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dbolan
01-15-2009, 02:42 PM
There is a fundamental difference in approach to this process. Build properply and maintenance regularly. Actually, the need to rebuild should not exist when managed and coached properly.

The prime example is the comaprison between the Chiefs and the Patriots organizations.

Over the past 8 years, when did the Patriots rebuild? Never, is the correct answer.

Simply put, they manage and coach their team personnel in a manner that allows a competitent replacement to be readily prepared upon attrition.

They never totally overhaul a team. Exclaimed key players leave...Okay...They already have someone that can step in and replace them OR they have the cash to sign a FA, like Randy Moss. They do a great job of late round drafting and developing.

Pioli will implement that mentality into the Cheifs organization which will vastly improve their fundamentals in "business management." Thus, netting long term, continued success.

A down year should be at worse...8-8.

Ye shall see....:beer:

texaschief
01-15-2009, 03:15 PM
The Patriots traded for Randy Moss, actually. (A fourth rounder I believe)

dbolan
01-15-2009, 03:25 PM
The Patriots traded for Randy Moss, actually. (A fourth rounder I believe)
Okay...Point still made! LOL!

leaves
01-15-2009, 03:55 PM
Idk about 8-8, maybe lower than that but I will agree with you that Pioli will help our team establishment. Honestly its too bad Herm's such a bad field coach cuz with his rookie development and Pioli's organization development, the Chiefs could be a very successful team.

josh1971
01-15-2009, 04:41 PM
Well, Herm hasn't been fired yet, and maybe his ability to draft well and develop rookies is what Piloli will like about him. Hard to say, but maybe Pioli will look at is as needing some different support coaches around Herm. We don't really know, and won't until Pioli makes some moves.

But I'd like to see us *at least* double our sack output from this year, which was a major failing. A more attack-style defense would be exciting to watch, and disruptive to opponents. Our "lay down and die" style from this year didn't really work.

It will be fun to see, next year. I think this off season is also going to be pretty exciting for us as chiefs fans, both in free agency and the draft.

jb

chiefnut
01-15-2009, 05:19 PM
did you ever wonder why we haven't had to rebuild before herm got here? as i mentioned in another post, the worst season we had in the pre-herm era was 6-10 in DV's first season, Martys' worst was 7-9, Gun was fired for having a 7-9 season after his 9-6. yet herm goes from 9-7 to 4-12 to 2-12 so the excuse is the CHIEFS are rebuilding. i guess when your mediocre it's bad coaching, when you're mired in the bottom of the league it's just rebuilding.

Bike
01-15-2009, 05:54 PM
If Herm is still here in 48 hours I would rethink Piolis' ability to build a perennial powerhouse in KC.

Chief Tyler
01-15-2009, 06:09 PM
If Herm is still here in 48 hours I would rethink Piolis' ability to build a perennial powerhouse in KC.

I wouldn't say that, he's new to the organization, and I like how he has said that he is going to really get to know the organization before he makes any big changes. There is still a lot of time to evaluate the team thoroughly and make a decision, it shouldn't be rushed. I don't want to see herm pacing the sidelines anymore than anybody else but it just seems to me that a couple days isn't enough time for him to immerse himself in KC.

Bike
01-15-2009, 06:22 PM
He has lost 23 of last 25 games. Thats all he really needs to know...

AkChief49
01-16-2009, 05:27 AM
did you ever wonder why we haven't had to rebuild before herm got here? as i mentioned in another post, the worst season we had in the pre-herm era was 6-10 in DV's first season, Martys' worst was 7-9, Gun was fired for having a 7-9 season after his 9-6. yet herm goes from 9-7 to 4-12 to 2-12 so the excuse is the CHIEFS are rebuilding. i guess when your mediocre it's bad coaching, when you're mired in the bottom of the league it's just rebuilding.
are you talking the Peterson era only? because '77 was 2-12 ,'78 was 4-12 and '87 4-11 and '88 was 4-11-1 just asking

chiefnut
01-16-2009, 08:41 AM
are you talking the Peterson era only? because '77 was 2-12 ,'78 was 4-12 and '87 4-11 and '88 was 4-11-1 just asking


yeah, i figured it was the last 20 years with the same GM seemed to be an apples to apples comparison, the [2] 4-11 seasons were ganze which got him fired and carl hired as gm

jmlamerson
01-16-2009, 10:59 AM
There is a fundamental difference in approach to this process. Build properply and maintenance regularly. Actually, the need to rebuild should not exist when managed and coached properly.

The prime example is the comaprison between the Chiefs and the Patriots organizations.

Over the past 8 years, when did the Patriots rebuild? Never, is the correct answer.

Simply put, they manage and coach their team personnel in a manner that allows a competitent replacement to be readily prepared upon attrition.

They never totally overhaul a team. Exclaimed key players leave...Okay...They already have someone that can step in and replace them OR they have the cash to sign a FA, like Randy Moss. They do a great job of late round drafting and developing.

Pioli will implement that mentality into the Cheifs organization which will vastly improve their fundamentals in "business management." Thus, netting long term, continued success.

A down year should be at worse...8-8.

Ye shall see....:beer:

The Pats first Super Bowl team was made up of 11 free agents starters. They built the team in the 2000 offseason using cheap free agents. They kept the team on top with good drafts, select FAs, and savvy trades.

This, by the way, is exactly what I expect Pioli to do. A massive FA binge this offseason, and good drafts and selected FAs to keep us on top.

We're thankfully going to abandon the asinine strategy of trying to fill our teams needs with a bunch of low draft picks like was the 2007-2008 plan.

dbolan
01-21-2009, 09:48 AM
The Pats first Super Bowl team was made up of 11 free agents starters. They built the team in the 2000 offseason using cheap free agents. They kept the team on top with good drafts, select FAs, and savvy trades.

This, by the way, is exactly what I expect Pioli to do. A massive FA binge this offseason, and good drafts and selected FAs to keep us on top.

We're thankfully going to abandon the asinine strategy of trying to fill our teams needs with a bunch of low draft picks like was the 2007-2008 plan.

Yep... I agree. When the Pats won their first SB with 11 FA starters, that was the last of any "total overhaul", if you can even say that.

The teams that start over or have a low score in talent evaluations and/or have poor coaches stay at the bottom rung. Even if you are "average" in all three aspects, you will be better than 2-14!! LMAO!

chiefnut
01-21-2009, 01:33 PM
if you check our current roster you'll find 53 new players aquired since 2006, only 12 have been around longer, including injured reserve. that's not a rebuilding, it's a razing .

hometeam
01-21-2009, 08:46 PM
if you check our current roster you'll find 53 new players aquired since 2006, only 12 have been around longer, including injured reserve. that's not a rebuilding, it's a razing .


:iamwithstupid: I agree with this. its one thing to be in a rebuilding mode, but another to throw away everything.