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okikcfan
01-19-2009, 04:52 AM
The Chiefs had a horrible record last year but they were privileged enough to own the third overall selection in the upcoming NFL draft.
I will be putting on the general manager hat for the next half an hour and will point out who I would like the Chiefs to select in the first four rounds of the draft. I'm sorry if you do not agree with who I select, but it's only an article so get over it.
So sit back relax and enjoy.

Round 1
Scott Pioli would love to trade down and accumulate picks at this spot, but I don't think he will be able to. Nobody at this point wants to trade up to pay millions of dollars when they can stay where they are and get a solid athlete. So with all of that being said, the Chiefs will select Mark Sanchez, quarterback from USC.
Yes, I know you guys think Tyler Thigpen is the next Tom Brady but I just don't see it. Mark Sanchez looks to be a solid fit for the Chiefs here, and I expect him to shine brightly. The knock on Sanchez has been "lack of experience", but going 28-of-35 for 413 yards and four touchdowns versus Penn State in the Rose Bowl pretty much shut down those concerns.


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Alright, Pioli has addressed the quarterback issue, now he needs to move to the defensive side of the ball. The Chiefs need major help at the linebacker spot, so I think with the 34th overall pick, the Kansas City will select outside linebacker Brian Cushing, also from USC.
No, I'm not a USC fan. Cushing is a great pick for the Chiefs and he would be a solid outside linebacker when the Chiefs switch to the 3-4 defense. Cushing is a great coverage linebacker and I can't wait to see him in a Chiefs uniform.
Round 3
The Chiefs have had a good draft so far, but there are still many positions that could be addressed with the 67th pick in the '09 draft. And the third round selection for Kansas City, the Chiefs select Jonathon Luigs, center from Arkansas.
Luigs provides good size for the center of the Chiefs' line, weighing 314 pounds. He could eventually be the starting center this year. His competition will be Rudy Niswanger, so right now nobody knows.
Round 4
This pick is a little tougher, but after looking at the prospects, I believe the Chiefs will select Jaison Williams, the wide receiver from Oregon. Williams is a HUGE receiver. He is 6'5" and weighs 240 pounds.
He had some injuries in the '08 season and that is why I think he will fall to the fourth round. Williams could be the number three receiver come week one.

I H8 Every Team But KC
01-19-2009, 09:01 AM
The Chiefs had a horrible record last year but they were privileged enough to own the third overall selection in the upcoming NFL draft.
I will be putting on the general manager hat for the next half an hour and will point out who I would like the Chiefs to select in the first four rounds of the draft. I'm sorry if you do not agree with who I select, but it's only an article so get over it.
So sit back relax and enjoy.

Round 1
Scott Pioli would love to trade down and accumulate picks at this spot, but I don't think he will be able to. Nobody at this point wants to trade up to pay millions of dollars when they can stay where they are and get a solid athlete. So with all of that being said, the Chiefs will select Mark Sanchez, quarterback from USC.
Yes, I know you guys think Tyler Thigpen is the next Tom Brady but I just don't see it. Mark Sanchez looks to be a solid fit for the Chiefs here, and I expect him to shine brightly. The knock on Sanchez has been "lack of experience", but going 28-of-35 for 413 yards and four touchdowns versus Penn State in the Rose Bowl pretty much shut down those concerns.


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Alright, Pioli has addressed the quarterback issue, now he needs to move to the defensive side of the ball. The Chiefs need major help at the linebacker spot, so I think with the 34th overall pick, the Kansas City will select outside linebacker Brian Cushing, also from USC.
No, I'm not a USC fan. Cushing is a great pick for the Chiefs and he would be a solid outside linebacker when the Chiefs switch to the 3-4 defense. Cushing is a great coverage linebacker and I can't wait to see him in a Chiefs uniform.
Round 3
The Chiefs have had a good draft so far, but there are still many positions that could be addressed with the 67th pick in the '09 draft. And the third round selection for Kansas City, the Chiefs select Jonathon Luigs, center from Arkansas.
Luigs provides good size for the center of the Chiefs' line, weighing 314 pounds. He could eventually be the starting center this year. His competition will be Rudy Niswanger, so right now nobody knows.
Round 4
This pick is a little tougher, but after looking at the prospects, I believe the Chiefs will select Jaison Williams, the wide receiver from Oregon. Williams is a HUGE receiver. He is 6'5" and weighs 240 pounds.
He had some injuries in the '08 season and that is why I think he will fall to the fourth round. Williams could be the number three receiver come week one.


I think I speak for several on here when I say that Pioli isn't going to take a QB at #3...he never has taken a QB early.

That being said I enjoy reading people's mock drafts so keep them coming :)

debearzz
01-19-2009, 10:05 AM
Sure, Pioli has never taken a quarterback early, but, in New England, he had Tom Brady. They never needed to draft a QB. I think it comes down to whether we get a new HC. Herm did not groom Croyle very well, and Herm has a lot of confidence in Thigpen.

brish
01-19-2009, 10:20 AM
I think I speak for several on here when I say that Pioli isn't going to take a QB at #3...he never has taken a QB early.

That being said I enjoy reading people's mock drafts so keep them coming :)

Agreed! Keep em' comming. :)

balto
01-19-2009, 10:37 AM
If we can not trade down and Pioli MUST get his QB with our 3rd overall..... This would be a GREAT way for the Draft to go GOOD JOB.

ALSO: It's been said MANY MANY times around here that Pioli will not and has never drafted a QB in early rounds, BUT Pioli has an eye for talent and if he feels Stafford OR Sanchez are gonna be the next Manning then please by all means take them. The main reason Pioli never took a QB in the Early rounds is because of this.

When they drafted Brady they had a Pro Bowler in Bledso
When they drafted Cassel they had a Pro Bowler in Brady.

As you can see we honestly have no clue what Pioli will do about the QB spot since Pioli HIMSELF has never had to worry about drafting a QB based on NEED. So I think its honestly a better chance then a lot of people think they he takes a QB in round 1 or 2.

Myself I hope he does not!!!!!! I will tell you I really do not think Thigpen is our QOTF and honestly Thiggy is not that great of a QB when you watch him in person. That being said I feel that we can use Pioli's talent for QB's and snag one in the later rounds and hav ehim be at least equal if not better then Thiggy. THEN if Thiggy or our drafted QB do not pan out we can use our first round pick in next years draft (WAAAAAY better QB draft class) to solve our problem.

WHO KNOWS maybe Pioli and Croyle will hit it off and he sticks with him hehehe. If Pioli stays with Herm I say he also needs to stay with either Thigpen OR Croyle and worry about a QB when Cowher comes to town next year.

HMMMM Jaison Williams is known for his bad hands and actually got benched this season. He is projected to go in round 7, because he is slow and doesn't have the best hands in the world. Maybe he will get drafted as a TE.

My mock would go like this (If we get NO FA's)

1) Rey Maualuga MLB (I think he is better then Curry and besides I think Rey and Curry are the only DE/LB's that are NFL ready)

2) Alex Mack C OR Duke Robinson G (I honestly think one of these guys will be here)

3) Larry English DE (Should be the steal of the draft. Not sure he drops to this spots, but I'm guessing he will be a little slower then some of the other DE's and will drop a couple of spots.)

4) I think we either take our QB here or the best OLine guy still on the board.

hometeam
01-19-2009, 11:32 AM
Maualuga is a solid pick for our first I think, but until free agency starts hitting, and the combine, you can never tell what will happen~

KristofLaw
01-19-2009, 11:40 AM
I've still got the Baltimore/Pitt game going through my head here, anyway... how about Taylor Mays *USC*? I know the safety spots aren't our most pressing concerns, but it would be great to have a Polomalu/Reed caliber guy back there for the next 5-?x? years.

Pro_Angler
01-19-2009, 12:14 PM
wow and pass on crabtree?? that would be kinda stupid.

balto
01-19-2009, 12:21 PM
Wanna hear something funny????

If you can think back to 2003 when Troy Polamalu was drafted.

The Chiefs had the 16th overall pick in 2003 and the Steelers had the 27th overall pick.

The Chiefs traded down and took LJ and Steelers took Polamalu at 16 hehehehe.

SOOOOOOOOOOO

Troy Polamalu
FOR
Larry Johnson
Julian Battle (in CFL now hehe)


So pretty much Polamalu for LJ HEHEHEHe

Funny ****

KristofLaw
01-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Wanna hear something funny????

If you can think back to 2003 when Troy Polamalu was drafted.

The Chiefs had the 16th overall pick in 2003 and the Steelers had the 27th overall pick.

The Chiefs traded down and took LJ and Steelers took Polamalu at 16 hehehehe.

SOOOOOOOOOOO

Troy Polamalu
FOR
Larry Johnson
Julian Battle (in CFL now hehe)


So pretty much Polamalu for LJ HEHEHEHe

Funny ****That's not funny... that's sick.

chiefnut
01-19-2009, 02:55 PM
here is who the pats have chosen in the 1st round in the last 20 years
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville_Cardinals_football)
1988 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_NFL_Draft)17John Stephens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stephens_(American_football))RBNorthwestern State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_State_University)
1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NFL_Draft)16Hart Lee Dykes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Lee_Dykes)WROklahoma State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_State_Cowboys_football)
1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_NFL_Draft)8Chris Singleton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Singleton_(American_football))LB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker)Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Wildcats_football)[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-20)10Ray Agnew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Agnew)DENC State[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-21)
1991 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NFL_Draft)11Pat Harlow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Harlow)OTUSC[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-22)14Leonard Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Russell)RBArizona State[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-23)
1992 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NFL_Draft)13Eugene Chung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Chung)OTVirginia Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Hokies_football)[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-24)
1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NFL_Draft)1Drew Bledsoe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Bledsoe)QBWashington State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_Cougars_football)
1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_NFL_Draft)4Willie McGinest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McGinest)DEUSC
1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NFL_Draft)23Ty Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Law)CBMichigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Wolverines_football)
1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NFL_Draft)7Terry Glenn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Glenn)WROhio State
1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NFL_Draft)29Chris Canty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Canty_(defensive_back))CBKansas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_State_Wildcats_football)
1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NFL_Draft)18Robert Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edwards_(running_back))RBGeorgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Bulldogs_football)[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-25)22Tebucky Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tebucky_Jones)CBSyracuse
1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NFL_Draft)17Damien Woody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Woody)CBoston College[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-26)28Andy Katzenmoyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Katzenmoyer)LBOhio State[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-27)
2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_Draft)No first-round draft pick
[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-28)2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NFL_Draft)6Richard Seymour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Seymour)DTGeorgia
2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_Draft)21Daniel Graham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Graham)TEColorado[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-29)
2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft)13Ty Warren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Warren)DTTexas A&M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_Aggies_football)[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-30)
2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft)21Vince Wilfork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Wilfork)DTMiami (FL)[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-31)32Benjamin Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Watson)TEGeorgia
2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft)32Logan Mankins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Mankins)OGFresno State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_State_Bulldogs_football)
2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft)21Laurence Maroney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Maroney)RBMinnesota (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Golden_Gophers_football)
2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NFL_Draft)24Brandon Meriweather (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Meriweather)SMiami (FL)[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-32)
2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft)10Jerod Mayo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerod_Mayo)LBTennessee[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_first-round_draft_picks#cite_note-33)

the last QB they took in the 1st round was bledsoe

balto
01-19-2009, 03:03 PM
So it tells me they do not take a QB in the first round UNLESS they need one and believe the guy will be a Pro-Bowler. So I guess it comes down to whether or not Pioli thinks Stafford or Sanchez is the next Tom Brady. If so I think he will take one of them.

MAN I hope the Chiefs wait till next year to get our QB

Pro_Angler
01-19-2009, 03:35 PM
dont forget that Pioli already mentioned in his press conferese that he has already went through draft meeting with NE so he has a pretty good idea on who is who comming out and have good info on who the pats are looking at as well.

leaves
01-19-2009, 07:50 PM
it's absolutely ridiculuous to draft a 1st round, franchise qb for a team with a coach who won't be there after the fact.

theaxeeffect4311
01-19-2009, 10:57 PM
If the Chiefs draft a QB with the first round pick, they'll need to use at least three other picks to complete the O-line. The Chiefs cannot expect to grab the franchise QB and then let him get pummeled through an entire season.

Coach
01-19-2009, 11:01 PM
The Chiefs will go defense with the their 1st rd pick IMO. They were leading in a lot of the games they played last year. They were leading LATE in a lot of the games last year. They just couldn't stop anybody.

How many times did the Chiefs need a stop late in the game but let the other team march right down the field for the win?

Let me phrase it another way.
Do the Chiefs win more games last year with:
A. franchise QB,
B. Star LT
C: Defensive End/LB who could put pressure/sack the qb.

Scoring was much less than of an issue than our defense and specifically the pass rush. If this team had a pass rush, they probably win at least half of those games that we were leading in the 4th quarter. This team has to go LB or DE with their 1st pick. I just don't see anyway around it other than spending some big bucks in free agency. Hopefully they can trade down.

Coach
01-19-2009, 11:08 PM
The Chiefs will go defense with the their 1st rd pick IMO. They were leading in a lot of the games they played last year. They were leading LATE in a lot of the games last year. They just couldn't stop anybody.

How many times did the Chiefs need a stop late in the game but let the other team march right down the field for the win?

Let me phrase it another way.
Do the Chiefs win more games last year with:
A. franchise QB,
B. Star LT
C: Defensive End/LB who could put pressure/sack the qb.

Scoring was much less than of an issue than our defense and specifically the pass rush. If this team had a pass rush, they probably win at least half of those games that we were leading in the 4th quarter. This team has to go LB or DE with their 1st pick. I just don't see anyway around it other than spending some big bucks in free agency. Hopefully they can trade down.

Great post! This "Coach" guy knows his stuff!!!!!!

Hayvern
01-20-2009, 02:22 AM
The Chiefs will go defense with the their 1st rd pick IMO. They were leading in a lot of the games they played last year. They were leading LATE in a lot of the games last year. They just couldn't stop anybody.

How many times did the Chiefs need a stop late in the game but let the other team march right down the field for the win?

Let me phrase it another way.
Do the Chiefs win more games last year with:
A. franchise QB,
B. Star LT
C: Defensive End/LB who could put pressure/sack the qb.

Scoring was much less than of an issue than our defense and specifically the pass rush. If this team had a pass rush, they probably win at least half of those games that we were leading in the 4th quarter. This team has to go LB or DE with their 1st pick. I just don't see anyway around it other than spending some big bucks in free agency. Hopefully they can trade down.

I think this man speaks wisely, ye should heed his wise words!

dbolan
01-20-2009, 11:10 AM
I think this man speaks wisely, ye should heed his wise words!


I think FA and trading for more draft picks is the way to go at this point.

OTR Chiefs fan
01-20-2009, 04:01 PM
The Chiefs will go defense with the their 1st rd pick IMO. They were leading in a lot of the games they played last year. They were leading LATE in a lot of the games last year. They just couldn't stop anybody.

How many times did the Chiefs need a stop late in the game but let the other team march right down the field for the win?

Let me phrase it another way.
Do the Chiefs win more games last year with:
A. franchise QB,
B. Star LT
C: Defensive End/LB who could put pressure/sack the qb.

Scoring was much less than of an issue than our defense and specifically the pass rush. If this team had a pass rush, they probably win at least half of those games that we were leading in the 4th quarter. This team has to go LB or DE with their 1st pick. I just don't see anyway around it other than spending some big bucks in free agency. Hopefully they can trade down.

I agree whole heartedly! To pick a QB in the 1st round would be a mistake IMO. Defense should be our main focus in this draft. :11::D

Bike
01-20-2009, 05:30 PM
I agree whole heartedly! To pick a QB in the 1st round would be a mistake IMO. Defense should be our main focus in this draft. :11::D
And OL. I like either Curry or Monroe, depending on which way Pioli goes - offense or defense.

kcmostwanted
01-20-2009, 06:55 PM
The D argument is nice but at the same time, how many games do we win if our O-line/RB could get an extra yard. We were horrible when it came down to 3rd and inches or 3rd and short. Our O-line couldn't push and LJ was caught in the backfield consistently. On 4th and inches we were always punting the ball away.. then teams would come back and score on us... We can't just blame the D (although they were horrible) because a lot of the blame goes to the Offense for their poor 3rd and 4th quarter showings as well.

We have so many holes to fill that I can't really justify who or what position we're supposed to pick.

How I see it is: we should get a few proven free agents to come in and have an immediate impact on the Defense. I say so because, what happens if we draft another Glen Dorsey or a Vernon Gholston - players who don't live up to their hype their rookie season??? Then our 09-10 D would be just as bad as last year 08-09, and we can't afford to have another year like that.

Since the Offensive side of the ball is looking a little brighter.... if we draft Offense first, we can at least let them adjust to the speed of the NFL and hope that they eventually live up to their hype, instead of expecting them to come in dominate right away (I know that many of you argue that at the #3 spot they should be able to start right away.. but i'm just saying at least it won't hurt us as much if the player doesn't have an immediate impact. If we're drafting Defense we better hope we get the next Ray Lewis, Demarcus ware, Pattrick Willis or someone who will dominate right away).

Chiefster
01-20-2009, 11:27 PM
I would like to see us drafting an "O" lineman early in the draft.

Coach
01-20-2009, 11:30 PM
The D argument is nice but at the same time, how many games do we win if our O-line/RB could get an extra yard. We were horrible when it came down to 3rd and inches or 3rd and short. Our O-line couldn't push and LJ was caught in the backfield consistently. On 4th and inches we were always punting the ball away.. then teams would come back and score on us...

I can buy part of that argument. But that doesn't change the fact that this team finished 31st out of 32 teams in team defense this season.

The only team that was worse, Detroit, finished as the worst team in NFL history by going a perfect 0-16. You may be asking yourself, when was the last time the Lions actually won a game? It was against the Chiefs in December of 2007.

But don't worry, the Chiefs also made some history of their own by only accumlating 10.5 sacks combined in a NFL season. The lowest number ever since the stat started being tracked in 1981.

This team needs to draft defense with the first pick or sign some stud defensive players in free agency. Offense with the #3 pick is a luxury this team can't afford in my opinion.

balto
01-21-2009, 12:42 AM
I agree 100% Coach!!!!!

IF we do not get BOTH DE and MLB in FA then either one HAS to be our pick in the first round.

We better hope that Pioli gets us one of the STUD DE's like Peppers or Suggs in FA. IF not we are screwed.

We can not afford to draft one of the DE's this year!!!! NONE of them are prime enough to come into the NFL and be that 10-15 Sack stud we need ATM. ALL the DE's are gonna take a couple of years to be good and maybe even great, but we need a DE that can do that NOW not in a couple of years.

SO lets hope Pioli gets us our DE and if he doesn't get our MLB too then we take either Rey Maualuga or Aaron Curry. I like Maualuga better, but Curry would work too. Besides Curry and Maualuga I do not think ANY of the DE's or LB's will be able to come into the NFL and make a impact right away like we need.

Honestly lets hope we get BOTH our DE and MLB in FA so we can afford to draft heavy for Oline THEN we can talk about a division push.

PLZZZZZ Pioli get us our DE and MLB PLZZZZZZ

jap1
01-21-2009, 01:45 AM
I think we have to get at least one LB and one DE in FA. Otherwise we are looking at another sack-less season and blown 4th quarter leads (at best!). Any DE we draft is going to take 2 years at least to make an impact. Assuming we get two key free agents on defense (One LB, one DE), here is what I would like to see drafted by round.

1. OLB/MLB Preferably Maualuga, but I will take Curry
2. Best OT on the board
3. Either a DE or G/C
4. Opposite of Round 3
5-7. Either power running back, speedy wr/kr, or Best player available

I would be willing to switch my first and second pick around if we thought someone like Cushing from USC would be available at our #2 pick.

Chief Tyler
01-21-2009, 02:39 AM
Depending on what happens in free agency my dream scenarios follow something along the lines of...

A. If we repeat FA chiefs history.

1. Trade down a few spots and grab Maualuga
2a/b. (from trading down maybe or getting rid of LJ yess!) Unger, Best DE avaliable possibly anywhere from Michael Johnson to Paul Krueger
3. Shonn Greene
4. Best tackle avaliable

It's hard to even think about this kind of scenario, so many holes.

B. Decent FA's, preferably on the defensive side.

1. Oher/Smith
2. Unger
3. Greene
4. best player avaliable, focus on LB, maybe a QB or linemen still on the board, though with the demand for linemen this draft and the size of the QB class, either would be a stretch, but maybe Josh Freeman is still on the board. I'm not sure how bad his draft projections have fallen, but he used to be a round 1/early 2 prospect, and he's shown some potential in the midst of mistakes. Throwing for 450 against OU is pretty impressive, allbeit the turnovers are killer.

yashi
01-21-2009, 09:12 AM
Depending on what happens in free agency my dream scenarios follow something along the lines of...

A. If we repeat FA chiefs history.

1. Trade down a few spots and grab Maualuga
2a/b. (from trading down maybe or getting rid of LJ yess!) Unger, Best DE avaliable possibly anywhere from Michael Johnson to Paul Krueger
3. Shonn Greene
4. Best tackle avaliable

It's hard to even think about this kind of scenario, so many holes.

B. Decent FA's, preferably on the defensive side.

1. Oher/Smith
2. Unger
3. Greene
4. best player avaliable, focus on LB, maybe a QB or linemen still on the board, though with the demand for linemen this draft and the size of the QB class, either would be a stretch, but maybe Josh Freeman is still on the board. I'm not sure how bad his draft projections have fallen, but he used to be a round 1/early 2 prospect, and he's shown some potential in the midst of mistakes. Throwing for 450 against OU is pretty impressive, allbeit the turnovers are killer.

Just a note... Unger has reportedly shown a real lack of strength at the senior bowl, and has been shoved around like a rag doll. I was high on him too, but that's a terrible sign.

Coach
01-21-2009, 09:29 AM
Depending on what happens in free agency my dream scenarios follow something along the lines of...

A. If we repeat FA chiefs history.

1. Trade down a few spots and grab Maualuga
2a/b. (from trading down maybe or getting rid of LJ yess!) Unger, Best DE avaliable possibly anywhere from Michael Johnson to Paul Krueger
3. Shonn Greene
4. Best tackle avaliable

It's hard to even think about this kind of scenario, so many holes.

B. Decent FA's, preferably on the defensive side.

1. Oher/Smith
2. Unger
3. Greene
4. best player avaliable, focus on LB, maybe a QB or linemen still on the board, though with the demand for linemen this draft and the size of the QB class, either would be a stretch, but maybe Josh Freeman is still on the board. I'm not sure how bad his draft projections have fallen, but he used to be a round 1/early 2 prospect, and he's shown some potential in the midst of mistakes. Throwing for 450 against OU is pretty impressive, allbeit the turnovers are killer.

I also like Shonn Greene a lot if we could get in him in the top of the 4th it would be a steal.

yashi
01-21-2009, 10:34 AM
Greene seems to be projected to go somewhere in the late 1st round to late 2nd round at this point... it would probably take a poor combine or some great luck for him to drop to our 3rd pick, unfortunately.

leaves
01-21-2009, 10:47 AM
address OL, DE, or MLB in the 1st to rounds. It's difficult for me to pick out who we'll draft at this point cuz Smith and Oher look very similar, Orakpo-Johnson-Ev.Brown all play well enough to impact, and Maualuga is probably the best MLB in the draft. If Greene is there in the 3rd do it. If Freeman happens to be there in the 4th do that. 5th on is pretty much the best people on the board.

dbolan
01-21-2009, 10:52 AM
wow and pass on crabtree?? that would be kinda stupid.

I'm not sold on Crabtree yet. Gotta hunch that he will not be very durable, along with Percy Harvin.

We drafted a #1 a couple of years ago and he is fairing pretty well after 2 years. Get an LB or DL/DE and go to the FA market for the OL and a standout WR.

Chief Tyler
01-21-2009, 12:34 PM
Just a note... Unger has reportedly shown a real lack of strength at the senior bowl, and has been shoved around like a rag doll. I was high on him too, but that's a terrible sign.

Yea, I haven't seen any senior bowl highlights or player reviews yet, but thats really disappointing. I like Mack a lot better but we would need a trading miracle to get a second first round pick. Maybe we could trade down into the late twenties for him and pick up a bunch of 2/3/4/5 picks, but thats really hard to justify with all the holes we have.

Chief Tyler
01-21-2009, 12:37 PM
Greene seems to be projected to go somewhere in the late 1st round to late 2nd round at this point... it would probably take a poor combine or some great luck for him to drop to our 3rd pick, unfortunately.

Has he moved up in the last few weeks? The few sources I've seen had him at a 3rd round spot, maybe late second. The real knocking point was his age. I think he's 24 at this point, but if he turns out good and little lucky the team picking him up could get a good 6-8 years of value out of him.

chiefnut
01-21-2009, 01:30 PM
here is my favorite mock draft i have found

1 Michael Johnson DE GT

2 Phil Loadholt OT OK

3 Asher Allen CB G

4 Kraig Urbik OG Wis

5 Jason Phillips ILB TCU

6 Pat White QB WV

7 Jarett Villard WR Rice

except instead of Allen at #3 i like eitherJamon Merrideth OT, Vance Walker DT or Clay Mathews OLB

Bike
01-21-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm not sold on Crabtree yet. Gotta hunch that he will not be very durable, along with Percy Harvin.

We drafted a #1 a couple of years ago and he is fairing pretty well after 2 years. Get an LB or DL/DE and go to the FA market for the OL and a standout WR.
I agree with you on Crabtree.
But I think you have it backwards on the draft. This years draft is loaded with quality OL and this years' FA market will be loaded with talented defensive starters. We need help right now! A rookie OL can be drafted and contribute right away with a relatively low risk factor. Anybody we draft at DE or LB will take 2-3 years to develop. I say draft OL and FA defense with our current situation...JMHO!:bananen_smilies046:

leaves
01-21-2009, 01:38 PM
I definately think Pat White would be a good move. He's a good qb who can do wr, and he'll be there late. And I gotta say it's smart to shop up the defense through FA. There are tons of DE's and LB's in FA, OL/WR/DB aren't very plentiful in the FA however.

yashi
01-21-2009, 02:00 PM
Has he moved up in the last few weeks? The few sources I've seen had him at a 3rd round spot, maybe late second. The real knocking point was his age. I think he's 24 at this point, but if he turns out good and little lucky the team picking him up could get a good 6-8 years of value out of him.
I dunno.. I try to follow the mocks that update the most.

Late 2nd - http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009_2.php

Late 1st - 2009 NFL Mock Draft (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Drafts/2009_nfl_mock_draft.htm)

And I can't link it because I think you need ESPN Insider, but Scouts Inc. has Greene currently rated as an 83 which projects out to a mid to late 2nd rounder.

I really hope we could get him with a 3rd, but I just don't want to get my hopes up.

yashi
01-21-2009, 02:35 PM
I figured I'd throw together a mock.. there's probably some reaches here, but it's our job to go with best case scenarios right? :) This is taking into account the most recent information I have, including buzz from the first 2 at the Senior Bowl.

1. Eugene Monroe, OT. This is a downer for me, because as of right now I'd rather have Andre Smith but I believe the Rams will take him 2nd overall. I think we have to go with a safe pick, and can we really go wrong with a guy who played on the same line as Albert in college and caused him to play at Guard? I also like that Albert could move to Guard permanently, where I think he could be a pro bowler.

Believe it or not, I actually considered B.J. Raji here, if and only if we switch to a 3-4, based on what I'm hearing at the Senior Bowl. He's going to be skyrocketing up the mocks and looks to be a pro bowl NT in the making.

2. Phil Loadholt, OT. Because I like big huge linemen and Bradford hasn't been touched aside from the Florida game.

3. Larry English, DE. I've never been a big fan of writing a guy off because of his size. I'll always take a small guy who has performed over a big guy who hasn't (Michael Johnson). This paragraph from his performance at the Senior Bowl so far says it all:

Northern Illinois's Larry English is separating himself from another undersized defensive end/outside linebacker prospect -- Connecticut's Cody Brown -- and working his way into the first day of the draft. English is playing with more of an edge and showing better upper body than Brown as a run defender. He has also been a step quicker around the corner than Brown has been in rushing the passer.

4. Rashad Jennings, RB. I want Shonn Greene, but I'll settle for Jennings. Virtually identical to LJ in size at a measured 6'1" 234 lbs with reportedly almost no body fat. This guy can be our thunder to Charles' lightning. A legit downhill plower.

5. Rhett Bomar, QB. Number 1 QB prospect coming out of high school, had some problems and ended up playing at Sam Houston St. Perfect type of guy to take a flyer on and see what happens.

6. Sammie Hill, DT. Admittedly, I know nothing about this guy but he's 6'3" 330 lbs and we have no big stuffers to throw in there for running situations.

7. Kaluka Maiava, OLB. Because it's a great year for USC linebackers!

O-Line: Check.
Pass Rusher: Check.
LJ Replacement: Check.
QB with potential: Check.

Bike
01-21-2009, 03:26 PM
I'm with you selecting Monroe as our 1st pick - even if Andre Smith is still on the board. As for the rest of the draft, it really depends on what we do in FA. But Loadholt would be a good 2nd pick also.

leaves
01-21-2009, 03:38 PM
I gotta say yashi, that's the first mock up that I've seen that I have no problems with. Jennings is getting no love and he's a legit runner, and these minor program skill players play with something to prove. If Bomar's there in the 5th def. do it.

Bike
01-21-2009, 03:47 PM
I agree. Yashis mock draft is the bestest I've seen so far!!!

jmlamerson
01-21-2009, 03:53 PM
I figured I'd throw together a mock.. there's probably some reaches here, but it's our job to go with best case scenarios right? :) This is taking into account the most recent information I have, including buzz from the first 2 at the Senior Bowl.

1. Eugene Monroe, OT. This is a downer for me, because as of right now I'd rather have Andre Smith but I believe the Rams will take him 2nd overall. I think we have to go with a safe pick, and can we really go wrong with a guy who played on the same line as Albert in college and caused him to play at Guard? I also like that Albert could move to Guard permanently, where I think he could be a pro bowler.

Believe it or not, I actually considered B.J. Raji here, if and only if we switch to a 3-4, based on what I'm hearing at the Senior Bowl. He's going to be skyrocketing up the mocks and looks to be a pro bowl NT in the making.

2. Phil Loadholt, OT. Because I like big huge linemen and Bradford hasn't been touched aside from the Florida game.

3. Larry English, DE. I've never been a big fan of writing a guy off because of his size. I'll always take a small guy who has performed over a big guy who hasn't (Michael Johnson). This paragraph from his performance at the Senior Bowl so far says it all:

Northern Illinois's Larry English is separating himself from another undersized defensive end/outside linebacker prospect -- Connecticut's Cody Brown -- and working his way into the first day of the draft. English is playing with more of an edge and showing better upper body than Brown as a run defender. He has also been a step quicker around the corner than Brown has been in rushing the passer.

4. Rashad Jennings, RB. I want Shonn Greene, but I'll settle for Jennings. Virtually identical to LJ in size at a measured 6'1" 234 lbs with reportedly almost no body fat. This guy can be our thunder to Charles' lightning. A legit downhill plower.

5. Rhett Bomar, QB. Number 1 QB prospect coming out of high school, had some problems and ended up playing at Sam Houston St. Perfect type of guy to take a flyer on and see what happens.

6. Sammie Hill, DT. Admittedly, I know nothing about this guy but he's 6'3" 330 lbs and we have no big stuffers to throw in there for running situations.

7. Kaluka Maiava, OLB. Because it's a great year for USC linebackers!

O-Line: Check.
Pass Rusher: Check.
LJ Replacement: Check.
QB with potential: Check.

I like this draft. A lot. It would be the best Chiefs draft in a decade.

I might pick up a C in the 5th instead of Bomar, just so we could have an entirely reconstituted OL of:

Monroe/Albert/Rookie/Waters/Loadholt

yashi
01-21-2009, 04:19 PM
I like this draft. A lot. It would be the best Chiefs draft in a decade.

I might pick up a C in the 5th instead of Bomar, just so we could have an entirely reconstituted OL of:

Monroe/Albert/Rookie/Waters/Loadholt

I considered throwing a C in there, but wasn't sure if there was anyone worth drafting at that point. Also Matt Birk and Jeff Saturday are UFAs, among others... a little old I suppose, but it'd buy us some time to address the position a bit higher up next season. I wish there was some way to end up with Alex Mack.

leaves
01-21-2009, 04:28 PM
It's smart to throw a veteran on the line with those young'ns too, cuz chances are someones gonna clash.

jap1
01-21-2009, 04:45 PM
Yashi ... I like that draft alot. But I think it would only be successful if we picked up a good DE and LB in FA. But man, imagine that O-line. I have been against moving Albert to guard, but if we fix the D in FA ... I cannot help but think how dominating our O-line would be.

I have images of the huge holes we used to open up 5 or 6 years ago for Priest and LJ.

And if we went with that O-line, I think we definitely should consider a veteran C to teach the rooks some tricks.

Anyone know of any other good O-lineman that are available? Specifically guards?

leaves
01-21-2009, 05:44 PM
We definately need to utilize the FA for the defense and OL some. I hope Pioli starts using a FB system again too. It'd be nice to see Cox develop or even grab someone like Heath Evans, Lorenzo Neal, Tony Richardson (again) from FA. I'd even love to see a blocking FB to complement Cox's catching like draft prosp's Southerland (UGA) or Johnson (LSU).

jap1
01-21-2009, 05:50 PM
We definately need to utilize the FA for the defense and OL some. I hope Pioli starts using a FB system again too. It'd be nice to see Cox develop or even grab someone like Heath Evans, Lorenzo Neal, Tony Richardson (again) from FA. I'd even love to see a blocking FB to complement Cox's catching like draft prosp's Southerland (UGA) or Johnson (LSU).

The few times they used Cox he seemed to be a decent blocker. Not as great as T. Richardson, but good.