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jerhart
11-20-2008, 06:48 PM
Why are some people so quick to give Tyler the title of out back qb of the future? Over the past few weeks he has been one of the top QBs in the league just second in QB rating behind Warner. He is getting in good rhythm with Bowe, Bradley, TG, and Cottam. Only Peyton had thrown for more TD's than Tyler has in the past few games, yet I see people saying, yeah he will be nice to have while we groom a rookie into our franchise QB? I am not saying dont draft a QB...I am just curious what I am missing, what is Tyler lacking which will prohibit him from being our QB of the future? He is still young...and sure he has not won yet, but given the lack of chemistry around him, it is pretty impressive what he has done thus far?

So...what skill does Tyler lack that prohibits him from being our QB of the future?

jmlamerson
11-20-2008, 06:54 PM
Why are some people so quick to give Tyler the title of out back qb of the future? Over the past few weeks he has been one of the top QBs in the league just second in QB rating behind Warner. He is getting in good rhythm with Bowe, Bradley, TG, and Cottam. Only Peyton had thrown for more TD's than Tyler has in the past few games, yet I see people saying, yeah he will be nice to have while we groom a rookie into our franchise QB? I am not saying dont draft a QB...I am just curious what I am missing, what is Tyler lacking which will prohibit him from being our QB of the future? He is still young...and sure he has not won yet, but given the lack of chemistry around him, it is pretty impressive what he has done thus far?

So...what skill does Tyler lack that prohibits him from being our QB of the future?

I'm hesitant to proclaim him the QB of the future until I see him in a real offense. Right now, we're playing in the spread, which is Tyler's strength. Unfortunately, although it's kept us in games, this offense has also hurt us, as we run out of steam in the 2nd half of games on both sides of the ball. We can't run a NFL offense right now because our line is so bad.

Really, I don't see a downside with drafting a QB high (either 1st or 2nd round) and sitting him behind Tyler for a couple years. If Tyler turns out to be the QB of the future, we have the happy accident of two NFL worthy QBs on the roster, and we trade one. If either Tyler or our drafted QB turn out to be a bust or backup at best, then we are covered.

At the very least, we can start Tyler through 2010 (assuming he doesn't start sucking), and sit our rookie for a couple years behind him.

Drunker Hillbilly
11-20-2008, 06:55 PM
You said it yourself.......He still hasn't won a game!!!! That is MY main reason for not giving him the QBOTF title yet. Yes, he has looked good over the last several weeks and I do hope he continue's to do so but the bottom line is wins. He has the potential to go 0 for 11 I think it is. His O line has played better for him, he has the best TE in the league and he has a decent WR to throw to. I realize his running game has been crap but with the tools he has, he needs to win a game or two before I give him the keys to the car!!

jerhart
11-20-2008, 07:06 PM
Ya Im not saying he IS the qbotf....I am just curious why some people are already saying he is not. He has not played a full season and already there are people saying that he is not it.

There also seems to be this assumption that whatever we QB we do end up drafting WILL be the qbotf...Many assuming whoever we draft WILL be the next Matt Ryan. Look how BC did for us....he never completed a full NFL game this season...What if we draft another BC? I say lets not be picky...Minnesota is going to be in need of a QB...wonder if they are regretting their move moving the Thig now?

Drunker Hillbilly
11-20-2008, 07:28 PM
I'm with ya! I was one who said Croyle may have been one of the worst picks in team history!!!!! I think he has earned the right to start the rest of the season obviously but lets see who is available come draft day. It would be tough for me to pass on Harrell or Tebow if either were available. Maybe even Bradford. Not saying they will be the best players in the draft but when you have a team that has NEVER had a young QB with upside potential, when rebuilding it would be tough to pass on either.

Three7s
11-20-2008, 10:48 PM
I'm with ya! I was one who said Croyle may have been one of the worst picks in team history!!!!! I think he has earned the right to start the rest of the season obviously but lets see who is available come draft day. It would be tough for me to pass on Harrell or Tebow if either were available. Maybe even Bradford. Not saying they will be the best players in the draft but when you have a team that has NEVER had a young QB with upside potential, when rebuilding it would be tough to pass on either.
Tebow? Seriously? ROFL! That dude is crap.

Big Daddy Tek
11-20-2008, 11:25 PM
If you draft a QB in the first round (which the Chiefs wont do), you have to pay him first round money. If Thigpen continues to play this good, which I expect him to, then you have a big money guy sitting on the sideline. I think the spread offense is the reason people arent sold on Thiggy. That is not the only time he succeds though. He had 3 first down throws last week behind center, in one of them he stepped up very nicely in the pocket. I love this kid and think that he will be great! With that said. We need to draft a QB in the 2nd or third round next year. Whats funny is that alot of the players that are projected in those rounds play out of the spread.

Chiefster
11-20-2008, 11:53 PM
Why are some people so quick to give Tyler the title of out back qb of the future? Over the past few weeks he has been one of the top QBs in the league just second in QB rating behind Warner. He is getting in good rhythm with Bowe, Bradley, TG, and Cottam. Only Peyton had thrown for more TD's than Tyler has in the past few games, yet I see people saying, yeah he will be nice to have while we groom a rookie into our franchise QB? I am not saying dont draft a QB...I am just curious what I am missing, what is Tyler lacking which will prohibit him from being our QB of the future? He is still young...and sure he has not won yet, but given the lack of chemistry around him, it is pretty impressive what he has done thus far?

So...what skill does Tyler lack that prohibits him from being our QB of the future?

A perfect example of a post best stated in the thread originally calling for Thigpen to be the QBOTF instead of starting a whole new thread in which to debate the exact same subject.

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5918&highlight=Thigpen


That is all.

Darth CarlSatan
11-21-2008, 12:43 AM
If you draft a QB in the first round (which the Chiefs wont do), you have to pay him first round money. If Thigpen continues to play this good, which I expect him to, then you have a big money guy sitting on the sideline. I think the spread offense is the reason people arent sold on Thiggy. That is not the only time he succeds though. He had 3 first down throws last week behind center, in one of them he stepped up very nicely in the pocket. I love this kid and think that he will be great! With that said. We need to draft a QB in the 2nd or third round next year. Whats funny is that alot of the players that are projected in those rounds play out of the spread.That's a good point, BDT. And even better, it opens up a wider range of options for the Chiefs in terms of drafting a QB.
I'm going to say it right now; I have nothing but faith in Chan Gailey. I think he can work damn near any kind of show, with any kind of QB.
I'm still high on Sanchez because no matter where I go online, people will bag on or support Stafford, Bradford, Tebow, or Harrell; but there's never a strong campaign against Mark. Disinterest perhaps, but never straight-up vitriol.
He's got great fundamentals, and the super-hype around his draft competition could possibly put him in perfect placement for the Chiefs in terms money and risk.
But man, we need a Pass-Rush so bad it isn't even funny. If we walked away from this draft with James Laurinaitis (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52943) and Rey Maualuga (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52514), or a combo of Rey Maualuga (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52514) and Brian Orakpo (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36641) at DE, you'd never hear another "Defensive Pitch-a-B*tch" out of my mouth ever again.

And in the case of lines both defensive AND offensive, it's time to start looking at FA; there's no getting around it.

PawnshopMarimba
11-21-2008, 12:55 AM
And in the case of lines both defensive AND offensive, it's time to start looking at FA; there's no getting around it.

Win. Every *great* team is peppered with veterans, and a "youth movement" doesn't mean you can't have SOME good, older players. They can play, and they can TEACH.

We've got the friggin' cap room... we can spend money on one solid player on either side of the line and still have plenty of cash to work with for signing rookies this off-season... and probably still have plenty of money after that. There's no reason not to, really.

And for God's sakes, lets get James Laurinitis. His dad was Road Warrior Animal for crying out loud! :-D

Three7s
11-21-2008, 12:56 AM
That's a good point, BDT. And even better, it opens up a wider range of options for the Chiefs in terms of drafting a QB.
I'm going to say it right now; I have nothing but faith in Chan Gailey. I think he can work damn near any kind of show, with any kind of QB.
I'm still high on Sanchez because no matter where I go online, people will bag on or support Stafford, Bradford, Tebow, or Harrell; but there's never a strong campaign against Mark. Disinterest perhaps, but never straight-up vitriol.
He's got great fundamentals, and the super-hype around his draft competition could possibly put him in perfect placement for the Chiefs in terms money and risk.
But man, we need a Pass-Rush so bad it isn't even funny. If we walked away from this draft with James Laurinaitis (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52943) and Rey Maualuga (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52514), or a combo of Rey Maualuga (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52514) and Brian Orakpo (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=36641) at DE, you'd never hear another "Defensive Pitch-a-B*tch" out of my mouth ever again.

And in the case of lines both defensive AND offensive, it's time to start looking at FA; there's no getting around it.
I think Harrel would be nice for us, and he's projected for the 2nd round, I think. That way, we could get an elite DE with our first pick. We could do even more if we make some trades for some picks.

Darth CarlSatan
11-21-2008, 01:16 AM
Win. Every *great* team is peppered with veterans, and a "youth movement" doesn't mean you can't have SOME good, older players. They can play, and they can TEACH.

We've got the friggin' cap room... we can spend money on one solid player on either side of the line and still have plenty of cash to work with for signing rookies this off-season... and probably still have plenty of money after that. There's no reason not to, really.

And for God's sakes, lets get James Laurinitis. His dad was Road Warrior Animal for crying out loud! :-D

Speaking of which, who's the freak down at Texas Tech getting his "Road Warrior" on? I thought that was pretty bold of him to go out on that field with the Mad Max warpaint on!
We need a character like that sooo bad. You know, a positive kind of character with monster game instead of a rap-sheet?

theaxeeffect4311
11-21-2008, 03:31 AM
And for God's sakes, lets get James Laurinitis. His dad was Road Warrior Animal for crying out loud! :-D

This guy is good. He is always around the ball and gets a lot of tackles. But the best part is that he works well in coverage, a thing the chiefs have hurt in so many years.

I think if we get this guy in the first round, it will solidify the middle of the defense. Then we could get a DE in the second round, or we could always try our luck in free agency.

Heck, maybe we'll get lucky and trade Larry Johnson for a first round to where we get Laurinitis and a DE in the first round.

chief31
11-21-2008, 07:48 AM
This guy is good. He is always around the ball and gets a lot of tackles. But the best part is that he works well in coverage, a thing the chiefs have hurt in so many years.

I think if we get this guy in the first round, it will solidify the middle of the defense. Then we could get a DE in the second round, or we could always try our luck in free agency.

Heck, maybe we'll get lucky and trade Larry Johnson for a first round to where we get Laurinitis and a DE in the first round.

Over the past 8 NFL drafts, The Kansas City Chiefs have drafted 8 Defensive Linemen in the top three rounds.

That's 8 out of 24 (33%, or 1/3, of) 'first-day' picks used on Defensive Linemen.

In the top two rounds, it is even more. (6-14, 36%)

Hell, 5 of our last 8 drafts, we picked a Defensive Lineman with our top pick. (63%)

Meanwhile, over the exact same number of drafts, The Chiefs have drafted one Offensive Lineman with a 'first-day' pick. That is less than half of one percent. (0.42%)

In direct comparison, based on the first three rounds, over the past 8 drafts, we have gone 33% D-Line, to 0.42% O-Line.

And we like the way that has worked, so much, that we are ready to do it some more?

When do we say "No Mas"? "Uncle"? Whatever. Haven't we tried that enough yet?

Can we please just try it the other way?

jmlamerson
11-21-2008, 10:35 AM
This guy is good. He is always around the ball and gets a lot of tackles. But the best part is that he works well in coverage, a thing the chiefs have hurt in so many years.

I think if we get this guy in the first round, it will solidify the middle of the defense. Then we could get a DE in the second round, or we could always try our luck in free agency.

Heck, maybe we'll get lucky and trade Larry Johnson for a first round to where we get Laurinitis and a DE in the first round.

Look no one is trading us anything for LJ. Everyone just needs to stop with that. We're not getting a 1st rounder in 2009. We're not getting a 7th rounder in 2050. We're not getting anything. We're going to have to cut him or keep him.

Darth CarlSatan
11-21-2008, 12:30 PM
This guy is good. He is always around the ball and gets a lot of tackles. But the best part is that he works well in coverage, a thing the chiefs have hurt in so many years.

I think if we get this guy in the first round, it will solidify the middle of the defense. Then we could get a DE in the second round, or we could always try our luck in free agency.

Heck, maybe we'll get lucky and trade Larry Johnson for a first round to where we get Laurinitis and a DE in the first round.

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