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texaschief
12-31-2008, 04:09 AM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/30/chiefs-weigh-options-for-johnson/

From Adam Schefter of NFL.com:

For Kansas City to trade Johnson, it would cost $8.8 million against its salary cap next season. For the Chiefs to keep Johnson, it would cost $8.2 million against the salary cap next season.
So this is their choice trade a player who has said he wants out, or keep the player who could be a detriment in the locker room.
Whoever is the new general manager for the Chiefs will have to weigh whether it is worth auctioning off Johnson to the highest bidder, hoping to get back, at best, a second-round pick and more likely a third-round pick and possibly some other late-round compensation.

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I gotta tell ya, if the Chiefs can get a 2nd and 4th, I'd be good with that. It'd be great if the Chiefs could get something comparable for TGonz if he still wants out. I'd be good with 3 2nd rounders and 3 4th rounders. Imagine how great things could get if we could trade down a few spots from the 3rd pick. We could be talking about at least 4 2nd round picks. That'd be freakin awesome!!

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 04:23 AM
Interesting story. I would be happy just to get a third round. It may seem low, but I do not want him here anymore. So getting anything in return will make it a bonus. I hope the Chiefs get realistic value for Tony G. Tony G is well worth a second round. Getting more picks will be high demand for the Chiefs this season, hopefully another good draft will is all we need.

I point Shefter brought up that I liked was that LJ would only be 8.8 million cap penalty if we traded him. That is great news. Then on top of that, teams will not have to pay LJ any guaranteed money if they trade for him. Therefore, they may be more willing to take on his high cap number. Therefore, they can have him for the next 3-4 seasons until they have to re-sign him (or he complains for a new contract) or drop him when he becomes unproductive.

texaschief
12-31-2008, 04:33 AM
Interesting story. I would be happy just to get a third round. It may seem low, but I do not want him here anymore. So getting anything in return will make it a bonus. I hope the Chiefs get realistic value for Tony G. Tony G is well worth a second round. Getting more picks will be high demand for the Chiefs this season, hopefully another good draft will is all we need.

I point Shefter brought up that I liked was that LJ would only be 8.8 million cap penalty if we traded him. That is great news. Then on top of that, teams will not have to pay LJ any guaranteed money if they trade for him. Therefore, they may be more willing to take on his high cap number. Therefore, they can have him for the next 3-4 seasons until they have to re-sign him (or he complains for a new contract) or drop him when he becomes unproductive.

Yeah, that was encouraging news.

balto
12-31-2008, 11:38 AM
News like this makes me think NY Giants might take a shot at him?

The Giants are gonna loose either Ward or Jacobs for sure. I've read that Jacobs will be able to get more money then Ward SOOO why not resign Ward(fast guy) and not Jacobs(power back) and trade for LJ that will cost them about 13 million less then what Jacobs would?

This would give the Giants exactlky what they need in the running game to continue to make(maybe win) the playoffs for years to come!!!!

Also, (dreaming nerd part of me)

The Chiefs could then sign Jacobs and that would bring in Cowher because he LOVES Big Power Backs(The "BUS") LOL

Jacobs seems to be hurt a lot, but I really do not follow the giants that much so I could be wrong.

But MAN I would love to see Jacobs as a Chiefs.

Maybe the Giants Throw the Franz tag at Jacobs and then we do this trade.

Larry Johnson
Tony Gonzalez

FOR

Brandon Jacobs
Conditional 2nd or 3rd(Tony stays on team for at least 3 years)

OR

LJ
Gonzo

FOR

Giants 1st round pick 2009
Giants 5th round pick 2009
Conditional 3rd (Tony stays for 3 years)

and just sign Jacobs.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-31-2008, 01:59 PM
Why would the Chiefs bring in another power back when they won't fix the line? They want to run a spread offense and need a fast back to the corners to run that.

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 05:38 PM
News like this makes me think NY Giants might take a shot at him?

The Giants are gonna loose either Ward or Jacobs for sure. I've read that Jacobs will be able to get more money then Ward SOOO why not resign Ward(fast guy) and not Jacobs(power back) and trade for LJ that will cost them about 13 million less then what Jacobs would?

This would give the Giants exactlky what they need in the running game to continue to make(maybe win) the playoffs for years to come!!!!

Also, (dreaming nerd part of me)

The Chiefs could then sign Jacobs and that would bring in Cowher because he LOVES Big Power Backs(The "BUS") LOL

Jacobs seems to be hurt a lot, but I really do not follow the giants that much so I could be wrong.

But MAN I would love to see Jacobs as a Chiefs.

Maybe the Giants Throw the Franz tag at Jacobs and then we do this trade.

Larry Johnson
Tony Gonzalez

FOR

Brandon Jacobs
Conditional 2nd or 3rd(Tony stays on team for at least 3 years)

OR

LJ
Gonzo

FOR

Giants 1st round pick 2009
Giants 5th round pick 2009
Conditional 3rd (Tony stays for 3 years)

and just sign Jacobs.

Fun scenario. It would be better than the Chiefs trying to sign Ward because Ward will demand big money since he ran over 1000 yards as a backup. But if he stays on the Giants, he may not ask for as much. So if the Giants wanted to do this, we do it hands down.

Jacobs is a great back. I am surprised how well he catches the ball out of the backfield. He could be a bruiser for us any day.

Hillbilly, the Chiefs will fix the line. This post is just about LJ. Not the draft or FA. As you can see, if we trade LJ, we will receive picks for him, which then can be used on the O-line.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-31-2008, 05:42 PM
Fun scenario. It would be better than the Chiefs trying to sign Ward because Ward will demand big money since he ran over 1000 yards as a backup. But if he stays on the Giants, he may not ask for as much. So if the Giants wanted to do this, we do it hands down.

Jacobs is a great back. I am surprised how well he catches the ball out of the backfield. He could be a bruiser for us any day.

Hillbilly, the Chiefs will fix the line. This post is just about LJ. Not the draft or FA. As you can see, if we trade LJ, we will receive picks for him, which then can be used on the O-line.
Yea I know what the post is about but they have said they were going to fix the O line for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened. What leads you to believe it will change now? The fact that we will have a new GM?

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 05:42 PM
Yea I know what the post is about but they have said they were going to fix the O line for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened. What leads you to believe it will change now? The fact that we will have a new GM?

Yep.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-31-2008, 05:46 PM
Yep.
I just noticed the problem here. You have been a Chiefs fan for only 8 years. I have watched them for the better part of 30+ and have seen a team go from good to pathetic with a bunch of empty promises. Hopefully you won't have to wait that long to see the team turn around.:sign0104:

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 06:02 PM
I just noticed the problem here. You have been a Chiefs fan for only 8 years. I have watched them for the better part of 30+ and have seen a team go from good to pathetic with a bunch of empty promises. Hopefully you won't have to wait that long to see the team turn around.:sign0104:

Please explain why you being a Chiefs' fan for 30+ years makes your word better than mine? Because this is not the Chiefs team from 30 years ago.

Look, we can bad mouth each other all day, but I am here to discuss with other Chiefs' fans. Why do I think the O-line will be fixed? Because when you have a problem, you fix it. It needed to be fixed three years ago, you are correct. The difference between now and then is that Carl is gone and Herm may be on his way out. On top of that, Hunt said he wants to bring in a new GM who is a shrewd evaluator of talent through the draft. That lets me know that a guy who is smart about drafting knows a team needs to build a foundation through the O-line and D-line. What leads you to believe that the Chiefs O-line will continue to be overlooked with a new GM?

Pro_Angler
12-31-2008, 06:04 PM
something we all have to concider is that there wont be too many if any goof FA's willing to come to KC with the turmoil a brewing. all these scenerios sound nice but we have to be some what pesamistic about our situation.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-31-2008, 06:07 PM
something we all have to concider is that there wont be too many if any goof FA's willing to come to KC with the turmoil a brewing. all these scenerios sound nice but we have to be some what pesamistic about our situation.
This could be a true statement and it was all brought on by the fact that they have been unwilling to spend the money to put the needed players on the field to win in the last several years.

jmlamerson
12-31-2008, 06:16 PM
This could be a true statement and it was all brought on by the fact that they have been unwilling to spend the money to put the needed players on the field to win in the last several years.

I finally agree with you.

And it isn't our inability to spend, per se. It's just that we only spend on bad or overhyped players. Herm/Carl gave out some terribly large contracts to Ty Law, Surtain, McIntosh, and Donnie Edwards.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-31-2008, 06:25 PM
I finally agree with you.

And it isn't our inability to spend, per se. It's just that we only spend on bad or overhyped players. Herm/Carl gave out some terribly large contracts to Ty Law, Surtain, McIntosh, and Donnie Edwards.
Yea while they passed on guys like Hutchinson and Faneca the last few years. Maybe the price tag would have been too high but didn't even invite them in to talk is what pisses me off!

jmlamerson
12-31-2008, 07:04 PM
Yea while they passed on guys like Hutchinson and Faneca the last few years. Maybe the price tag would have been too high but didn't even invite them in to talk is what pisses me off!

Hutchinson wasn't a FA per se - he was a restricted free agents whose contract wasn't matched by Seattle.

I agree about Faneca - he was my #1 FA I wanted for the Chiefs.

Big Daddy Tek
12-31-2008, 07:10 PM
Hutchinson wasn't a FA per se - he was a restricted free agents whose contract wasn't matched by Seattle.

I agree about Faneca - he was my #1 FA I wanted for the Chiefs.

Well JM, we might get a second chance this year to take another good Steeler lineman in Marvel Smith. I dont think they looked at Faneca because he's 32, but then again Marvel is 29, so who knows. I think they might reach out more this offseason though. The only knock on Marvel is that he's been pretty dinged up lately. The only thing would stop us from getting Smith is A: he re-signs with Pitt or B: We draft a tackle, which would leave a hole at guard, which in the long run would mean that your want for Faneca was right all along.

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 07:14 PM
Well JM, we might get a second chance this year to take another good Steeler lineman in Marvel Smith. I dont think they looked at Faneca because he's 32, but then again Marvel is 29, so who knows. I think they might reach out more this offseason though. The only knock on Marvel is that he's been pretty dinged up lately. The only thing would stop us from getting Smith is A: he re-signs with Pitt or B: We draft a tackle, which would leave a hole at guard, which in the long run would mean that your want for Faneca was right all along.

Yeah, Smith does not look like the same player this season, but it could be because of injuries this season. However, as a linemen he has at least 4-5 years left in him.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-31-2008, 08:56 PM
Hutchinson wasn't a FA per se - he was a restricted free agents whose contract wasn't matched by Seattle.

I agree about Faneca - he was my #1 FA I wanted for the Chiefs.
We didn't even get into the race!!!!

jmlamerson
01-02-2009, 02:19 PM
Well JM, we might get a second chance this year to take another good Steeler lineman in Marvel Smith. I dont think they looked at Faneca because he's 32, but then again Marvel is 29, so who knows. I think they might reach out more this offseason though. The only knock on Marvel is that he's been pretty dinged up lately. The only thing would stop us from getting Smith is A: he re-signs with Pitt or B: We draft a tackle, which would leave a hole at guard, which in the long run would mean that your want for Faneca was right all along.

Marvel would be pretty perfect along our line. I agree, his injuries might be a problem, but drafting him would allow us to put a good RT out there (either move him or Albert to RT) instead of a rookie. We would have then the luxury of McIntosh as a reserve, plus we could draft and groom someone in the late rounds.

Big Daddy Tek
01-03-2009, 12:59 AM
Marvel would be pretty perfect along our line. I agree, his injuries might be a problem, but drafting him would allow us to put a good RT out there (either move him or Albert to RT) instead of a rookie. We would have then the luxury of McIntosh as a reserve, plus we could draft and groom someone in the late rounds.

Sounds good to me. Oh yeah, were not the GM's. nevermind.

tornadospotter
01-03-2009, 01:12 AM
Seeing that LJ options is the topic of this thread!
I think we need to have a good old fashion auction,
YouTube - Leroy Vandyke-The Auctioneer Song

:D :11:

theaxeeffect4311
01-03-2009, 01:17 AM
Seeing that LJ options is the topic of this thread!
I think we need to have a good old fashion auction,
YouTube - Leroy Vandyke-The Auctioneer Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gblxAoWKsmE)

:D :11:


Do I hear a second round? maybe add a fifth?