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texaschief
12-31-2008, 08:22 PM
THIS YEAR'S CROP, is a MUCH deeper group of free agents than the 2008 group. Of the positions the Chiefs will look to fill, these are the top (YOUNG) players at their position who will be available:

OT
Jordan Gross 28- Panthers
Willie Colon 26- Pittsburgh
Kahlif Barnes 27- Jacksonville
Vernon Carey 27- Miami
Maxx Starks 26- Pittsburgh
Charles Spencer 27- Jacksonville

OG
Stacy Andrews 27- Cincinatti
Jarhi Evans 25- New Orleans
Mark Setterstrom 24- St. Louis
Chris Kemoeatu 28- Pittsburgh

C
Jason Brown 26- Baltimore
Richie Incognito 26- St. Louis

DT
Albert Haynesworth 28- Tennessee
Javon Haye 27- Tampa Bay
Tank Johnson 27- Dallas

DE
Terrell Suggs 27- Baltimore
Julius Peppers 28- Carolina
Chris Canty 27- Dallas
Kenechi Udeze 26- Minnesota

OLB
Bart Scott 28- Baltimore
Karlos Dansby 27- Arizona
Michael Boley 27- Atlanta
Leroy Hill 26- Seattle
Angelo Crowell 28- Buffalo

MLB
Jonathan Vilma 26- New Orleans
Channing Crowder 25- Miami

S
Oshiomogho Atogwe 27- St. Louis
Sean Jones 27- Cleveland
Dawan Landry 26- Baltimore
Jarrad Page 26- Kansas City (Currently ranked equal to Landry, Jones, Will Allen Darren Sharper and Rodney Harrison)... according to scout.com
Will Allen 27- Tampa Bay

CB
Nnamdi Asomugha 28- Oakland

I'm much more excited about the 2009 class than what the 2008 class had to offer.

If I'm the GM and I can get ANYONE I want, I proceed through free agency this way:

As of 1/1/09
RT- Willie Colon
RG- Jahri Evans
DE- Terrell Suggs
OLB- Bart Scott OR Karlos Vilma
MLB- Jonathan Vilma

With the first two picks in the draft (assuming we can't trade down) the Chiefs take:
3- WR- Michael Crabtree OR CB Malcom Jenkins
35- C Alex Mack OR C Max Unger

OL
Albert
Waters
Mack/Unger
Jahri Evans
Willie Colon

WR
Crabtree
Bowe
Bradley

DL
Hali
Tank
Dorsey
Suggs

LB
Johnson
Vilma
Scott/Dansby

CB
Flowers
Carr

S
Pollard
Page/Morgan

Coach
12-31-2008, 08:31 PM
I like the way your defense would shape up. I also find interesting that you would move Bowe to the #2 spot behind a rookie. Bowe does have slippery hands.

texaschief
12-31-2008, 08:38 PM
I like the way your defense would shape up. I also find interesting that you would move Bowe to the #2 spot behind a rookie. Bowe does have slippery hands.

I've just watched Crabtree too much this season. He catches anything in the same zip code. He really is a #1 WR. I think that might help Bowe out as well. I think he puts too much pressure on himself and may not be ready to be a true #1. He wasn't a true #1 at LSU either. Crabtree is an unbelievable talent and not only could he fill a hole, but he might also be the best player available at #3. WRs are just as big of a risk as QBs, but IMO, at only a sophomore, Crabtree could be the most complete WR to come out in years. I think he's a can't miss prospect. I view him as just as safe as any OT that could be taken at #3.

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 08:41 PM
I like Suggs and Vilma. Great combo to boost the defense. I am not so sure on OLB since I am thinking that the Chiefs might benefit choosing Curry in the first round. Up to the Combine I guess. I also like Vernon Carey at RT more than Colon, even though Carey is a little older. Carey, to me, brings more stability. I do not trust anyone from the Steelers line this season.
But I totally agree with Mack in the second round, especially if we go defense first round.

I would like Page back, but if we can get Landry (I think Baltimore will re-sign him), then I am up in the air as to who is better. I know Landry played SS for Baltimore, but has the range to play FS, at least in my eyes.

Main priority though should be Suggs and Vilma.

texaschief
12-31-2008, 08:44 PM
I like Suggs and Vilma. Great combo to boost the defense. I am not so sure on OLB since I am thinking that the Chiefs might benefit choosing Curry in the first round. Up to the Combine I guess. I also like Vernon Carey at RT more than Colon, even though Carey is a little older. Carey, to me, brings more stability. I do not trust anyone from the Steelers line this season.
But I totally agree with Mack in the second round, especially if we go defense first round.

I would like Page back, but if we can get Landry (I think Baltimore will re-sign him), then I am up in the air as to who is better. I know Landry played SS for Baltimore, but has the range to play FS, at least in my eyes.

Main priority though should be Suggs and Vilma.

As long as the Chiefs have the cap room, I think they should fill as many holes as possible with the exception of two which could be filled with the first two picks in the draft. Really, any combo would work so long as we can take a WR, OT or OLB with the 3rd pick. I'm afraid if we complete the O-line (at least in the eyes of the front office) that it would convince them to take a QB with the #3 pick. That REALLY has me nervous.

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 08:47 PM
As long as the Chiefs have the cap room, I think they should fill as many holes as possible with the exception of two which could be filled with the first two picks in the draft. Really, any combo would work so long as we can take a WR, OT or OLB with the 3rd pick. I'm afraid if we complete the O-line (at least in the eyes of the front office) that it would convince them to take a QB with the #3 pick. That REALLY has me nervous.

True, but we will get a better picture once we see the new GM. However, I think many of those linemen will not be available since most teams do not let go of good linemen.

texaschief
12-31-2008, 08:52 PM
True, but we will get a better picture once we see the new GM. However, I think many of those linemen will not be available since most teams do not let go of good linemen.

its hard to know what to REALLY want. :lol:

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 08:56 PM
its hard to know what to REALLY want. :lol:

Here's to hoping that Clark will pick the perfect candidate, (enter name here).

Big Daddy Tek
12-31-2008, 09:11 PM
I dont think Suggs fits guys. I might be wrong, but their is no way he could play end in a 4-3 and he has never soley played a true Linebacker position. Teams usually dont aquire guys that dont fit the system (especially Herm.) I dont think we touch him. I would actually love to have Karlos Dansby. Hes a leader.

theaxeeffect4311
12-31-2008, 09:35 PM
I dont think Suggs fits guys. I might be wrong, but their is no way he could play end in a 4-3 and he has never soley played a true Linebacker position. Teams usually dont aquire guys that dont fit the system (especially Herm.) I dont think we touch him. I would actually love to have Karlos Dansby. Hes a leader.

Dansby is good, but Vilma is an overall better ILB. If Dansby can play outside, then yeah, we'll take him.

While Suggs could be a risk, it is one that could really pay off. We can offer him more money at DE than at OLB hybrid. He played DE in college and plays sometimes with his hand down for the Ravens. He is 6'3" at 260 lbs, which makes him ideal for the RDE pass rusher. He has a high motor and brings intensity to the field. So I'm willing to take a risk on him. If not him, then it may be Julius Peppers, but he'll be 29 next season.

Big Daddy Tek
12-31-2008, 11:38 PM
Dansby is good, but Vilma is an overall better ILB. If Dansby can play outside, then yeah, we'll take him.

While Suggs could be a risk, it is one that could really pay off. We can offer him more money at DE than at OLB hybrid. He played DE in college and plays sometimes with his hand down for the Ravens. He is 6'3" at 260 lbs, which makes him ideal for the RDE pass rusher. He has a high motor and brings intensity to the field. So I'm willing to take a risk on him. If not him, then it may be Julius Peppers, but he'll be 29 next season.

Yeah, Vilma's a better tackler than Dansby, but Dansby is a better pass rusher. He hasnt had less than 4 sacks his entire career, which is pretty good for a LB. Vilma can play all 3 positions though, so he's probably better all around. I think Dansby would be alot cheaper though. I also like Vilmas coverage skills.

Coach
12-31-2008, 11:45 PM
I dont think Suggs fits guys. I might be wrong, but their is no way he could play end in a 4-3 and he has never soley played a true Linebacker position. Teams usually dont aquire guys that dont fit the system (especially Herm.) I dont think we touch him. I would actually love to have Karlos Dansby. Hes a leader.
I've considered that as well. Kind of like Kendrell Bell. In Pitt's 3-4, he looked great. In KC's 4-3, he looked like a complete waste of cap space.

Of course the wildcard is the coach. Cowher will want to run a 3-4 if we hire him.

Big Daddy Tek
12-31-2008, 11:51 PM
I've considered that as well. Kind of like Kendrell Bell. In Pitt's 3-4, he looked great. In KC's 4-3, he looked like a complete waste of cap space.

Of course the wildcard is the coach. Cowher will want to run a 3-4 if we hire him.

I dont know if we have the personell to run a 3-4 right away coach. Well, I guess if these coaches really want to do it they make it happen, it just usually takes a few years to develop and I think we are all done with that "next year" crap. On the other hand, if its Cowher I'll probably take that.

chief31
01-01-2009, 01:27 AM
Yeah, Vilma's a better tackler than Dansby, but Dansby is a better pass rusher. He hasnt had less than 4 sacks his entire career, which is pretty good for a LB. Vilma can play all 3 positions though, so he's probably better all around. I think Dansby would be alot cheaper though. I also like Vilmas coverage skills.

That was extremely confusing. It was like watching a very fast tennis volley. :D


I dont know if we have the personell to run a 3-4 right away coach. Well, I guess if these coaches really want to do it they make it happen, it just usually takes a few years to develop and I think we are all done with that "next year" crap. On the other hand, if its Cowher I'll probably take that.

What he h*** has gotten into you? Have you been getting full of holiday cheer and eggnog?

:lol:

I believe that we do, with one good LB, have the personnel to run the 3-4. As long as Tank or Dorsey can handle the NT spot.

Hali and Turk would make excellent 3-4 DEs. They were always "'tweeners" anyway. And our lack of a pass-rushing DE is ideal for a 3-4.

Make no doubt, Cowhers 3-4 makes LBs look a whole lot better than they might be elsewhere.

But Cowher is still just a pipe dream.

texaschief
01-01-2009, 04:45 AM
If the Chiefs could grab Bart Scott, that would allow them to perhaps grab the best MLB in the draft to complete the LB corp.

Chiefster
01-01-2009, 11:11 AM
...Not gonna happen; Clark will continue to build through the draft.

Big Daddy Tek
01-01-2009, 01:46 PM
That was extremely confusing. It was like watching a very fast tennis volley. :D



What he h*** has gotten into you? Have you been getting full of holiday cheer and eggnog?

:lol:

I believe that we do, with one good LB, have the personnel to run the 3-4. As long as Tank or Dorsey can handle the NT spot.

Hali and Turk would make excellent 3-4 DEs. They were always "'tweeners" anyway. And our lack of a pass-rushing DE is ideal for a 3-4.

Make no doubt, Cowhers 3-4 makes LBs look a whole lot better than they might be elsewhere.

But Cowher is still just a pipe dream.

:toast2:


If the Chiefs could grab Bart Scott, that would allow them to perhaps grab the best MLB in the draft to complete the LB corp.

Oh yeah, Bart Scott is a beast! If we get your guy from Baltimore, for the GM spot, we would have to be getting, Ray, Bart, or Terrell, you would think. In the big picture, Their is just way too many LB's in free agency for us to not snag one.

theaxeeffect4311
01-01-2009, 03:46 PM
If the Chiefs could grab Bart Scott, that would allow them to perhaps grab the best MLB in the draft to complete the LB corp.

With how old Ray is, I kind of doubt that the Ravens will let Scott go. They need him to keep some consistency at the ILB position. I do think we have a chance at Suggs, but that is because Suggs may want money and that is something we can offer.