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tornadospotter
02-06-2009, 06:43 PM
For those who feel this was a bad choice, post your reasons in this thread.

Me, I will wait and see.:11:

hometeam
02-06-2009, 09:05 PM
The only thing I dont like about him is that he is unproven as a head coach.
That being said, everyone has to start somewhere, and I am not mad at Pioli for picking him in any way. I like his fiery attitude, and his resume says that he is a good developer of WR's~

so I guess this is more of a positive post in the negative thread about Haley.

sorry :(

Chiefster
02-06-2009, 09:24 PM
For those who feel this was a bad choice, post your reasons in this thread.

Me, I will wait and see.:11:

I, too, shall wait and see.

honda522
02-06-2009, 09:28 PM
I think you guys should get over it. We just gone thru hell with Herm, and there isnt ANYONE worse than him.

Pro_Angler
02-06-2009, 09:47 PM
I think you guys should get over it. We just gone thru hell with Herm, and there isnt ANYONE worse than him.


Yes it's a overated OC with no HC experience, and we just went back 3-5 yrs however long his deal is for. While we waste the most important years in our young talents careers.

Bike
02-06-2009, 09:51 PM
Yes it's a overated OC with no HC experience, and we just went back 3-5 yrs however long his deal is for. While we waste the most important years in our young talents careers.
Damn dude. Who did you want?

honda522
02-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Damn dude. Who did you want?
Probably wanted Cowher who was NOT coming.

N TX Dave
02-06-2009, 11:31 PM
Damn dude. Who did you want?

He won't say he just likes to complain, he sounds like some of those losers on the old Star forum all they did is complain about everything that the team did they were never happy. I think sometimes they complain just to hear themselves.

Dude at least we got rid of CP and Herm. It is like when CP first got here he hired a DC to be the new HC by the name of Marty and he did okay.

I do not know if Haley will be any good or not only time will tell but at least he is young and bring some fresh blood to the team. I am not happy or unhappy with the signing, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

I am sure Hunt and Pioli both know more about who would and who would not come in as coach. As I am sure they brought in the best in their minds. We do not know who turned down the job before they gave it to Haley.

Coach
02-06-2009, 11:38 PM
I was hoping for a proven winner like Cowher. But I am optimistic about Haley. He has a very good resume. His father, Bill Haley helped build a dynasty in Pittsburgh. His Mentor, Bill Parcells needs no introduction. Haley has helped turnaround several teams. I think this team is better today than we were in Novermber with CP and Herm in charge. I think they are tons better.

Landing Pioli will prove to be the best thing KC has done in years IMO.

Pro_Angler
02-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Coach Pioli yes I do agree he was the best option for the chiefs. I think we should have kept Herm for atleast one more year I'd be happier then i am right now.

Coach
02-06-2009, 11:47 PM
Coach Pioli yes I do agree he was the best option for the chiefs. I think we should have kept Herm for atleast one more year I'd be happier then i am right now.

Part of me wonders if that wasn't the best option as well due to all of the big name coaches available next year. But, I think Herm would have been a lame duck coach this coming year and it would have set the team back by another year.

I would have preferred Cowher. But you can have Holmgren, Shanahan, Chuckie, and the others. There were no guarantees the Chiefs would have landed Cowher and I think Pioli knew that. Cowher doesn't need a rebuilding project. He will inherit a great team somewhere when he's ready to comeback. Very likely San Diego. I think Norv will get the axe next year. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

Chiefster
02-06-2009, 11:54 PM
Part of me wonders if that wasn't the best option as well due to all of the big name coaches available next year. But, I think Herm would have been a lame duck coach this coming year and it would have set the team back by another year.

I would have preferred Cowher. But you can have Holmgren, Shanahan, Chuckie, and the others. There were no guarantees the Chiefs would have landed Cowher and I think Pioli knew that. Cowher doesn't need a rebuilding project. He will inherit a great team somewhere when he's ready to comeback. Very likely San Diego. I think Norv will get the axe next year. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

Speaking as a fan I'm not sure I could have stood another season of Herm. I understand the reasoning behind keeping him one more season, but can't help feeling like he had over stayed his welcome as head coach.

honda522
02-07-2009, 12:39 AM
He won't say he just likes to complain, he sounds like some of those losers on the old Star forum all they did is complain about everything that the team did they were never happy. I think sometimes they complain just to hear themselves.

Dude at least we got rid of CP and Herm. It is like when CP first got here he hired a DC to be the new HC by the name of Marty and he did okay.

I do not know if Haley will be any good or not only time will tell but at least he is young and bring some fresh blood to the team. I am not happy or unhappy with the signing, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

I am sure Hunt and Pioli both know more about who would and who would not come in as coach. As I am sure they brought in the best in their minds. We do not know who turned down the job before they gave it to Haley.

Well lets not forget some of the good things CP has done. He got Tony and Derrick, arguably some of the best Chiefs players in the entire franchise and when the Chiefs were a sucky team he brought in coaches players and whatever he needed to make Kansas City have some of the best fans around.

josh1971
02-07-2009, 03:48 AM
Saint Cowher was once unproven as a head coach, too.

While we don't know much about Haley as a head coach, he's not unproven or a "one season wonder" as an offensive coach. Some of the same things that have been mentioned, I also find worrisome (the Cards' rushing and defensive performances come to mind).

I think it will be important to see who he comes up with as a DC, and how the coaching staff looks in a week or two.

jb

Canada
02-07-2009, 10:03 AM
Coach Pioli yes I do agree he was the best option for the chiefs. I think we should have kept Herm for atleast one more year I'd be happier then i am right now.

What would be the point of keeping Herm. You said Cowher would never coach here so what would be the point? You think Herm is better than Haley?

Chief Tyler
02-07-2009, 10:23 AM
Saint Cowher was once unproven as a head coach, too.

While we don't know much about Haley as a head coach, he's not unproven or a "one season wonder" as an offensive coach. Some of the same things that have been mentioned, I also find worrisome (the Cards' rushing and defensive performances come to mind).

I think it will be important to see who he comes up with as a DC, and how the coaching staff looks in a week or two.

jb

I don't think you can blame him for the lack of running game entirely. When you've got two of the best receivers in the league supported by a 3rd who could easily be a two, a respectable tight end and Warner tossing them the rock, I don't blame him for throwing it as much as he did especially when you're running game consists of an average line with an aging star and a rookie who wasn't able to handle the load. As far as defense goes, hopefully the right DC will take care of that for the most part.

Coach
02-07-2009, 10:56 AM
What would be the point of keeping Herm. You said Cowher would never coach here so what would be the point? You think Herm is better than Haley?

Great point Cannuck.


I don't think you can blame him for the lack of running game entirely. When you've got two of the best receivers in the league supported by a 3rd who could easily be a two, a respectable tight end and Warner tossing them the rock, I don't blame him for throwing it as much as he did especially when you're running game consists of an average line with an aging star and a rookie who wasn't able to handle the load. As far as defense goes, hopefully the right DC will take care of that for the most part.

Play to your stengths. If he had employed the run,run, pass, punt philosophy that Herm adored, I very highly doubt that Arizona would have made it to the superbowl. But I would be willing to bet that they would have finished higher in the NFL in rushing.

A more important statistic is TOTAL offense. Arizona ranked 4th this year. Can your team move the ball? Isn't that really the only thing that matters.

You give me Tom Brady, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Tony Gonzalez and I will show you the worst rushing statistics in the history of the NFL and a Lombardi trophy.

TheLateGreat#58Fan
02-07-2009, 11:15 AM
A portion of this hire was his ability to evaluate talent. His father Dick Haley was part of a draft for the steelers in 74 that took 4 HOF's in one draft. Not to say he is his dad, but they talked about how much time he spent around that organization-watching film, listening with scouts, etc. Who he chooses as coordinators is going to be super important especially Def. Co.

Everyone is unproven before they get their first shot to be a head Coach- but this guy has worked along some of the best to see how to build a strong team- Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, His father

Out of all the HC hires this off-season it would be tough to say anyone of them was a hands down better hire than Haley

Canada
02-07-2009, 11:18 AM
As far as the whole experience thing goes, how long have Wisenhunt and Tomlin been around? They both made SB appearances this year.

Pro_Angler
02-07-2009, 11:18 AM
He won't say he just likes to complain, he sounds like some of those losers on the old Star forum all they did is complain about everything that the team did they were never happy. I think sometimes they complain just to hear themselves.

Dude at least we got rid of CP and Herm. It is like when CP first got here he hired a DC to be the new HC by the name of Marty and he did okay.

I do not know if Haley will be any good or not only time will tell but at least he is young and bring some fresh blood to the team. I am not happy or unhappy with the signing, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

I am sure Hunt and Pioli both know more about who would and who would not come in as coach. As I am sure they brought in the best in their minds. We do not know who turned down the job before they gave it to Haley.

Hey MR been a member for 1 month post whore. ST%$Y#%^# uip.

Pro_Angler
02-07-2009, 11:20 AM
What would be the point of keeping Herm. You said Cowher would never coach here so what would be the point? You think Herm is better than Haley?



YES... ABSOLUTELY

Bike
02-07-2009, 11:20 AM
Well lets not forget some of the good things CP has done. He got Tony and Derrick, arguably some of the best Chiefs players in the entire franchise and when the Chiefs were a sucky team he brought in coaches players and whatever he needed to make Kansas City have some of the best fans around.
I guess 2 out of 200 aint bad.
CP was all about profit - not about winning the SB.

TheLateGreat#58Fan
02-07-2009, 11:49 AM
As far as the whole experience thing goes, how long have Wisenhunt and Tomlin been around? They both made SB appearances this year.

Good point
Tomlin Def. cor. for the Vikings for 1 year with 2 years as a DB coach at TB

Whisenhunt off. cor. for 3 years with the steelers positional coach previous to that

Hopefully we can match some of this success, it comes down to if you have talent around them

At least in tomlin's case that team is pretty much the same Bill Cowher team that won the Super Bowl

Canada
02-07-2009, 11:51 AM
YES... ABSOLUTELY:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Bike
02-07-2009, 11:53 AM
YES... ABSOLUTELY
Dude. Get a clue.
Herm won 6 games last 2 years.

okikcfan
02-07-2009, 11:59 AM
YES... ABSOLUTELY
Are you for real, have you not looked back at Herms overall record? How can you think Herm is better? Do you think we would be better off with Carl instead of Pioli?

Canada
02-07-2009, 12:23 PM
YES... ABSOLUTELY


Then why do u think Haley will get more wins?
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Coach
02-07-2009, 12:37 PM
Hey MR been a member for 1 month post whore. ST%#%^# uip.

Dont go there. Neg rep.

N TX Dave
02-07-2009, 12:41 PM
Hey MR been a member for 1 month post whore. ST%#%^# uip.

You sound like such a fun guy to be around not happy about anything. You wanted more of Herm and his 9-8, 4-12 and 2-14 total 17-34 three year record. You should have been on the Star's forum you would have fit in there real good. For three years all people did was complain about CP and Herm and anything they did. I was really sorry it closed down I wanted to see how they reacted to all the changes that were made alas it is no more.

Oh well it takes all kinds to make the world go round I hope you enjoy your life, I know I will mine with a lot more positive outlook than you have.

marloweopatchiefs
02-07-2009, 01:28 PM
anyone is better then herm edwards...that guy just sucked i think hayley will be good in kc.

Pro_Angler
02-07-2009, 01:55 PM
Part of me wonders if that wasn't the best option as well due to all of the big name coaches available next year. But, I think Herm would have been a lame duck coach this coming year and it would have set the team back by another year.

I would have preferred Cowher. But you can have Holmgren, Shanahan, Chuckie, and the others. There were no guarantees the Chiefs would have landed Cowher and I think Pioli knew that. Cowher doesn't need a rebuilding project. He will inherit a great team somewhere when he's ready to comeback. Very likely San Diego. I think Norv will get the axe next year. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

You have to think though that even the chargers are a year away from having to rebuikd as well.

Pro_Angler
02-07-2009, 01:57 PM
Then why do u think Haley will get more wins?
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I think Edwards would have gotten more.

Pro_Angler
02-07-2009, 01:59 PM
:funnypost:
So people who just came here have no real outlook or in your oppinion can't state their oppinion? This is a Negative thread so I say let this cry baby B*tch about Mr Haley and if and when Haley proves differently and he tries to jump on the Haley band wagon he will look even more silly :lol:

No people just want to bash other peoples opinions. We would have been better either keeping Herm or Making Chan the HC atleast until the next season when there are several proven coaches available.

Canada
02-07-2009, 05:57 PM
I think Edwards would have gotten more.

Edwards had three years and he has 15 wins, your prediction has Haley winning more. Don't you pay attention to what you post?

Chiefster
02-07-2009, 07:27 PM
:funnypost:
So people who just came here have no real outlook or in your oppinion can't state their oppinion? This is a Negative thread so I say let this cry baby B*tch about Mr Haley and if and when Haley proves differently and he tries to jump on the Haley band wagon he will look even more silly :lol:

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Pro_Angler
02-08-2009, 01:02 PM
Both John Gruden and Bill Cowher were available at the time we hired Haley as Chiefs coach, both men have won a Super Bowl yet Pioli passed them up for Mr Haley . I think your going to be surprised as to how good things will go for the team with him in charge.


I hope so because I am a chiefs fan good or bad..I'm just tired of the bad.

slc chief
02-08-2009, 01:05 PM
I hope so because I am a chiefs fan good or bad..I'm just tired of the bad.

there are brighter days ahead for kc i am confident in that

honda522
02-08-2009, 01:11 PM
I guess 2 out of 200 aint bad.
CP was all about profit - not about winning the SB. That was before he got greedy. I think he turned somewhere around 2000 or so.

hardcorechiefsfan
02-09-2009, 12:08 AM
Both John Gruden and Bill Cowher were available at the time we hired Haley as Chiefs coach, both men have won a Super Bowl yet Pioli passed them up for Mr Haley . I think your going to be surprised as to how good things will go for the team with him in charge.
Cowher was NOT available, he wanted to stay with the halftime show.

Pro_Angler
02-09-2009, 08:37 AM
Both John Gruden and Bill Cowher were available at the time we hired Haley as Chiefs coach, both men have won a Super Bowl yet Pioli passed them up for Mr Haley . I think your going to be surprised as to how good things will go for the team with him in charge.


UMMMM put down the bong, Gruden isnt a HC and Cowher was not and is not available..where have you been?? wow. THIS IS A BASH HALEY NEGATIVE THTREAD NOT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SUPPORT HIM .

dbolan
02-09-2009, 09:26 AM
Mike Tomlin was unproven as a head coach. Wasn't he a WR in college and a WR coach before Pitt? Hmm...He also had Lebeau to totally take care of the defense and allowed him to do so.

On another note, Haley will HAVE Pioli and Chan Gailey to provide help in the voids.

Canada
02-09-2009, 10:00 AM
UMMMM put down the bong, Gruden isnt a HC and Cowher was not and is not available..where have you been?? wow. THIS IS A BASH HALEY NEGATIVE THTREAD NOT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SUPPORT HIM .

ummmm....Gruden was a HC with the Bucs. :sign0098:

Bike
02-09-2009, 10:22 AM
ummmm....Gruden was a HC with the Bucs. :sign0098:
And won a superbowl! Gimme that bong!!

N TX Dave
02-09-2009, 10:25 AM
ummmm....Gruden was a HC with the Bucs. :sign0098:

I think he ment he is not currently a HC. Now is that because he didn't want it or no one wanted him???

Seek
02-09-2009, 10:38 AM
Unproven Smoven... We have had hired proven HC, who still failed... DV was our HC who already took two teams the superbowl. The Superbowl was a lock... NOPE... Herm was a proven coach who went to the play offs three out of 5 years... NOPE...

Anyone who is skeptical of a coach before even knowing anything about him, is just a bitter skeptical person. He has done nothing to deserve the negative talk he is getting.

I mean what are people afraid of. It is not like he is going to take a play off team and build them into a young 6-26 team.

Come on people, be a fan and wait to bash the guy based on stuff he actually did as HC. Not before you have any factual informaiton to base your opinion on.

Bike
02-09-2009, 10:39 AM
I think he ment he is not currently a HC. Now is that because he didn't want it or no one wanted him???
I think its because Gruden is a:armee_smilies076: :lamende::character00109:

Canada
02-09-2009, 10:44 AM
I think he ment he is not currently a HC. Now is that because he didn't want it or no one wanted him???

If he were using that logic then there would be no one to hire. If they are vailable it is because they are not currently coaching anywhere. Cowher is not currently a HC.

VintageMetal
02-09-2009, 12:04 PM
I am thoughly dissapointed over this lame *** choice.
There had to be someone with proper experience avalible besides this unproven person, If this is any
hint on what kind of decisions this new GM is going to make its just not going to be anything good for the chiefs,its no wonder Tony is wanting to jump ship,
and I am close to losing all faith in the Chiefs orginization...Anyone who was great here is either gone
or leaving,and i'm mad at the whole situation...

N TX Dave
02-09-2009, 12:07 PM
If he were using that logic then there would be no one to hire. If they are vailable it is because they are not currently coaching anywhere. Cowher is not currently a HC.

The orginal quote was "Originally Posted by Pro_Angler http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/redbar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117113#post117113)UMMMM put down the bong, Gruden isnt a HC and Cowher was not and is not available..where have you been?? wow. "

And someone said Gruden was the HC for Tampa.

After rereading it he might have been saying Gruden should not be a HC because he is not good enough like this from Bike:
I think its because Gruden is a:armee_smilies076: :lamende::character00109:

Bike
02-09-2009, 06:16 PM
I am thoughly dissapointed over this lame *** choice.
There had to be someone with proper experience avalible besides this unproven person, If this is any
hint on what kind of decisions this new GM is going to make its just not going to be anything good for the chiefs,its no wonder Tony is wanting to jump ship,
and I am close to losing all faith in the Chiefs orginization...Anyone who was great here is either gone
or leaving,and i'm mad at the whole situation...
OK genius. We tried 'proper experience' coaches last couple times. Didn't work out real well.
Maybe you should jump back on the bandwagon in a couple years when Pioli and Haley has turned this team into a perennial playoff contender.:sign0104:

hardcorechiefsfan
02-09-2009, 06:41 PM
Come on, let's be a little positive - oops, this isn't a positive thread. If you can't say anything negative, don't say anything at all.

Bike
02-09-2009, 06:47 PM
Come on, let's be a little positive - oops, this isn't a positive thread. If you can't say anything negative, don't say anything at all.
I thought I was kinda negative!:D

Pro_Angler
02-09-2009, 07:18 PM
ummmm....Gruden was a HC with the Bucs. :sign0098:
WAS...IS NOT ANYMORE. HE WAS AVAILABLE FOR US TO PICK UP BUT GLAD WE DIDNT.

Pro_Angler
02-09-2009, 07:20 PM
The orginal quote was "Originally Posted by Pro_Angler http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/redbar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117113#post117113)UMMMM put down the bong, Gruden isnt a HC and Cowher was not and is not available..where have you been?? wow. "

And someone said Gruden was the HC for Tampa.

After rereading it he might have been saying Gruden should not be a HC because he is not good enough like this from Bike:
I think its because Gruden is a:armee_smilies076: :lamende::character00109:

tY dAVE. I did mean that. Gruden was available but he is not a viable candidate, he is better off back in oakland, SD or denver...lol