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jap1
01-30-2009, 07:00 PM
So according to ESPN, Haynesworth is not planning on giving a hometeam discount to the Titans. Which means that he wants to go where he can get the most $$. Which makes it a possibility we may be able to pay him enough to come here.

I definitely would love to have him next to Dorsey. Both as a mentor and to free some pressure off the rest of the line.

If we could get him and Peppers or Suggs (sounding less likely), I think we would have a GREAT D-line. I think Peppers (or Suggs)/Dorsey/Haynesworth/Hali would be pretty damn good with Tank and Turk rotating in. Obviously this would only work if we kept the 4-3, and I dont think we could afford a top-tier FA LB. Which we would also need.

The only problem is that I have questions about Haynesworth's durability. I dont think he has gone a whole season without missing a few games due to injury.

Here is the article from ESPN's rumor page:

Will Haynesworth give a hometown discount?
Albert Haynesworth | Titans | Interested: Panthers? Falcons?
Unlike Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs, Tennessee Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is not going to give the team a hometown discount during negotiations for a new contract. That is, "not unless they give me a 100 percent guaranteed contract," as he told the Tennessean on Thursday.
"You want to try and make as much as you can because if you have a career-ending injury you are out," Haynesworth told the paper, "and the team sure as heck is not going to pay you. It's not like baseball or basketball. You want to get as much as possible."

Although specific demands have not been stated by Haynesworth or his agent, Chad Speck, it is believed that he's interested in a six-year deal that would make him the highest-paid defensive player in the league. Minnesota Vikings defensive end Jared Allen is currently in that role, and he signed a six-year deal last offseason with $32 million guaranteed and $12.2 million per season.

Haynesworth told the Nashville City Paper, "Like I said, Tennessee has the first shot. We'll see how that goes, and if it doesn't go well, I could see the free agent market. I started my NFL career there. I'd love to retire in the same jersey. My kids are there. My kids were born there. It's a lot of history. I played at the University of Tennessee. There's a lot of stuff that factors in, but we've just got to see how it works out. Either way I want to stay by my kids and stay by my house in Knoxville." Because of this desire to stay close to his home, the Paper's Terry McCormick speculates that the Atlanta Falcons and Carolina Panthers would be likely destinations should he not re-sign with Tennessee.

YZILLA
01-30-2009, 07:43 PM
I think he would be worth every penny .

Codac
01-30-2009, 07:52 PM
You can't seriously think we could get Peppers and Haynesworth do you? This isn't Madden. No offense. It would have to be either one or the other. If either. Hopefully Pioli is more aggresive in the Free Agent Market than Carl was. If he is then we might be able to get one of them. Plus you have to take into account if they even want to play for such a low caliber team.

jap1
01-30-2009, 08:25 PM
You can't seriously think we could get Peppers and Haynesworth do you? This isn't Madden. No offense. It would have to be either one or the other. If either. Hopefully Pioli is more aggresive in the Free Agent Market than Carl was. If he is then we might be able to get one of them. Plus you have to take into account if they even want to play for such a low caliber team.

We have, I believe, over 30 mil in cap space right now (Im not positive on that number). And I am not taking into consideration any cap hits from cuts, etc. I have no idea about how the details of the salary cap work. That being said, it is possible, but we wouldnt have any money for a good FA LB. But a DL that good could potentially mask a lot of deficiencies in the LB corps.

Lazeye
01-30-2009, 09:57 PM
Not sure I would want AH, I mean the guy is a monster but if you cant play the entire season that does not go with me very well, our luck it would be at an important time and who no's how many in a row he would miss. I say go and GET peppers either way.

Three7s
01-30-2009, 11:43 PM
Haynesworth is a beast that would be a definite difference maker right off, but he's become a bit injury prone over the last couple of seasons. I dunno if I'd want that. I wouldn't mind him training Dorsey, though.

Chiefster
01-31-2009, 01:20 AM
Not sure I would want AH, I mean the guy is a monster but if you cant play the entire season that does not go with me very well, our luck it would be at an important time and who no's how many in a row he would miss. I say go and GET peppers either way.


Haynesworth is a beast that would be a definite difference maker right off, but he's become a bit injury prone over the last couple of seasons. I dunno if I'd want that. I wouldn't mind him training Dorsey, though.


Agreed, the game takes a huge toll on the body, and the longer you play the worse it can get.

balto
01-31-2009, 01:24 AM
We can afford BOTH Haynesworth and Peppers. Then just draft Curry or Maualuga to play LB no problems.

Will it happen? Probably not but if we can get Cowher on board then I honestly think a lot of FA's might think KC is the place to be.

Chiefster
01-31-2009, 01:35 AM
We can afford BOTH Haynesworth and Peppers. Then just draft Curry or Maualuga to play LB no problems.

Will it happen? Probably not but if we can get Cowher on board then I honestly think a lot of FA's might think KC is the place to be.

Cowher isn't going to happen, how's out of coaching for at least one more year.

theaxeeffect4311
01-31-2009, 03:45 AM
Depending on the price Haynesworth is asking for (said to want to be the most expensive defensive player), then the Chiefs will not make a move for him. Main reason being that DT is not a weakness. The players we have are average and can get by for now. I have questions about his work ethic and willingness to play, which makes me more cautious of the guy. I like him, want him to help our defense, but I am not sure we'll get the same Albert Haynesworth from this season.

Chiefs pass to grab one of the more glaring needs.

jtandcrew
01-31-2009, 07:26 AM
Haynesworth and Peppers on this team? With the guys we have can u imagine the defense we could have? I would mirror our D of the 90's! Let's get it done!:bananen_smilies046: :mob:

balto
01-31-2009, 11:10 AM
Ya your right,

Haynesworth will cost a **** ton. If Pioli does make a move in FA I think he can get us at least TWO stud FA's. I'm guessing he will focus on the DE and LB side of things so ya Haynesworth will probably not happen hehe

I'm up in the air with who I would rather have:

Haynesworth/Peppers

OR

Peppers/Vilma(or some other Stud MLB)

If Pioli got us Peppers/MLB in FA then we could focus on the Oline with oru first couple of picks in the draft. I would still try to trade down, but if not just bite the bullet and take a damn LT ERRRRRR Sorry Albert hehe.

theaxeeffect4311
01-31-2009, 02:33 PM
Ya your right,

Haynesworth will cost a **** ton. If Pioli does make a move in FA I think he can get us at least TWO stud FA's. I'm guessing he will focus on the DE and LB side of things so ya Haynesworth will probably not happen hehe

I'm up in the air with who I would rather have:

Haynesworth/Peppers

OR

Peppers/Vilma(or some other Stud MLB)

If Pioli got us Peppers/MLB in FA then we could focus on the Oline with oru first couple of picks in the draft. I would still try to trade down, but if not just bite the bullet and take a damn LT ERRRRRR Sorry Albert hehe.

I like the idea of Peppers and Vilma. Too good players. I also would like to focus on the O-line in the draft. This is a good draft to do that. And I don't think Albert will mind much. He's still getting paid the same amount, he'll just have to play another spot on the line. That is why I thought the Chiefs liked him so much was for his versatility. The way the draft may look, it may be

1. Det- QB Matt Stafford
2. StL- WR Michael Crabtree
3. KC- Our Choice of the top OT?

Looks good to me.

hometeam
01-31-2009, 02:51 PM
rams took a wide out last year~ I guess they could pulla lions and get another one, but wow that would be dumb~

theaxeeffect4311
01-31-2009, 03:21 PM
rams took a wide out last year~ I guess they could pulla lions and get another one, but wow that would be dumb~

The reason they are thinking about it is because they could draft an OT later. If it was me, I would take my choice at the top prospect, but they may be looking to replace Torry Holt who wants out of St. Louis. Crabtree is a talented player, so no one could really question them if they make that choice, as long as they grab an OT in the second. Donnie Avery was a second round choice, but he seems more like a speed receiver instead of a possession/reliable receiver.

hermhater
01-31-2009, 03:45 PM
:bananen_smilies046:

Bike
01-31-2009, 03:53 PM
:bananen_smilies046:
Do you think Herm was a good coach?

jmlamerson
01-31-2009, 05:11 PM
I like the idea of Peppers and Vilma. Too good players. I also would like to focus on the O-line in the draft. This is a good draft to do that. And I don't think Albert will mind much. He's still getting paid the same amount, he'll just have to play another spot on the line. That is why I thought the Chiefs liked him so much was for his versatility. The way the draft may look, it may be

1. Det- QB Matt Stafford
2. StL- WR Michael Crabtree
3. KC- Our Choice of the top OT?

Looks good to me.

I can't imagine the Rams passing on Andre Smith, not with Pace's problems. If there's one pick I'm pretty sure of, that's it.

And if we can get Haynesworth, we get Haynesworth. Our DL couldn't rush the passer or stop the run last year. People are nuts if they think Dorsey will ever be a run stuffing sort of DT, and we have no one worthwhile beside him.

And Vilma isn't a bad MLB. But he's a small one. We're going to be 30th against the run every year until we get some heft in the middle of the field.

Codac
02-01-2009, 04:12 PM
We have, I believe, over 30 mil in cap space right now (Im not positive on that number). And I am not taking into consideration any cap hits from cuts, etc. I have no idea about how the details of the salary cap work. That being said, it is possible, but we wouldnt have any money for a good FA LB. But a DL that good could potentially mask a lot of deficiencies in the LB corps.

Yea its pretty close to $35 Million I believe. Thats not the point. The Chiefs won't go after him. We don't need a DT as much as you guys are making it sound. We need a DE and 2 LB's. Not to mention a new defensive scheme. Thats all. Pioli wasn't very agressive at New England, and he isn't going to be here.
You can only have so many superstars on one team. Peppers/Vilma would be a lot more likely but I have a feeling we won't land Peppers even if we tried. No one wants to play for this team right now.
As strongly as Pioli believes in the Draft he might trade some players away to get some picks. So that being said he might sign some people this offseason that no one thinks we need, and then on draft day it will all make sense. I'm placing my bet on that.

jmlamerson
02-01-2009, 05:47 PM
Yea its pretty close to $35 Million I believe. Thats not the point. The Chiefs won't go after him. We don't need a DT as much as you guys are making it sound. We need a DE and 2 LB's. Not to mention a new defensive scheme. Thats all. Pioli wasn't very agressive at New England, and he isn't going to be here.
You can only have so many superstars on one team. Peppers/Vilma would be a lot more likely but I have a feeling we won't land Peppers even if we tried. No one wants to play for this team right now.
As strongly as Pioli believes in the Draft he might trade some players away to get some picks. So that being said he might sign some people this offseason that no one thinks we need, and then on draft day it will all make sense. I'm placing my bet on that.

How, exactly, do you plan to stop the run next year with our pigmy DTs and an undersized MLB in Vilma? Do we just hope the runner trips every play?

And the Pats have been extemely active in FA. Their first SB team had 11 FA starters on it. They've signed or traded for starters pretty much every year since Pioli was in charge.

Codac
02-01-2009, 06:10 PM
How, exactly, do you plan to stop the run next year with our pigmy DTs and an undersized MLB in Vilma? Do we just hope the runner trips every play?

And the Pats have been extemely active in FA. Their first SB team had 11 FA starters on it. They've signed or traded for starters pretty much every year since Pioli was in charge.

Pigmy???? Tank Tyler 6-2 306 LBS, Glenn Dorsey 6-1 297 LBS. They are soooooo small. Tank played very very well, and Glenn was a rookie. DT is not the problem. Do you really know what your talking about? And Vilma may be a bit light, but he is a good solid football player. Better than what we have now. Do you know what your talking about?

Fine, you got me oon the FA thing. I'm sorry I haven't payed attention to the Pats they aren't my team. I just never recalled them signing many players.

jmlamerson
02-01-2009, 06:28 PM
Pigmy???? Tank Tyler 6-2 306 LBS, Glenn Dorsey 6-1 297 LBS. They are soooooo small. Tank played very very well, and Glenn was a rookie. DT is not the problem. Do you really know what your talking about? And Vilma may be a bit light, but he is a good solid football player. Better than what we have now. Do you know what your talking about?

Fine, you got me oon the FA thing. I'm sorry I haven't payed attention to the Pats they aren't my team. I just never recalled them signing many players.

Glenn Dorsey and Tank Tyler are too small and light to adequately play DT in the NFL right now. If Dorsey's 6'1", I'm 7'5". If you think Tank played well last year, you probably didn't watch a whole lot of games. He and Dorsey couldn't stop anyone. They got run on every single down last year and that's why we ended up 30th in the league against the run. We would have been last, except that our DL couldn't get pressure and teams just started throwing on us the whole second half.

Vilma is too tiny to be our MLB with those two as our DTs. That's the reason he got traded out of NYC - he's too small to be an every down MLB. Would he be better than Pat Thomas/DeMorrio Williams? Who wouldn't? Do I want someone a whole lot bigger than him? Definitely.

AkChief49
02-02-2009, 12:24 AM
Haynesworth..I dunno, that's a real head scratcher, or stomper? He is a beast.

jap1
02-02-2009, 12:28 AM
I would grab him in a heart beat, if it wasnt for his price tag and his history of injuries. Those two together make me very hesitant to bring him over. At this point, I would lean away from him. But if this was Madden, I'd be on him like white on rice.

theaxeeffect4311
02-02-2009, 03:58 AM
Glenn Dorsey and Tank Tyler are too small and light to adequately play DT in the NFL right now. If Dorsey's 6'1", I'm 7'5". If you think Tank played well last year, you probably didn't watch a whole lot of games. He and Dorsey couldn't stop anyone. They got run on every single down last year and that's why we ended up 30th in the league against the run. We would have been last, except that our DL couldn't get pressure and teams just started throwing on us the whole second half.

Vilma is too tiny to be our MLB with those two as our DTs. That's the reason he got traded out of NYC - he's too small to be an every down MLB. Would he be better than Pat Thomas/DeMorrio Williams? Who wouldn't? Do I want someone a whole lot bigger than him? Definitely.

Vilma got traded from the Jets because Vilma did not fit well in the 3-4 defense they switched to. However, in the 4-3 defense they were running before that, Vilma was great. Consistent. He won defensive rookie of the year. Just because he is undersized, does not mean he will be run over on every play.

Darnell Dockett. He had two sacks today in the Super Bowl, do you know his size? 6-4, 285 lbs. I think once the Chiefs get a new DC, they will use Dorsey the way he should be used. He is not a space eater, but a three-technique guy who bursts through the line to disrupt the play. Haynesworth would be nice, but how can you promise that he will continue to play at a high level and not become injured or lazy? DT is the fourth priority for the Chiefs behind the O-line, DE, and LBs.

texaschief
02-02-2009, 04:37 AM
Haynesworth has played ONE full season (rookie year) during his 8 years in the league and during that season, he started 3 games. He would be too expensive and too injury prone. After his rookie season, Haynesworth has played 74 of 116 games. You think this injury problem is going to get better or worse the older he gets? This has LJ/Holmes written all over it.

Defensive tackle isn't the problem on this team if we stick with the 4-3. Our DTs are young, but talented. It takes time for DTs in particular to develop into stud players. Give me guys who can prove they can stay healthy.

Money needs to be spent elsewhere. The Chiefs need a DE and a couple LBs in free agency and a DC who can utilize his talent effectively.

yashi
02-02-2009, 12:59 PM
Glad to see others see a lot of issues with Haynesworth. Not only is he injury prone and going to be highly overpaid, but he has poor work ethic and isn't a team player. He's a great player, no doubt, but plays much harder during contract years. With all the great play, I would expect an equal amount of frustration if we sign him.

dbolan
02-02-2009, 03:49 PM
He would be another one of those high dollar aquisitions that had a great "one season" and then reports to training camp with a surprising need for a season ending surgery.

I believe Pioli will attract players that want to play a team sport and the players that wanna slack will be out the door.

N TX Dave
02-02-2009, 06:15 PM
Well we are not going to go after anyone until we get a HC and DC, then depending on what they want to do will determine who we go after.

theaxeeffect4311
02-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Well we are not going to go after anyone until we get a HC and DC, then depending on what they want to do will determine who we go after.

Free agency has not even started yet. I highly doubt the Chiefs go three and a half weeks without filling both positions. Either way, it looks like we won't be going to a 3-4.

Coach
02-02-2009, 11:43 PM
I like the idea of Peppers and Vilma. Too good players. I also would like to focus on the O-line in the draft. This is a good draft to do that. And I don't think Albert will mind much. He's still getting paid the same amount, he'll just have to play another spot on the line. That is why I thought the Chiefs liked him so much was for his versatility. The way the draft may look, it may be

1. Det- QB Matt Stafford
2. StL- WR Michael Crabtree
3. KC- Our Choice of the top OT?

Looks good to me.

No way STL takes Crabtree or any other WR with their 1st pick. Lots of needs on that team, but WR isn't one of them. Similar to the argument for not going after Haynesworth. There are more glaring team needs for STL.


:bananen_smilies046:

Nice post.

theaxeeffect4311
02-03-2009, 01:53 AM
No way STL takes Crabtree or any other WR with their 1st pick. Lots of needs on that team, but WR isn't one of them. Similar to the argument for not going after Haynesworth. There are more glaring team needs for STL.



Nice post.

You say no way, but really think about it. Torry Holt wants out of StL. Donnie Avery emerged as a good receiver. They might think about taking an OT in the second round or later in the draft. I did not say it will happen, but that it is a possibility. I am not the first one to say this. Be open to it. Heck be open to the idea that the Chiefs might draft Crabtree. The draft is weird.