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Chuck
01-03-2009, 06:54 PM
If you are, you are seeing how a first round, true NFL quarterback operates and not the kind the Cheifs have. This guy is a player and its what the Chiefs need if we are to be successful.
All of you Thigpen lovers need to get over settling for medicrity and we need to either draft or go after a franchise QB that will be with us for a while.

jerhart
01-03-2009, 07:01 PM
If you are, you are seeing how a first round, true NFL quarterback operates and not the kind the Cheifs have. This guy is a player and its what the Chiefs need if we are to be successful.
All of you Thigpen lovers need to get over settling for medicrity and we need to either draft or go after a franchise QB that will be with us for a while.

...did you see our defense play? Thigpen and our offense showed that they are capable of throwing 20-30 points up a game. With an average defense...that should win you more than 2 games. I know a lot of people are going to disagree, but our D needs all the help they can get.

Did our D really control any games this season?
Does Thigpen have trouble gettin the ball in the endzone?

Canada
01-03-2009, 07:12 PM
If you are, you are seeing how a first round, true NFL quarterback operates and not the kind the Cheifs have. This guy is a player and its what the Chiefs need if we are to be successful.
All of you Thigpen lovers need to get over settling for medicrity and we need to either draft or go after a franchise QB that will be with us for a while.

How are we supposed to take your input on a QB seriously when you favorite player is Lynn Dawson?

jerhart
01-03-2009, 07:14 PM
...dont forget that Thigpen was our 3rd starting qb this season. He was just thrown in and everyone said goodluck! I think with a good offseason and training camp he can improve. So many people wanted to give BCroyle chance after chance after chance to prove himself, and I feel many people have made their minds up with Thigpen already after half a season.

How are Matt Lienhart and Vince Young doing? How about Alex Smith? Ryan Leaf was awesome! So was Chris Weinke, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch....and you can't forget Akili Smith! See where I am going with this? Yes there are a handful of first round QB's that pan out. But many people see Matt Ryan this season and jump to conclusions. I think you can be successful drafting a QB in later rounds....Tom Brady.

QB is not a priority on this team.

texaschief
01-03-2009, 07:40 PM
:sign0094: :sign0149: :sign0013: :wasntme:

jerhart
01-03-2009, 07:53 PM
....one more thing.


Trent Dilfer. Brad Johnson.

Let's focus on our D. :sign0098:

Vandelay
01-03-2009, 08:13 PM
That celebration on the safety was halarious.:lol: :lol: :lol:

greg3564
01-03-2009, 08:26 PM
If you are, you are seeing how a first round, true NFL quarterback operates and not the kind the Cheifs have. This guy is a player and its what the Chiefs need if we are to be successful.
All of you Thigpen lovers need to get over settling for medicrity and we need to either draft or go after a franchise QB that will be with us for a while.

The last thing we need is to burn up a high draft pick on a QB. Work with Thigpen for at least another season and reevaluate. But the defense sucks. I mean really, really, really sucks. Our offense ranked 24th this year. Our defense ranked 31st, right above the Lions. And as others have said, the offense was doing okay the last half of the season. The defense was sliding backwards.

KottkeKU
01-03-2009, 09:46 PM
actually matt ryan looked really bad in the playoffs....i watched it.

And the previous poster is right....you can go on and on with 1st round QB busts....even lately with Losman, Alex Smith, and possibly even Jamarcus Russell...then you can look at guys like Tom Brady, one of the best ever, wasnt even a top 5 round pick....No need to spend a top 3 overall on a QB when our Defense is this bad...

texaschief
01-03-2009, 10:46 PM
By the same token, at pick #3, there just aren't those big defensive players who could be worth that #3 pick. If we can't trade down, the only options for the Chiefs would be LT or QB. I think it really just depends on too many variables that have to occur over the next 5 months to accurately predict what's going to happen right now. But quite honestly, unless you take a LT, there really is no other option for the Chiefs at pick #3 other than a QB if you want to maximize the value of the pick.

That being said, the Chiefs would have to spend a boat load of money on the line in young free agents to fortify the line so that your $80 million investment isn't completely destroyed. I just don't see that happening. So, LT is the only logical choice at #3.

yashi
01-04-2009, 12:34 AM
By the same token, at pick #3, there just aren't those big defensive players who could be worth that #3 pick. If we can't trade down, the only options for the Chiefs would be LT or QB. I think it really just depends on too many variables that have to occur over the next 5 months to accurately predict what's going to happen right now. But quite honestly, unless you take a LT, there really is no other option for the Chiefs at pick #3 other than a QB if you want to maximize the value of the pick.

That being said, the Chiefs would have to spend a boat load of money on the line in young free agents to fortify the line so that your $80 million investment isn't completely destroyed. I just don't see that happening. So, LT is the only logical choice at #3.

I think people here are really undervaluing Orakpo. Here are some sites that have him very high, the 2nd, 4th, and 6th best prospect respectively.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/top_100_prospects.htm
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/

Maybe he's not Mario Williams or Julius Peppers, but I don't think it would be a huge reach to take him at 3. I'd still rather have Oher, Smith, or Monroe but I would certainly be OK with Orakpo too. Definitely want to avoid QB since I think both Bradford and Stafford have high bust potential.

Ryan had a great year, but Atlanta's running game also opened things up for him a lot.

windwalker
01-04-2009, 08:28 AM
If you are, you are seeing how a first round, true NFL quarterback operates and not the kind the Cheifs have. This guy is a player and its what the Chiefs need if we are to be successful.
All of you Thigpen lovers need to get over settling for medicrity and we need to either draft or go after a franchise QB that will be with us for a while.

oh yeah..

26 out of 40 199 yds
2 TD and 2 ints
72.8 rating...

Stick with Thigpen..

Three7s
01-04-2009, 08:30 AM
oh yeah..

26 out of 40 199 yds
2 TD and 2 ints
72.8 rating...

Stick with Thigpen..
Those stats are almost EXACTLY like Thigpen's every day game.

Chuck
01-04-2009, 10:55 AM
Ummmmmmm........you are forgetting one thing. Ryan was in the playoffs making those kinds of numbers, Thigpen was home watching TV. Big difference.

Chuck
01-04-2009, 11:03 AM
[quote=Canada;111316]How are we supposed to take your input on a QB seriously when you favorite player is Lynn Dawson?[/quote

Ok, Ok, so I spelled it wrong. Big deal. I would still take him back if he was just younger.

I agree with all of you about the D. Its bad and has some things that need fixing. We have many things that need fixing. Hell, who really knows where to start.
I have coached high school football for many years. ( I have 3 state championship rings) 2 things I have learned from that.
1. Yes, defense wins championships

2. You have to have a very, very good QB to lead your offense and I believe it is even more important in the pro's.

jerhart
01-04-2009, 12:00 PM
[quote=Canada;111316]How are we supposed to take your input on a QB seriously when you favorite player is Lynn Dawson?[/quote



2. You have to have a very, very good QB to lead your offense and I believe it is even more important in the pro's.

If you are talking high school...

...do you know who Darren Sproles is? ;)


...I graduated with Darren from Olathe North class of '01. We won state every year we had Darren in the backfield. Although they were my friends...we never had a 'very very good' quarterback. We had a good D. And a solid running game. :sign0098: North won the Kansas 6A championship 4 out of 5 years with this formula.

A team just needs a QB who can move the ball down the field and allow your D to rest.

How did the 3 time MVP Peyton Manning do last night? I mean he IS 'very very good'....right? :sign0098:

Chuck
01-04-2009, 01:11 PM
Talking high school: I coached QB's at Platte County when we won state championships in 00, 01, 02. Had all state QB's all 3 years. I am totally aware of what Olathe North did during that time frame. I know Coach Weir. Our defense was awesome in the times as was our offense. Just a difference in philosophy of 2 extremely good high school programs.
As far as Peyton Manning goes - Let me see I do believe he has a this huge ring on his finger that Philip Rivers doesn't or for that matter none of our present day Chiefs have.
Oh yeah, Sproles is in the last year of his contract. Any chance the Chiefs getting him to come back to KC.?