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Big Daddy Tek
01-07-2009, 02:22 AM
Between New York’s Steve Spagnuolo, Tennessee’s Jim Schwartz, New England’s Josh McDaniels (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3540591), Dallas’ Jason Garrett (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=1751267) and Baltimore’s Rex Ryan, there are plenty of young NFL coordinators with skins on the wall who will draw interest from teams with head coaching openings this offseason. But for my money (or Hunt’s as the case may be), the Chiefs could hit a home run by hiring an older ex-coordinator who also has some significant skins on the wall: Mike Shanahan.

Do you recoil in horror, Chiefs fans? Does the thought of Shanahan, a thorn in KC’s side for over a decade, pacing the sidelines at Arrowhead Stadium make you nauseous? Are you ready to call into 810 and whine about chop-blocking and jerseys covered in cooking spray?

Why?

If you can get past your division-rivalry bias, you might come to realize just exactly what I did when the Denver Broncos surprisingly axed their longtime head coach last week – Mike Shanahan is exactly what the Kansas City Chiefs need. It couldn’t be a more perfect fit.

Ask yourself one question: What has been the most frustrating part of watching Chiefs games under Herm Edwards’ guidance the past three years? You can point to clock management, the endless torrent of field goals or wacky press-conference antics all you want, but nothing has been more frustrating than watching Larry Johnson dive headfirst into a sea of red and white rear ends in a vain effort to run the football.

Herm arrived in Kansas City and has essentially wasted three years of Johnson’s prime by refusing to invest in the appropriate offensive line talent. Had the Chiefs gone after the right free agents or drafted any linemen with a prayer of starting, we probably wouldn’t be talking about replacing Edwards right now.

It’s proven fact that when Edwards has a 1,000-yard rusher, his teams make the playoffs. When Herm has the benefit of a ground game, the rest of his approach to winning football games falls perfectly into place. We shouldn’t be surprised the Chiefs won six games the last two years, because the head coach couldn’t even lay the bedrock of his NFL philosophy.

When you’re blessed with an in-his-prime playmaker as Johnson was when Edwards arrived in Kansas City, you have to do everything to help that talent flourish. You don’t go out and sign Kyle Turley to replace Willie Roaf (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2475254), and you certainly don’t waste time with stiffs like Jordan Black (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3783426), Kevin Sampson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2394919), Damion McIntosh (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698866) or John Welbourn. Nor do you waste time on project fullbacks, especially when you just dumped Tony Richardson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3991509).

You do those things, and it’s not surprising when your 1,789-yard running back gets shut down in the playoffs against the Colts. You do those things, and it’s not surprising when his average dips to 3.5 yards per carry the following season. You do those things, and it’s not surprising when he carries seven times for two yards in a shutout loss in your third year.

It’s also not surprising when all that happens and your running back becomes as frustrated as the fan base, threatens team chemistry in the locker room, and gets into trouble off the field.

But we’re focusing way too much on the past, and not nearly enough on the future. The point is, with Shanahan coaching the Chiefs, the exact opposite happens. No team runs the football like a Mike Shanahan team.

Over the last 10 years, the Broncos ranked in the top 10 in rushing offense eight times. That’s significant because they did it without a consistent feature back. Olandis Gary (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=1157362), Mike Anderson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2981643), Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3672485), Tatum Bell, Travis Henry, Selvin Young (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3689975), take your pick. All experienced success in Shanahan’s zone-blocking, cutback scheme.

Furthermore, the way Shanahan built and reassembled Denver’s offensive line over the last 10+ years is almost unparalleled in any other franchise. The Broncos won Super Bowls and embarrassed Gunther Cunningham’s defenses with Gary Zimmerman, Mark Schlereth, Tom Nalen, Brian Habib and Tony Jones. Five years later Clinton Portis was embarrassing Greg Robinson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3814249)’s defenses behind Ephraim Salaam (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3661749), Ben Hamilton (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3689940), Nalen, Dan Neil (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=1153385) and Matt Lepsis (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2983738).

This year, Jay Cutler (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3689930) embarrassed Cunningham and Edwards behind Ryan Clady (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3908936), Hamilton, Casey Wiegmann (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980188) (Shanahan turns KC trash into Mile High treasure), Chris Kuper (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2983703) and Ryan Harris (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3689941). The Broncos allowed the fewest sacks per pass this season despite the fact their defense often forced them to play catchup.

Do you understand what happens if Larry Johnson and Mike Shanahan combine forces? It’s quite possible Johnson’s twilight years could be some of his finest. Larry proved he can still play at a high level this season. No one is worried about his foot. With Shanahan, the Chiefs could actually get their money’s worth out of LJ's $45 million contract.

Yes, Larry wants out of Kansas City and Shanahan rid himself of Portis before he split into multiple personalities. It doesn’t matter. Johnson’s attitude does a 180 when he’s being used properly and flourishing in a successful offense. Shanahan will have to live with Larry’s anchor-like contract and probably realizes his running game was never quite as lethal without an elite talent like Portis.

Of course there’s more to Shanahan than just ridiculous success with running games. At his heart, as a former offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, Shanahan is a quarterback guru.

It’s probably not coincidence that Steve Young finally won a Super Bowl after he hooked up with Shanahan. The same can be said for John Elway, who curiously seemed to either go to the Super Bowl or simply win it when Shanahan was his quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach.

Do we really need to recount what Shanahan did for Jake Plummer, now an All-Pro handball player? The Snake never had it so good. Last but not least, recognize that Shanahan was smart enough to let the Titans and Cardinals waste picks on Vince Young (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3671252) and Matt Leinart (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628891) three years ago before he pulled off a ridiculous trade to move up and take Cutler, who now compares himself to John Elway if the mood strikes.

When you put it all together, you get a coach who knows the running game like nobody’s business, clearly something the Chiefs desperately need. You also get a coach who can identify, select, develop and manage franchise quarterbacks at a high level, clearly something the Chiefs need.

Did I mention Shanahan has winning records against Bill Belichick, Bill Cowher and Jeff Fisher?

Now, it’s not all perfect. Obviously Shanahan can’t pick a defensive coordinator to save his life, and his personnel blunderings on defense are embarrassing. Shanahan was at least partially fired in Denver because he wanted to hold on to Bob Slowik as defensive coordinator, but his real undoing may have been his dual role as Broncos Head Coach and Executive Vice President of Football Operations. Shanahan had absolute power, and it absolutely destroyed Denver’s defense.

That may not be a problem in Kansas City. Per an NFL source, Shanahan has made it known through “third-party channels” that he’s interested in the Chiefs’ job but would not require total control of football operations as he did in Denver. Can you imagine the perfect pairing of Shanahan and a general manager who could pluck the right defensive talent from the draft, while assisting in the search for the right defensive coordinator?

Throw in an owner who doesn’t meddle, a hungry fanbase who may have developed a dislike for Shanahan but could surely learn to love him (just remember that Gunther Cunningham was once a Raider), and the youngest roster in the league, and you may begin to get delusions of grandeur.

So, are you still recoiling in horror from the thought of Shanahan wearing a red jacket, or are you beginning to see the possibilities?

Three7s
01-07-2009, 04:17 AM
Nice read, actually, I was thinking about the possibility of Shanahan, then it just seemed too unreal that a guy that I could never stand because he was always with the Broncos would be wearing red. Yeah, still unreal.

brish
01-07-2009, 06:57 AM
I hate the donks! But this actually makes sense.. *SHOCK AND AWE!*

chief31
01-07-2009, 08:45 AM
I don't really hate The Broncos. I just hate Shanahan. He is the worst scum that I know of having coached in The NFL over the past twenty years.

Specifically coaching the art of career-ending cheap-shots just doesn't sit well with me.

Three7s
01-07-2009, 08:47 AM
I don't really hate The Broncos. I just hate Shanahan. He is the worst scum that I know of having coached in The NFL over the past twenty years.

Specifically coaching the art of career-ending cheap-shots just doesn't sit well with me.
I'll never forgive that hit on Priest Holmes. That ruined him forever.

jtandcrew
01-07-2009, 08:56 AM
If its offered to him you know he will take it! So be ready for the possibility! You never know, he might be the 1 to get done what Peterson couldnt! Also, yes i dont like him either especially since he was the donks coach and i have family that went into mourning when he got fired the same way they did when horseface john retired!

Pro_Angler
01-07-2009, 09:00 AM
it would never ever hapen and if so i am no longer a chiefs fan

Chiefstillidie
01-07-2009, 01:40 PM
id love to have shannahan over the idiot we have coaching now anyday!

balto
01-07-2009, 01:53 PM
The funny part about this all is if Shanahan has bad blood with Denver now he could really screw them over.

If Shanahan doesn't coach the Broncos would have to pay him 7 mil for the next three years.

BUT here is the kicker. If he coaches for another team he could sign for a smaller contract and the Broncos would have to make up the difference LOL.

SO he could sign a 3 year contract and get paid say 1 mil a year so a total of 3 million dollars, BUT the Broncos would have to pick up the rest of his tab for those three years.

SO chiefs would pay 1 and Denver would pay 6 = 7 million for the next three years.

Could you imagine how funny it would be for him to come here and us only paying him 1 million or so and then we kick the crap out of the Broncos while they are still paying him 6 million to do it HAHAHAHAHA

MAN that would be the funnest **** ever.

Seeing the Broncos pay to get there butts kicks :)

OF course at the end of the 3 year contract we resign him for what he is worth, but still getting 3 year for pretty much free and everyoen knowing it would be INSANE!!!!!

dkennedy2323
01-07-2009, 02:20 PM
Does anyone know what Pioli thinks of Shanahan? Seems like that would be a good combination, and perhaps the two most likely seperate choices - but how likely together??

KottkeKU
01-07-2009, 02:51 PM
nice post big daddy tek....i seemed to forget how ridiculous larry could have been with an offensive line with more than 2 people who were capable of playing against quality nfl defenses...i was so focused on our defense, as was herm i believe...but you gotta sign some FA's to bolster that line, cmon...

and priest's career ending hit was against merriman of the chargers, not the broncos if im not mistaken....

but i HATE shanahan, and also could not be a chiefs fan if he were to be coach/gm/...i could maybe handle him as a coordinator position since he is smart...i just think he is a lousy person

Chiefster
01-07-2009, 03:20 PM
nice post big daddy tek....i seemed to forget how ridiculous larry could have been with an offensive line with more than 2 people who were capable of playing against quality nfl defenses...i was so focused on our defense, as was herm i believe...but you gotta sign some FA's to bolster that line, cmon...

and priest's career ending hit was against merriman of the chargers, not the broncos if im not mistaken....

but i HATE shanahan, and also could not be a chiefs fan if he were to be coach/gm/...i could maybe handle him as a coordinator position since he is smart...i just think he is a lousy person

I'll be Chiefs fan no matter who's the coach.

tornadospotter
01-07-2009, 03:23 PM
I'll be Chiefs fan no matter who's the coach.
Same here, but it would be odd seeing horse face in Chiefs Gear.

Chiefster
01-07-2009, 03:26 PM
Same here, but it would be odd seeing horse face in Chiefs Gear.

Yeah, I never ever really got used to seeing Niel Smith adorn a donky uni.

Vandelay
01-07-2009, 03:49 PM
Same here, but it would be odd seeing horse face in Chiefs Gear.
Shannahan is rat face. Elway is horse face.:lol: But i will be a chiefs fan no matter who the coach is, even if it's still herm.

Chiefster
01-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Shannahan is rat face. Elway is horse face.:lol: But i will be a chiefs fan no matter who the coach is, even if it's still herm.

Yep, same here; although an unhappy one.

Chiefstillidie
01-07-2009, 04:41 PM
Yep, same here; although an unhappy one.


same here but i'll be a very disgruntled one though...unless of course the slim chance that herm would actually have a winning team then i'd be happy..but so far he has done little to prove he has the team back in the winning direction!

m0ef0e
01-07-2009, 04:44 PM
The funny part about this all is if Shanahan has bad blood with Denver now he could really screw them over.

If Shanahan doesn't coach the Broncos would have to pay him 7 mil for the next three years.

BUT here is the kicker. If he coaches for another team he could sign for a smaller contract and the Broncos would have to make up the difference LOL.

SO he could sign a 3 year contract and get paid say 1 mil a year so a total of 3 million dollars, BUT the Broncos would have to pick up the rest of his tab for those three years.

SO chiefs would pay 1 and Denver would pay 6 = 7 million for the next three years.

Could you imagine how funny it would be for him to come here and us only paying him 1 million or so and then we kick the crap out of the Broncos while they are still paying him 6 million to do it HAHAHAHAHA

MAN that would be the funnest **** ever.

Seeing the Broncos pay to get there butts kicks :)

OF course at the end of the 3 year contract we resign him for what he is worth, but still getting 3 year for pretty much free and everyoen knowing it would be INSANE!!!!!

I find this scenario hilarious! :lol:

Chief Buck Rogers
01-07-2009, 08:57 PM
Read this (http://www.chiefswarpath.com/news/2009/01/01/dont-hire-mike-shanahan-an-open-letter-to-clark-hunt/) before you guys get too high on the Rat, not to be confused with Coach K of Duke

Sn@keIze
01-07-2009, 09:43 PM
I dont care if Shanahan is scum or not.

Hes a winner and a good coach.

And a winner is what we need.

Guru
01-08-2009, 06:38 AM
Never gonna happen.

Seek
01-08-2009, 01:35 PM
At first I really liked the idea of hiring Shanarat, but after thinking about it over the week. I don't think it is a good fit. I mean yeah he has made it to the play offs, but he really hasn't done anything since Elway left.

He has kind of kept the Status Quo, which got him fired. There is a certain sense of arragonce that I hated with Shanarat that I don't really want in KC.

I mean he is not a clear and cut super star coach that will make this team a dominant team for years to come. Those types of coaches are still out there to be discovered. I wan't to discover our own coach. I don't want a retreaded player who used to playing the game a certain way. The game is changing, I want a coach with new ideas.

jmlamerson
01-08-2009, 01:44 PM
At first I really liked the idea of hiring Shanarat, but after thinking about it over the week. I don't think it is a good fit. I mean yeah he has made it to the play offs, but he really hasn't done anything since Elway left.

He has kind of kept the Status Quo, which got him fired. There is a certain sense of arragonce that I hated with Shanarat that I don't really want in KC.

I mean he is not a clear and cut super star coach that will make this team a dominant team for years to come. Those types of coaches are still out there to be discovered. I wan't to discover our own coach. I don't want a retreaded player who used to playing the game a certain way. The game is changing, I want a coach with new ideas.

I agree that there are better options, but I think you're dismissing Shanahan's post-Elway years a bit. He was in the AFC Championship game with Jake Plummer as his QB. He went 91-69 (.569%) post-Elway. He groomed Jay Cutler into a very good QB and the Broncos have a good young offense. His defense was a mess, and he made mistakes as a GM, but his good outweighed his bad.

Frankly, I'm thrilled the Broncos were dumb enough to fire him.

Seek
01-08-2009, 02:03 PM
I agree that there are better options, but I think you're dismissing Shanahan's post-Elway years a bit. He was in the AFC Championship game with Jake Plummer as his QB. He went 91-69 (.569%) post-Elway. He groomed Jay Cutler into a very good QB and the Broncos have a good young offense. His defense was a mess, and he made mistakes as a GM, but his good outweighed his bad.

Frankly, I'm thrilled the Broncos were dumb enough to fire him.

I am not dismissing it. He is a dang good coach and I am also glad the Donkies were dumb enough to fire him.

While they do have a good offense and he groomed an arrognant Prick of a Qb, he has made mistakes which has prevented the donkies from winning consistently.

jmlamerson
01-08-2009, 02:18 PM
I am not dismissing it. He is a dang good coach and I am also glad the Donkies were dumb enough to fire him.

While they do have a good offense and he groomed an arrognant Prick of a Qb, he has made mistakes which has prevented the donkies from winning consistently.

Fair enough.

Think about it. The Chargers are constantly underachieving and LT looks done. The Donks just fired Shanahan. And the Raiders are just a mess. And the Chiefs are going to massively build the team this offseason with a decent coach and some good FAs.

The AFC West looks ripe for the plucking in 2009. And who knows how far we can go in 2010.

Big Daddy Tek
01-08-2009, 02:48 PM
As The Drunk Fan Is Getting Escorted Out Of Arrowhead: Bring In Shanny-han! Yea

Chiefstillidie
01-08-2009, 11:17 PM
As The Drunk Fan Is Getting Escorted Out Of Arrowhead: Bring In Shanny-han! Yea


See even you agree that your beloved herm will be fired...make up your mind there buddy!

Big Daddy Tek
01-08-2009, 11:33 PM
See even you agree that your beloved herm will be fired...make up your mind there buddy!

Your lost dude. I never said it was Herm or bust for me. If in the event, that Herm gets fired, I would love for the Shanny to come aboard.

Chiefstillidie
01-08-2009, 11:36 PM
Your lost dude. I never said it was Herm or bust for me. If in the event, that Herm gets fired, I would love for the Shanny to come aboard.

i'm not lost i'm just making you eat your words and you have no response because you suck at debating! If you weren't a supporter of herm then stop debating with me and let it die..i could do this all day with you!

Big Daddy Tek
01-08-2009, 11:37 PM
i'm not lost i'm just making you eat your words and you have no response because you suck at debating! If you weren't a supporter of herm then stop debating with me and let it die..i could do this all day with you!

That was "no response?" I thought that I answered your question fair and square and I think everybody else would agree.

Chiefstillidie
01-08-2009, 11:39 PM
That was "no response?" I thought that I answered your question fair and square and I think everybody else would agree.


lol...herm still sucks dude!

hardcorechiefsfan
01-09-2009, 11:19 PM
I've always liked Shanahan except when the broncos played the chiefs at Mile High stadium. I would l would love him as HC for the chiefs.

greg3564
01-09-2009, 11:34 PM
Pioli as GM and Shanahan as Head Coach? I could deal with that. Anything but another year of Herm Edwards and his 8 year .422 winning percentage. Or his 3 year .313 winning percentage as a Chief.

Coach
01-10-2009, 12:22 AM
it would never ever hapen and if so i am no longer a chiefs fan

I'll be a chiefs fan regardless of the coach.



Frankly, I'm thrilled the Broncos were dumb enough to fire him.
Me too.


Fair enough.

Think about it. The Chargers are constantly underachieving and LT looks done. The Donks just fired Shanahan. And the Raiders are just a mess. And the Chiefs are going to massively build the team this offseason with a decent coach and some good FAs.

The AFC West looks ripe for the plucking in 2009. And who knows how far we can go in 2010.

Completely agree. I am in favor of any coach that can get us to the superbowl. I think a lot of fans might feel differently about Shanahan if he turned this team into a contender.

I'm not Shanahan's number one fan because of the blocking schemes he uses, but there is no doubt that he can out coach anyone on our roster...And the AFC West for that matter. Norv Turner is a joke.

All that said, I'd be extremely shocked if Shanahan went somewhere within the division. I don't think Clark Hunt would want him anyway.

Chiefster
01-10-2009, 12:29 AM
I'll be a chiefs fan regardless of the coach.


Me too.



Completely agree. I am in favor of any coach that can get us to the superbowl. I think a lot of fans might feel differently about Shanahan if he turned this team into a contender.

I'm not Shanahan's number one fan because of the blocking schemes he uses, but there is no doubt that he can out coach anyone on our roster...And the AFC West for that matter. Norv Turner is a joke.

All that said, I'd be extremely shocked if Shanahan went somewhere within the division. I don't think Clark Hunt would want him anyway.

I don't know, I think Clark would want whoever he thought could build a contender.