know people want to renegotiate, but that is no reason to not show up at work. That is where the question of character is.
Once again, I think your missing my point. YOU and some others have been bashing LJ for this very thing you speak of correct? My statement about your bias is again shown here. You are the almighty optimist yet you continue to bash a player on the team and you so often get on others for doing the same. Coaches, owners and players alike all act like this! I think Brady Quinn was a ROOKIE and held out. Not a word about him from you. Now I understand you couldn't care less about the Browns but fair is fair. I never hear you bashing any other players, coaches or owners for doing the same exact thing and many times are far more vocal! Like I said, you want to bash his attitude great but to beat him up all day and say nothing of any other player in the league is just hypocritical. Also, I believe you were the one who so emphatically posted that LJ only wanted to get "PAID"!

[Canada]

Once again, I think your missing my point. YOU and some others have been bashing LJ for this very thing you speak of correct? My statement about your bias is again shown here. You are the almighty optimist yet you continue to bash a player on the team and you so often get on others for doing the same. Coaches, owners and players alike all act like this! I think Brady Quinn was a ROOKIE and held out. Not a word about him from you. Now I understand you couldn't care less about the Browns but fair is fair. I never hear you bashing any other players, coaches or owners for doing the same exact thing and many times are far more vocal! Like I said, you want to bash his attitude great but to beat him up all day and say nothing of any other player in the league is just hypocritical. Also, I believe you were the one who so emphatically posted that LJ only wanted to get "PAID"!

You claim to read posts. If you did you would see that I respect the talent that LJ has as a RB. Unfortunately I do not think he brings it all to the table. He is an average receiver, a poor blocker. He throws his helmet on the field when things don't go his way. He has whined and complained since day 1. (Yes, when he was behind Priest Holmes) Do you honestly think that LJ had a team attitude? That is the only thing that I have ever gotten on LJ for. Yes, I think it sucks that Brady Quinn held out as well as Bowe, LJ and any other player that holds out. It was actually quite refreshing to hear Dorsey say that he did not care about the difference between 50 and 60 million, he just wanted to get out to camp and play. I guess that kind of attitude from a player is too much to ask in todays NFL. I have shown no bias whatsoever. Anything that I have posted about LJ is in a thread regarding LJ. That is what it is there for, to discuss LJ. Not Brady Quinn. So as much as I am the "almighty optimist" (<--is that supposed to be an insult? cause I don't think that is at all what we were talking about) I have not ever "bashed" LJ. Everything I have ever said about him is true. Find me a post where I am bashing him and not talking the truth.

[Canada]

Like I said, you want to bash his attitude great but to beat him up all day and say nothing of any other player in the league is just hypocritical.

Really...Ihave said nothing about Chad Johnson, TO, Pac Man Jones or any of the other idiots in the NFL. I guess you only read certain threads??

[Drunker Hillbilly]

You claim to read posts. If you did you would see that I respect the talent that LJ has as a RB. Unfortunately I do not think he brings it all to the table. He is an average receiver, a poor blocker. He throws his helmet on the field when things don't go his way. He has whined and complained since day 1. (Yes, when he was behind Priest Holmes) Do you honestly think that LJ had a team attitude? That is the only thing that I have ever gotten on LJ for. Yes, I think it sucks that Brady Quinn held out as well as Bowe, LJ and any other player that holds out. It was actually quite refreshing to hear Dorsey say that he did not care about the difference between 50 and 60 million, he just wanted to get out to camp and play. I guess that kind of attitude from a player is too much to ask in todays NFL. I have shown no bias whatsoever. Anything that I have posted about LJ is in a thread regarding LJ. That is what it is there for, to discuss LJ. Not Brady Quinn. So as much as I am the "almighty optimist" (<--is that supposed to be an insult? cause I don't think that is at all what we were talking about) I have not ever "bashed" LJ. Everything I have ever said about him is true. Find me a post where I am bashing him and not talking the truth.
Really? I mean Really? You have been on his a$$ since he held out! You were on his a$$ about holding out because you thought he was all about the money, right? For the umpteenth time, this discussion is ONLY about you *****ing about him only wanting the money! I believe you said at one point that Priest played for the love of the game right? Well, there is a quote out there some where stating that Priest said he was happy he was going to get paid! For you to even insinuate that you haven't been all over his a$$ because he's all about him and it's all about the money is just stupid!!!!! Yes, you have said everything about his bad attitude and it all is true but come on dude, be serious!!!! I think it's funny to read that you respect his talent yet you want them to trade him. Top 3 back in the league and you want them to trade him because of his attitude eh? Fix the f ing line and there is no attitude. Give him the ball more than 7 times agame and there is no attitude. All of this said, even with the lack of production from the oline and the lack of carries he is getting, he is still the leading rusher in the AFC I believe. Yea, trade his a$$!!! Let Smith and the 1 down rookie carry the load for the entire season. Thats the ticket!

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Really...Ihave said nothing about Chad Johnson, TO, Pac Man Jones or any of the other idiots in the NFL. I guess you only read certain threads??
Yea, you mentioned their names. Big deal. You've gone into immense detail about LJ.

[Canada]

Yea, you mentioned their names. Big deal. You've gone into immense detail about LJ.

Cause he plays for the Chiefs...and this ic a Chiefs site...Coincindence?? hmm.... Were you not the one who aid I don't complain about others...those are the others. do you forget stuff you posted?

[Canada]

Really? I mean Really? You have been on his a$$ since he held out! You were on his a$$ about holding out because you thought he was all about the money, right? For the umpteenth time, this discussion is ONLY about you *****ing about him only wanting the money!

You started a thread about who wants to get paid and then led it right back to the thread about LJ. This thread is about people who want to get paid. Started by YOU! and directed right at me. Why would I not talk about him wanting to get paid.
I believe you said at one point that Priest played for the love of the game right? Well, there is a quote out there some where stating that Priest said he was happy he was going to get paid! For you to even insinuate that you haven't been all over his a$$ because he's all about him and it's all about the money is just stupid!!!!! Yes, you have said everything about his bad attitude and it all is true but come on dude, be serious!!!! I think it's funny to read that you respect his talent yet you want them to trade him.

While he is still worth trading. I don't want to hear the same sh!t that I am hearing about Tony right now. Or do you just need another reason to complain about CP down the road too?
Top 3 back in the league and you want them to trade him because of his attitude eh? Fix the f ing line and there is no attitude. Give him the ball more than 7 times agame and there is no attitude. Give a whiner what they want no matter what and they will stop whining.
All of this said, even with the lack of production from the oline and the lack of carries he is getting, he is still the leading rusher in the AFC I believe. I wonder if that has anything to do with a big game against the donx. Yea, trade his a$$!!! Let Smith and the 1 down rookie carry the load for the entire season. And play with the rest of the rookies. Thats the ticket!

I can't wait until we make a superbowl run with a 32 year old RB!! :sign0098:

[chief31]

I understand and agree partially with what your saying but if your going to go this route, you need to include coaches and owners as well because MOST all of them want to renegotiate MOST deals before they have ran their course. Does this still question their character? If so, LJ should NOT be thrown under the bus for this! Attitude, maybe. Wanting to get paid, definitley not!

Those who show up to work win some respect, and those who refuse lose some respect. Along with all of the other little things that have caused me to lose respect for him, he just doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me.




I think it's funny to read that you respect his talent yet you want them to trade him. Top 3 back in the league and you want them to trade him because of his attitude eh?

Primarily because he has no value here, and does have some value with other teams. At least on my end of wanting him traded.

Fix the f ing line and there is no attitude.

Not true. He has never been attitude-free. He hid it at times. But it has always been there prominently.

Give him the ball more than 7 times agame and there is no attitude. All of this said, even with the lack of production from the oline

How is it that when LJ racks up the stats, LJ is a stud, but when he can't do a thing, the o-line can't produce? This is one of things that bothers me about you opinion of LJ.

I blame the o-line for him not producing, and I credit the o-line for him producing well.

You are completely inconsistent when it comes to the topic of LJ.

and the lack of carries he is getting, he is still the leading rusher in the AFC I believe. Yea, trade his a$$!!! Let Smith and the 1 down rookie carry the load for the entire season. Thats the ticket!

The lack of carries is a direct result of his lack of production in that game.

If you don't get me more than two yards with those seven carries, then we won't even be able to give you more carries.

We get no first downs, that means less carries for LJ. We score no points, and fall behind on the scoreboard, which also means less carries for LJ.

If he can't be prepared for the first 10-15 carries of a game, then he has no business being an NFL HB.

Over the course of his time with The Chiefs, LJ has done countless little things to rub fans the wrong way. He has made enemies of some.

One of the biggest things that he did to lose my respect is when he di get to run behind Roaf, Shields and Richardson, he loved to give-up on outside running plays.

It drove me crazy to see a guy with all of the advantages that tha o-line gave him, throw his arms to his sides, roll his head to the sky, and pout his way out of bounds with any outside running play that was called.

He has always had a bad attitude, and it is not a very likable trait.

How is it that you don't understand how people might dislike him some?

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Those who show up to work win some respect, and those who refuse lose some respect. Along with all of the other little things that have caused me to lose respect for him, he just doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me.



The lack of carries is a direct result of his lack of production in that game.

If you don't get me more than two yards with those seven carries, then we won't even be able to give you more carries.

We get no first downs, that means less carries for LJ. We score no points, and fall behind on the scoreboard, which also means less carries for LJ.

If he can't be prepared for the first 10-15 carries of a game, then he has no business being an NFL HB.

Over the course of his time with The Chiefs, LJ has done countless little things to rub fans the wrong way. He has made enemies of some.

One of the biggest things that he did to lose my respect is when he di get to run behind Roaf, Shields and Richardson, he loved to give-up on outside running plays.

It drove me crazy to see a guy with all of the advantages that tha o-line gave him, throw his arms to his sides, roll his head to the sky, and pout his way out of bounds with any outside running play that was called.

He has always had a bad attitude, and it is not a very likable trait.

How is it that you don't understand how people might dislike him some?
Are you F ing crazy????? I was the one who harped on the fact that when the O LINE PLAYED WELL in the Denver game, LJ dominated!!!!! I don't think he ever gave up on outside running plays, I just don't think he is that type of runner. Wasn't in college either. I can totally see your point about his attitude which I have pointed out about 100 times to Canada however, winning cures a lot of things and if you can't win with a top 3 back in the league, your not going to win at all!

I understand all the blah blah blah about being behind creating less carries but have you ever seen Gore play or LT or R. Brown? Screen passes galore!!!!!!! All starts with the O LINE. Fix it and ALL offensive problems become 75% less than what they are now. Including the running game!

I am VERY consistant when it comes to this guy. Attitude yes. Top 3 back in the NFL,yes which makes him a great player. You make your team better by doing what helps the best players on the team do their job. He is bar far the best RB and second best player on the team! You guys are complaining about a guy who has a little attitude problem because he doesn't get the ball as much as he wants. God forbid we have Ray Lewis that is one if not the best defender in the league on the team. I bet I wouldn't hear anything about his murdering a$$ off the field, just how good he is!!!

Here's one for ya, name your favorite player and I bet there is something out there that he did to a fan or in public that was viewed badly by some that will always consider him a bad person. It happens to everyone that is in the public light at some point.

[chief31]

Are you F ing crazy????? I was the one who harped on the fact that when the O LINE PLAYED WELL in the Denver game, LJ dominated!!!!!

Exactly. "LJ dominated." "LJ had an amazing season in '05"

Either it's LJ dominated then, and now he sucks a**, or LJ was made to look good by the o-line in '05, and now the o-line sucks a**.

When the o-line does well, I hear "LJ, LJ, LJ!" But when the o-line plays poorly, I hear "o-line, o-line, o-line!"

I don't think he ever gave up on outside running plays, I just don't think he is that type of runner.

It sounds like you meant to say that you don't doubt that he gave up up on outside running plays?

But an NFL HB needs to put fourth the effort on every play. At least every play that they give him the opportunity to run it.

That offensive line was designed for sweeps and screens to be effective, and LJ refused to co-operate with the gameplan.

Wasn't in college either. I can totally see your point about his attitude which I have pointed out about 100 times to Canada however, winning cures a lot of things and if you can't win with a top 3 back in the league, your not going to win at all!

I'm not buying the whole "Top-Three Back In The League" thing anyway. I contest that there are a dozen HBs that could have done everything that he has, and more, given matching circumstances.

I understand all the blah blah blah about being behind creating less carries but have you ever seen Gore play or LT or R. Brown? Screen passes galore!!!!!!!

But LJ is not that kind of HB. He only does what he wants to do. Nothing to the outside. Remember?

All starts with the O LINE. Fix it and ALL offensive problems become 75% less than what they are now. Including the running game!

I am VERY consistant when it comes to this guy. Attitude yes. Top 3 back in the NFL,yes which makes him a great player. You make your team better by doing what helps the best players on the team do their job. He is bar far the best RB and second best player on the team! You guys are complaining about a guy who has a little attitude problem because he doesn't get the ball as much as he wants. God forbid we have Ray Lewis that is one if not the best defender in the league on the team. I bet I wouldn't hear anything about his murdering a$$ off the field, just how good he is!!!

Here's one for ya, name your favorite player and I bet there is something out there that he did to a fan or in public that was viewed badly by some that will always consider him a bad person. It happens to everyone that is in the public light at some point.

You're wrong. Not everybody is an a** like that.

And I will name Priest Holmes. Ricky Williams? Brian Waters? Will Shields? Tony Boselli? Damon Huard? Doug Flutie?

Just because some people don't handle the fame well, doesn't mean that you can just label all people with fame as a**es.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

You're wrong. Not everybody is an a** like that.

And I will name Priest Holmes. Ricky Williams? Brian Waters? Will Shields? Tony Boselli? Damon Huard? Doug Flutie?

Just because some people don't handle the fame well, doesn't mean that you can just label all people with fame as a**es.
First of all, I bet you can find some info of an off field issue with all of those guys you just named. Maybe not Shields but the rest, yes.

Second, in that Denver game, I DID say the O Line played well. All RB's produce based on what their O line does. Yes, even Barry Sanders. Which O Line are you referring to that was designed for sweeps? 05 when he posted unbelievable numbers? So then design another one like that!!! Take advantage of what you have!!!!

[m0ef0e]

LJ is better off the toss...

[Drunker Hillbilly]

LJ is better off the toss...
Not according to some because the toss is normally a play that goes to the outside and some think he gave up on those plays.

[chief31]

First of all, I bet you can find some info of an off field issue with all of those guys you just named. Maybe not Shields but the rest, yes.

Second, in that Denver game, I DID say the O Line played well. All RB's produce based on what their O line does. Yes, even Barry Sanders. Which O Line are you referring to that was designed for sweeps? 05 when he posted unbelievable numbers? So then design another one like that!!! Take advantage of what you have!!!!

I am not the one who said...
"name your favorite player and I bet there is something out there that he did to a fan or in public that was viewed badly by some that will always consider him a bad person. It happens to everyone that is in the public light at some point."

You made the challenge. You do the leg-work.:D

But where is all of the 'top-three back in the league' nonsense coming from? It seems that he is only good when the o-line is good. What makes him so much better than the rest?


Not according to some because the toss is normally a play that goes to the outside and some think he gave up on those plays.

There is really no thinking to it. I watched him do it alot when we had the offense to do that. Now, he does better off-tackle, because he told the whole league hat he hated running outside, and they decided to clog the middle. they are giving him something outside, because he doesn't want it.

And he still doesn't do anything outside. He just gets his big gains when he bounces it out there. He is garbage on the toss most of the time. Even with all defenses giving him space out there.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I am not the one who said...
"name your favorite player and I bet there is something out there that he did to a fan or in public that was viewed badly by some that will always consider him a bad person. It happens to everyone that is in the public light at some point."

You made the challenge. You do the leg-work.:D

But where is all of the 'top-three back in the league' nonsense coming from? It seems that he is only good when the o-line is good. What makes him so much better than the rest?



There is really no thinking to it. I watched him do it alot when we had the offense to do that. Now, he does better off-tackle, because he told the whole league hat he hated running outside, and they decided to clog the middle. they are giving him something outside, because he doesn't want it.

And he still doesn't do anything outside. He just gets his big gains when he bounces it out there. He is garbage on the toss most of the time. Even with all defenses giving him space out there.
I absolutely disagree that there are a dozen backs out there that could do what he did when he only played 8 games. Once again, the toss requires O linemen to pull and get out there and block. If you are contesting that there is a back in this leaugue that can run behind this line and have any better numbers that he does right now, I think your mistaken. I think he leads the AFC in yards right now. At least he did before the bye week.

[chief31]

I absolutely disagree that there are a dozen backs out there that could do what he did when he only played 8 games. Once again, the toss requires O linemen to pull and get out there and block. If you are contesting that there is a back in this leaugue that can run behind this line and have any better numbers that he does right now, I think your mistaken. I think he leads the AFC in yards right now. At least he did before the bye week.


He leads the league in rushing. But that is extremely mis-leading, and you know it. You really should quit using that.:D

I am not saying that someone else would be able to do alot better with what we have. But that doesn't make LJ a top-three HB in the league.

And I would bet that someone could do something.

Being able to accomplish nothing, where others could accomplish nothing is nothing.

Barry Sanders worked with some real garbage on his o-line, and never failed to post numbers by the end of a season.

I have zero doubt that Barry would gain 1500 yards with our current o-line, and would have with last seasons o-line. He was especially good at making something from nothing.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

He leads the league in rushing. But that is extremely mis-leading, and you know it. You really should quit using that.:D

I am not saying that someone else would be able to do alot better with what we have. But that doesn't make LJ a top-three HB in the league.

And I would bet that someone could do something.

Being able to accomplish nothing, where others could accomplish nothing is nothing.

Barry Sanders worked with some real garbage on his o-line, and never failed to post numbers by the end of a season.

I have zero doubt that Barry would gain 1500 yards with our current o-line, and would have with last seasons o-line. He was especially good at making something from nothing.
Just like the ole cliche goes. It is what it is! He leads the conference. If there were anything going on up front, it would increase his lead and help the passing game. The O line is almost a cure all. If it is a well functioning unit, most of the time your offensive unit as a whole is functioning well. You know all this. I still have to disagree with anyone could do it though. There are MUCH better O lines in this conference and nobody has his yds. Why?

[chief31]

Just like the ole cliche goes. It is what it is! He leads the conference. If there were anything going on up front, it would increase his lead and help the passing game. The O line is almost a cure all. If it is a well functioning unit, most of the time your offensive unit as a whole is functioning well. You know all this. I still have to disagree with anyone could do it though. There are MUCH better O lines in this conference and nobody has his yds. Why?


Well, because they didn't get to see The Donks on that particular Sunday. And because they aren't on teams that decided to run the ball, when down by double-digits.

LJ has had one big game, and The Donks certainly deserve alot of credit for that. And then he had another 100+ yard game, but that was because The Chiefs gave-up and decided to get LJ his stats, while the Falcons were all-but playing 'prevent'.

Most everyone here knows that I am all about the offensive line. (Actually, both lines.) So you will find it difficult to get me to disagree that LJ would do alot better with a better o-line.

But I feel that most any HB would do well given those circumstances.

I think that LJ is an excellent runner, at times. But that is about the extent of it. He could be a great receiver out of the backfield, but he has yet to do that. He could be an excellent blocker, but he seemingly refuses to do that. He could even be an excellent teammate, but he hasn't done that either.

I would favor keeping him if we did have the o-line to support LJ. But we don't, and even through free agency, building an o-line takes more than one off-season, because it generally takes one year for a group to 'gel'.

After this season, and next, we will have been paying him for three season, as much more than what we will be able to get out of him.

That would be three seasons of paying for Superman, and getting Jimmy Olsen.

And that is assuming that we actually go and make a real push to fix our o-line. I seriously doubt that we will. I have never known a team to have such a glaring need for it, and put so little effort into it, as we did this past off-season. So I wouldn't be surprised to see us pass on the issue this off-season.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Well, because they didn't get to see The Donks on that particular Sunday. And because they aren't on teams that decided to run the ball, when down by double-digits.

LJ has had one big game, and The Donks certainly deserve alot of credit for that. And then he had another 100+ yard game, but that was because The Chiefs gave-up and decided to get LJ his stats, while the Falcons were all-but playing 'prevent'.

Most everyone here knows that I am all about the offensive line. (Actually, both lines.) So you will find it difficult to get me to disagree that LJ would do alot better with a better o-line.

But I feel that most any HB would do well given those circumstances.

I think that LJ is an excellent runner, at times. But that is about the extent of it. He could be a great receiver out of the backfield, but he has yet to do that. He could be an excellent blocker, but he seemingly refuses to do that. He could even be an excellent teammate, but he hasn't done that either.

I would favor keeping him if we did have the o-line to support LJ. But we don't, and even through free agency, building an o-line takes more than one off-season, because it generally takes one year for a group to 'gel'.

After this season, and next, we will have been paying him for three season, as much more than what we will be able to get out of him.

That would be three seasons of paying for Superman, and getting Jimmy Olsen.

And that is assuming that we actually go and make a real push to fix our o-line. I seriously doubt that we will. I have never known a team to have such a glaring need for it, and put so little effort into it, as we did this past off-season. So I wouldn't be surprised to see us pass on the issue this off-season.
I couldn't disagree more about taking more than 1 year to build a line through free agency. I watch thre Az cardinals every week and they have done it. Got rid of L. Davis and brought in 3 new guys and the line is head and shoulders abouve what it was last year. There record shows it. Last year, they lost most games because the O line couldn't block anyone. This year they can. Last year they were one if not the worst team in the red zone. This year they score TD's. It can be done in 1 year.

[chief31]

I couldn't disagree more about taking more than 1 year to build a line through free agency. I watch thre Az cardinals every week and they have done it. Got rid of L. Davis and brought in 3 new guys and the line is head and shoulders abouve what it was last year. There record shows it. Last year, they lost most games because the O line couldn't block anyone. This year they can. Last year they were one if not the worst team in the red zone. This year they score TD's. It can be done in 1 year.

Cardinals did most of that work before '07. That means that it took more than one season.

Plus, they always could pass-block, even with Davis. They haven't changed on offense, except that Warner is in, and Lienart is out.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Cardinals did most of that work before '07. That means that it took more than one season.

Plus, they always could pass-block, even with Davis. They haven't changed on offense, except that Warner is in, and Lienart is out.
3 new full time linemen this year.

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3 new full time linemen this year.


Why don't you ever bother to look these things up on your own?

http://www.nfl.com/players/reginaldwells/profile?id=WEL570156

LG - Reggie Wells - Started all 16 games in '07, and all six in '08.

http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelgandy/profile?id=GAN127935

LT - Mike Gandy - Started all 16 games in '07, and all six in '08.

http://www.nfl.com/players/levibrown/profile?id=BRO548586

RT - Levi Brown - Started 11 games in '07, and all 6 in '08

http://www.nfl.com/players/taitusilutui/profile?id=LUT476816

RG - Deuce Lutui - Started 15 games in '07, and all 6 in '08.

The only change to that line from last season is at Center, where an injury has forced the back-up in.

Seriously, just verify some things before you shoot-off about them. You should know by now, that I will look it up, and bring it directly to you likle this.

Now, doesn't this make you feel a bit like a :joker: ?

:lol: