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bamachum
10-20-2008, 02:14 PM
I hate it for Brodie. I read this forum occasionally over the past two years to get and idea of what Chiefs' fans think about Brodie. As a student at Alabama, I am a huge Croyle fan and seeing him limp of the field yet again made me just sick.

I'll say this, he has the worst luck of any football player I've ever seen. KC has a top offense for years led by the like of Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Gonzalez, Priest, etc. Brodie feel a few years after the curve and it didn't help that Herm was called in and it trying to change the organizational philosophy.

I'll say this, if KC is smart ya'll will take a "chance" on another Alabama product---OT Andre Smith. I don't think that any QB is going to have much success under center, whether its Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, or anyone---until another piece is added to the hapless OL. Draft Andre Smith (or maybe Michael Oher from Ole Miss (a bigger gamble though) and all of a sudden a dismal OL goes to a very good one with him and Waters and Albert at guards.

Also, this might be old news here but apparently Ingle Martin's wife posted on an Alabama board that Brodie was told "he'd probably never be able to play football again...and is devastated."

Either way, I don't see a future for him in KC. My hope is that he'll be able to rehab and will find a place as a back-up for a good team and possibly one day he'll get a chance to play if someone else goes down.

One things for certain, he has an elite arm and that alone got him where he is. He has the ability, just the worst luck I've literally ever seen.

*Note: for anyone of ya'll last say Brodie is a "wuss" or "isn't tough," that is classless garbage. I've seen the guy play through intense pain in Alabama's horrible, Shula-coaches 2003 season where we went through 3 QBs and Shula threw him under the bus in game vs. UGA when the starter went-down he put the injured--not just hurt back in the game only to get his shoulder crushed by Thomas Davis. Croyle has played through some serious pain. His inability to stay on the field in not because of a lack of toughness---that's for sure. He loves the game of football. He was the #1 QB in nation out of high school (despite tearing his ACL in the first quarter of the first game of the year). He torn the other one in 2004, effectively ending Alabama's season. The talent is there and it kills me that he catches so much flack from the media, Chiefs' fans, and even Alabama fans.

Coach
10-20-2008, 02:33 PM
I feel really bad for the kid if he is never able to play football again. This lies solely on Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson. They knew the O-line needed retooled in the off-season. Yet they did absolutely nothing to address it during free agency. Instead, they added a rookie LT who is really a Guard and that was it.

If they felt Brodie was their franchise QB, they should have protected their investment. Instead, they ignored the problem in my opinion. Brodie never even had a shot of having success this year. Every QB we put in there gets hurt. They have no time to run through progressions. Our QB's are running for their lives every passing play. I hope Herm Edwards feels some real guilt over this injury. Because it was more his fault than it was Albert Haynesworth or any of the Titans.

slc chief
10-20-2008, 02:43 PM
I feel really bad for the kid if he is never able to play football again. This lies solely on Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson. They knew the O-line needed retooled in the off-season. Yet they did absolutely nothing to address it during free agency. Instead, they added a rookie LT who is really a Guard and that was it.

If they felt Brodie was their franchise QB, they should have protected their investment. Instead, they ignored the problem in my opinion. Brodie never even had a shot of having success this year. Every QB we put in there gets hurt. They have no time to run through progressions. Our QB's are running for their lives every passing play. I hope Herm Edwards feels some real guilt over this injury. Because it was more his fault than it was Albert Haynesworth or any of the Titans.

amen coach

Sn@keIze
10-20-2008, 02:52 PM
I think Brodie is simply a lemon. Some guys arent meant for the NFL and Croyle is one of them.

Ya our O-line sucks. But Brodie is just too fragile. Did he even make it to the 2nd quarter?

We need to draft a QB with some weight to him.

Seek
10-20-2008, 02:55 PM
I'll say this, if KC is smart ya'll will take a "chance" on another Alabama product---OT Andre Smith. I don't think that any QB is going to have much success under center, whether its Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, or anyone---until another piece is added to the hapless OL. Draft Andre Smith (or maybe Michael Oher from Ole Miss (a bigger gamble though) and all of a sudden a dismal OL goes to a very good one with him and Waters and Albert at guards.


First Waters is a guard so I am guessing it would be Smith and Albert at Tackles.

Second tell me more about Smith. Why did you refer to him as a chance. I don't follow Alabama so I don't know anything about him.

I was really pulling for Brodie. I had hoped he would be the player the coaches saw. Unfortunately he just does not have a big enough fram to take a hit.

The last two injuries he got hurt on, were nothing bone breaking. His body just couldn't handle it. Damon Huard took the same hits and got up, and even took one yesterday that i was surprised he did get up from.

He was playing great yesterday too. I really hope we keep him around to see if he can hang on as a back up.

bamachum
10-20-2008, 03:09 PM
First Waters is a guard so I am guessing it would be Smith and Albert at Tackles.

Second tell me more about Smith. Why did you refer to him as a chance. I don't follow Alabama so I don't know anything about him.

I was really pulling for Brodie. I had hoped he would be the player the coaches saw. Unfortunately he just does not have a big enough fram to take a hit.

The last two injuries he got hurt on, were nothing bone breaking. His body just couldn't handle it. Damon Huard took the same hits and got up, and even took one yesterday that i was surprised he did get up from.

He was playing great yesterday too. I really hope we keep him around to see if he can hang on as a back up.

Yeah, I realize Waters is a guard. I was projecting that if, in fact, an Andre Smith is drafted by KC that Albert would be moved down to Guard, where I've read he is a better fit. Then again, RT could be a possibility.

As for Andre Smith, the "gamble" was meant to be sarcasm. He would be like drafting a Walter Jones, Chris Samuels, or Jonathan Ogden in that we would be a mainstay and figure at LT for a decade. His athleticism for his size 6'4-6'5" and "listed at 330" is incredible. He is simply a freak. Has started from Day 1 as a freshmen and has been essentially dominant in the SEC. He is only a junior.

Michael Oher, of Ole Miss, has the talent and potential but I saw more risky in that he is still very raw, started playing football very late and took a long time to "learn the game." His story is remarkable and you can read a little bit about it. Michael Lewis, the author of "Moneyball," wrote his story in a book called "The Blind Side." You can read more about it if your are interested but he was essentially homeless, before a white upper-class, evangelical Memphis family took him at about 15 and "raised him."

But yes, I hope Brodie rehabs and KC will hold on to him as a backup and maybe as he gets older he can add some weight and possibly contribute in the future, if not in KC, then somewhere. His arm is of the elite-caliber and if players like Kerry Collins, Todd Collins, or Mark Brunell can hang around on roster into their late 30s---then there is no reason for a talent like Croyle to "give it up."

Seek
10-20-2008, 06:27 PM
Yeah, I realize Waters is a guard. I was projecting that if, in fact, an Andre Smith is drafted by KC that Albert would be moved down to Guard, where I've read he is a better fit. Then again, RT could be a possibility. ."

Gotcha... I am pretty sure Albert would be moved to RT. We have holes at every postion on the line except maybe at LT with Albert.

Given your situation Albert and Smith would be the tackles.

chief31
10-21-2008, 03:18 AM
I blame Herm, then Carl above anyone else, for this injury.

Croyle said he wasn't ready, but they forced him in.

Herm has a career of experience with neglecting to protect QBs, and never seems to learn.
CP allowed him to do it here, and now we see the result.

It truly is a shame that Croyle never got a chance to play QB with an NFL offense.

Three7s
10-21-2008, 04:40 AM
I blame Herm, then Carl above anyone else, for this injury.

Croyle said he wasn't ready, but they forced him in.

Herm has a career of experience with neglecting to protect QBs, and never seems to learn.
CP allowed him to do it here, and now we see the result.

It truly is a shame that Croyle never got a chance to play QB with an NFL offense.
No question that he doesn't have the body to survive in the NFL, but I can't say he doesn't have talent. He was making some pretty solid throws in the quarter he played and moved us down the field pretty well. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we keep him and make him backup, or someone else takes him as their backup.

chief31
10-21-2008, 04:49 AM
No question that he doesn't have the body to survive in the NFL, but I can't say he doesn't have talent. He was making some pretty solid throws in the quarter he played and moved us down the field pretty well. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we keep him and make him backup, or someone else takes him as their backup.

I question the part of him not having the body to do it. First, protect him, then I will tell you what I think about it.

He was forced to play injured, and took a solid shot that ended his season. (At least)

Trent Green was a withering willow limb at one time too, but he gave us something to cheer for for a while. Ya just have to protect a QB from taking all of those unforseen hits.

I don't buy that all of Herms QBs are just fragile twigs. I think that Herm refuses to offer any protection for his QBs, and they get hit alot. Then when all the pressure is on to 'stand and deliver', he gets to take those hits without even protecting himself.

Do that alot, and this is the result.

Hayvern
10-21-2008, 11:31 AM
I question the part of him not having the body to do it. First, protect him, then I will tell you what I think about it.

He was forced to play injured, and took a solid shot that ended his season. (At least)

Trent Green was a withering willow limb at one time too, but he gave us something to cheer for for a while. Ya just have to protect a QB from taking all of those unforseen hits.

I don't buy that all of Herms QBs are just fragile twigs. I think that Herm refuses to offer any protection for his QBs, and they get hit alot. Then when all the pressure is on to 'stand and deliver', he gets to take those hits without even protecting himself.

Do that alot, and this is the result.

I agree with the assessment that we still have not seen the best of what Brodie can deliver, but I wonder if he is damaged goods now.

I remember Rick Ankiel in his rookie year as a pitcher and how he never got his head back on straight. I have a feeling that Brodie is in the same position now. After being pounded, he is always going to be looking out for that hit that is going to knock him out of the game.

Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am, but I seriously doubt that we will ever find out in KC.

AkChief49
10-21-2008, 11:54 AM
It was sickening to see him go down again. If he can never play again...that sucks! I was pulling for this kid big time. I hope he can come back and be a back up-they owe him that!!

Drunker Hillbilly
10-21-2008, 11:54 AM
I agree with the assessment that we still have not seen the best of what Brodie can deliver, but I wonder if he is damaged goods now.

I remember Rick Ankiel in his rookie year as a pitcher and how he never got his head back on straight. I have a feeling that Brodie is in the same position now. After being pounded, he is always going to be looking out for that hit that is going to knock him out of the game.

Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am, but I seriously doubt that we will ever find out in KC.
He was done before he started!

Bike
10-21-2008, 10:12 PM
I blame Herm, then Carl above anyone else, for this injury.

Croyle said he wasn't ready, but they forced him in.

Herm has a career of experience with neglecting to protect QBs, and never seems to learn.
CP allowed him to do it here, and now we see the result.

It truly is a shame that Croyle never got a chance to play QB with an NFL offense.
Even with good offensive lines, qb's still get hit, sacked, and tackled. Croyle would had got knocked silly, no matter where he played. He has no size. Croyle is not an NFL qb, so why should he play with an NFL offense?

chief31
10-22-2008, 01:19 AM
Even with good offensive lines, qb's still get hit, sacked, and tackled. Croyle would had got knocked silly, no matter where he played. He has no size. Croyle is not an NFL qb, so why should he play with an NFL offense?

The number of times they get hit makes a big difference. How quickly after the snap they get hit makes a big difference. The amount of resistence that the defender has to slow his momentum makes a big difference. Having the QB start the game in decent health makes a difference.

We offer none of that most of the time.

m0ef0e
10-22-2008, 02:07 PM
I remember when Favre had no line to protect him and he would still stiff-arm giant d-linemen into the dirt on a roll out. You can't blame all of Brodie's shortcomings on the line/lack of running game (which does obviously deserve some). But it doesn't matter if Brodie has the arm of Montana or Marino. If that arm isn't in the game it doesn't do you any good. Plus, he is not aggressive enough at attacking the defense. I'm sorry, I said it last year and now I've no doubt that I was right. Brodie Croyle sucks. I feel bad for him that he's laid-up now, hurt at home-- but that's where he needs to be (minus being hurt).

chief31
10-23-2008, 01:49 AM
I remember when Favre had no line to protect him and he would still stiff-arm giant d-linemen into the dirt on a roll out. You can't blame all of Brodie's shortcomings on the line/lack of running game (which does obviously deserve some). But it doesn't matter if Brodie has the arm of Montana or Marino. If that arm isn't in the game it doesn't do you any good. Plus, he is not aggressive enough at attacking the defense. I'm sorry, I said it last year and now I've no doubt that I was right. Brodie Croyle sucks. I feel bad for him that he's laid-up now, hurt at home-- but that's where he needs to be (minus being hurt).

Favre never played with this offensive line, nor anything all that close to it.

I have zero doubt that Favres streak would have ended by now, had he come here before the season started.

I do blame the poor protection for every fault that Croyle, Huard, Thigpen, Pennington, Feidler, Bollinger, Testeverde, Kingsbury, Carter, and Tupa ever had under Herm.

The funniest thing is... he had some time with Parcells left-overs on the line, before he completely destroyed them.

Until I see a QB play with even 'sub-par' protection, I won't judge them at all. I haven't seen a KC QB play with more than crap protection since '06. (And that was definitely sub-par.)

hardcorechiefsfan
10-23-2008, 05:42 AM
I do feel bad about our pissanting over our QB's, mostly Brodie.
OUr main thing is that we don't have a o-line to keep our QB's healthy. Brodie is out for the season and Huard is too(?) because the chiefs play ball with an
o-line that a peewee football defense could break through. It is just time before Thiggie is hurt. We need a QB as healthy as Tony Gonzalez.
Remember that one season where our guys were so healthy. Its never been like that again, that is sad.

YZILLA
10-23-2008, 05:48 AM
Least Brodie has alot going for him off the field. He does fantastic Charity work and has a Hot wife to boot. Time to go to practice making babies Brodie and enjoy your life . You are more blessed off the field then on and I wish you the best of luck if your NFL career is over.

hardcorechiefsfan
10-23-2008, 06:49 AM
Least Brodie has alot going for him off the field. He does fantastic Charity work and has a Hot wife to boot. Time to go to practice making babies Brodie and enjoy your life . You are more blessed off the field then on and I wish you the best of luck if your NFL career is over.

I agree

Bike
10-23-2008, 08:02 AM
The number of times they get hit makes a big difference. How quickly after the snap they get hit makes a big difference. The amount of resistence that the defender has to slow his momentum makes a big difference. Having the QB start the game in decent health makes a difference.

We offer none of that most of the time.
Yeah but it only takes one with Croyle. He is not an NFL qb. I've said it before. I don't think Croyle is a terrible athlete. I think he'd make an excellent badmitten player...:bananen_smilies046: