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HokieChief 09
02-10-2009, 06:32 PM
Jordan Gross, in my opinion, would be a HUGE pickup for this team if we were able to get him this offseason(regarding whether they franchise him or Julius Peppers is up for debate right now). Yes, I have heard that the Panthers are going to pursue resigning the free agent LT, but that's not set in stone just yet. He's 29, and I think he could fit in great with this team. He's got experience, and he seems to be the premier tackle of this years free agent class. Go for him Pioli, we have plenty of cap and a tackle is a dire necessity for this team at this point.

ChiefsFanFromNY
02-10-2009, 06:37 PM
Pay him a huge contract to play RT? It doesn't make sense for the Chiefs.

HokieChief 09
02-10-2009, 06:41 PM
Yes it does. Why the hell not? We have the cap, we desperately need to hardware on that line, how does it not make sense?? He's a beast, any team would die to have a legit tackle like him. I don't know what Chiefs team you were watching last year, but nobody on our current Offensive Line's job should be secure.

Chief Tyler
02-10-2009, 06:54 PM
Jordan Gross, in my opinion, would be a HUGE pickup for this team if we were able to get him this offseason(regarding whether they franchise him or Julius Peppers is up for debate right now). Yes, I have heard that the Panthers are going to pursue resigning the free agent LT, but that's not set in stone just yet. He's 29, and I think he could fit in great with this team. He's got experience, and he seems to be the premier tackle of this years free agent class. Go for him Pioli, we have plenty of cap and a tackle is a dire necessity for this team at this point.

I think this is pretty much everybody's opinion, and a longshot dream too. They want to try and keep both players, I would want to sign Gross long term and franchise Peppers being that the latter wants out. I have a hard time believing the Chiefs, or any team for that matter, pick up either without a hefty price tag in terms of picks and cash.

Chief Tyler
02-10-2009, 06:56 PM
And all the better for us, I'm all for throwing most of our cap money at defensive personnel and bulking up the O-Line in the draft. There are a lot more star prospects on the offensive side of the ball than there are defense this year.

Coach
02-10-2009, 07:13 PM
Jordan Gross, in my opinion, would be a HUGE pickup for this team if we were able to get him this offseason(regarding whether they franchise him or Julius Peppers is up for debate right now). Yes, I have heard that the Panthers are going to pursue resigning the free agent LT, but that's not set in stone just yet. He's 29, and I think he could fit in great with this team. He's got experience, and he seems to be the premier tackle of this years free agent class. Go for him Pioli, we have plenty of cap and a tackle is a dire necessity for this team at this point.

It will be interesting to see how Carolina handles the Peppers and Gross situation. They drafted Otah last year and he played extremely well. The strength of the Carolina team is their running game. So I would imagine they would try to keep that in tact. Especially since there is a better than average chance that Carolina will be starting a rookie QB within the next 2 seasons. So while Otah gives them options at LT, I would expect them to try to keep Gross.

Peppers is a different scenario. I think they let him test free agency. He will demand a high price tag and he doesn't want to be on the team. He only had 2.5 sacks in 2007. He increased that output this year back to 14.5 sacks. Probably because it was a contract year. There are some major effort concerns with this guy. Will he still play hard after he gets his 20-30 million in guaranteed money? Ala Larry Johnson.

For those reasons, I see Carolina franchising Gross and letting Peppers hit the street. Especially considering Carolina could most likely grab one of the top 2 DE's in the 1st round of this year's draft.

HokieChief 09
02-10-2009, 07:42 PM
I agree with the Peppers statement, Coach. A lot of players in this league, not just LJ, have effort concerns once they get that fat paycheck (this would be why I oppose us trading for Matt Leinart). I actually think going after Julius Peppers is a risk or reward. It would obviously be an instant upgrade, but he does have questionable motivational issues. I agree, I'm not 100% about Julius Peppers.

But back to the point, depending on how Carolina handles Gross' situation, I think we should approach him regardless. He's a stud tackle, one that would go great opposite of Branden Albert. I want him as a Chief, as does pretty much every Chief fan. So if he is there, why not take a shot? Yes, we have other pressing needs (aka defensive line), but utilizing some(or a lot) of our cap money towards a tackle in free agency just makes sense to me. If we draft a QB in the first round, we should arguably get some more protection for him via freee agency. And, Chief Tyler, I do agree we could spend our cash on defensive line and whatnot, I definitely wouldn't disagree with that at all. But what I am trying to say is that our offensive line was putrid as well last season, so its obvious that we need to upgrade through the draft AND free agency.

jap1
02-10-2009, 08:00 PM
For those reasons, I see Carolina franchising Gross and letting Peppers hit the street. Especially considering Carolina could most likely grab one of the top 2 DE's in the 1st round of this year's draft.

FYI Carolina doesnt have a pick until the late 2nd round. They traded their 1st rounder to Philly. Their 1st pick would be #59 (#27 in 2nd round).

Pro_Angler
02-10-2009, 08:27 PM
I would love for the chiefs to pick up some of our needed spots outa free agency, and draft crabtree at 33 and stick it to seattle.. Crabtree/bowe/thigpen/gonzo yupperss +SB

ChiefsFanFromNY
02-10-2009, 08:49 PM
Yes it does. Why the hell not? We have the cap, we desperately need to hardware on that line, how does it not make sense?? He's a beast, any team would die to have a legit tackle like him. I don't know what Chiefs team you were watching last year, but nobody on our current Offensive Line's job should be secure.

Because you don't pay RT's the kind of money that Gross is going to demand, unless you have a left-handed QB. He's going to be one of the highest, if not the highest paid offensive lineman with his new contract. He will demand LT money. If we didn't have Albert at LT, and he was available then yeah I would be for it. But just because we have cap room does not mean that we should grossly overpay players.

We obviously need help on the right side of our line, but to invest 20-30 million of dollars of guaranteed money for one player in a position that isn't LT or protecting the blindside of the QB is insane.

Bike
02-10-2009, 09:28 PM
I would love for the chiefs to pick up some of our needed spots outa free agency, and draft crabtree at 33 and stick it to seattle.. Crabtree/bowe/thigpen/gonzo yupperss +SB
Disagree. Defense wins championships. Crabtree would be considered a luxury pick considering the holes we need to fill...

Bike
02-10-2009, 09:34 PM
Yes it does. Why the hell not? We have the cap, we desperately need to hardware on that line, how does it not make sense?? He's a beast, any team would die to have a legit tackle like him. I don't know what Chiefs team you were watching last year, but nobody on our current Offensive Line's job should be secure.
I want Alberts old teammate Monroe. We have glaring needs on D and would rather spend our cap there...

Canada
02-10-2009, 09:50 PM
Disagree. Defense wins championships. Crabtree would be considered a luxury pick considering the holes we need to fill...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lazeye
02-11-2009, 02:19 AM
I read in another post that getting crabtree would be like putting lipstick on a pig.:character00264:

theaxeeffect4311
02-11-2009, 03:37 AM
Because you don't pay RT's the kind of money that Gross is going to demand, unless you have a left-handed QB. He's going to be one of the highest, if not the highest paid offensive lineman with his new contract. He will demand LT money. If we didn't have Albert at LT, and he was available then yeah I would be for it. But just because we have cap room does not mean that we should grossly overpay players.

We obviously need help on the right side of our line, but to invest 20-30 million of dollars of guaranteed money for one player in a position that isn't LT or protecting the blindside of the QB is insane.

Fine. Make Gross the LT and make Albert play RT. Does that fix the problem? If Gross is available, then the Chiefs have to grab him. Let's not forget that McIntosh let so many sacks by that I would not care what kind of money the Chiefs pay for a RT, so whether it is Gross or Albert playing RT, the Chiefs need an upgrade. And it is not uncommon these days to have two tackles from the first round. The Chiefs need to upgrade the O-line badly. So if that cost a lot of money, I think it's worth it especially if it means protecting the QB who is going to be our biggest investment.

josh1971
02-11-2009, 04:15 AM
How many sacks did McIntosh let by?

hometeam
02-11-2009, 10:53 AM
I dont see Carolina letting Gross go, if they do, the chiefs wont be the only team thinking about him.

chiefnut
02-11-2009, 12:41 PM
if we can get gross, we can move albert to RT or RG, where he is better suited anyway, put gross at LT , keep rudy at C and we should have the makings for a pretty good line w/only one weak link.

Bike
02-11-2009, 01:32 PM
if we can get gross, we can move albert to RT or RG, where he is better suited anyway, put gross at LT , keep rudy at C and we should have the makings for a pretty good line w/only one weak link.
Yeah. Or grab Monroe with 3rd pick instead of Gross. I think Gross gets franchised.

ChiefsFanFromNY
02-11-2009, 02:20 PM
Fine. Make Gross the LT and make Albert play RT. Does that fix the problem? If Gross is available, then the Chiefs have to grab him. Let's not forget that McIntosh let so many sacks by that I would not care what kind of money the Chiefs pay for a RT, so whether it is Gross or Albert playing RT, the Chiefs need an upgrade. And it is not uncommon these days to have two tackles from the first round. The Chiefs need to upgrade the O-line badly. So if that cost a lot of money, I think it's worth it especially if it means protecting the QB who is going to be our biggest investment.

Fair enough. I just don't think moving Albert is needed. He was probably the second best rookie tackle this year behind Clady. He proved this year he can be a franchise LT. We desperately need help on the right side, but I think we can find that through the draft in rounds 2-4 and free agency. Not signing Gross who will be paid a HUGE contract. Overpaying a right tackle just does not make sense when we have so many other needs on this football team.

yashi
02-11-2009, 02:29 PM
Fair enough. I just don't think moving Albert is needed. He was probably the second best rookie tackle this year behind Clady. He proved this year he can be a franchise LT. We desperately need help on the right side, but I think we can find that through the draft in rounds 2-4 and free agency. Not signing Gross who will be paid a HUGE contract. Overpaying a right tackle just does not make sense when we have so many other needs on this football team.
I disagree that Albert proved he can be a franchise LT.

He proved that he can be a franchise LT in a spread offense. Quarterbacks naturally get sacked less when they're constantly in a shotgun, not to mention when they can scramble as well as Tyler Thigpen. But watching Albert before the Jets game I wasn't at all sold on him as our LT of the future. Maybe it was rust from missing training camp, or maybe it wasn't, who knows. All I know is that Jordan Gross is a pro bowl LT in an NFL offense, and I still strongly feel that Albert is a pro bowl G or an average to good NFL LT, take your pick.

Overspending on your offensive line is a good thing, in my opinion. It helps keep teams from wasting valuable money on positions like RB.

Bike
02-11-2009, 02:35 PM
I disagree that Albert proved he can be a franchise LT.

He proved that he can be a franchise LT in a spread offense. Quarterbacks naturally get sacked less when they're constantly in a shotgun, not to mention when they can scramble as well as Tyler Thigpen. But watching Albert before the Jets game I wasn't at all sold on him as our LT of the future. Maybe it was rust from missing training camp, or maybe it wasn't, who knows. All I know is that Jordan Gross is a pro bowl LT in an NFL offense, and I still strongly feel that Albert is a pro bowl G or an average to good NFL LT, take your pick.

Overspending on your offensive line is a good thing, in my opinion. It helps keep teams from wasting valuable money on positions like RB.
Excellent point!!!:bananen_smilies046:
But bear in mind Pioli aint Peterson. No more huge contracts for washed up RB's!

theaxeeffect4311
02-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Excellent point!!!:bananen_smilies046:
But bear in mind Pioli aint Peterson. No more huge contracts for washed up RB's!

But Pioli does put emphasis on linemen. I see him improving the O-line through the draft and the D-line through free agency (because there are little to none FA O-linemen worth grabbing). If we improve those two areas, the rest of the team will look better. If Gross does become a FA, which at this point it looks like he'll be hit with the franchise tag, the Chiefs have to make a run for him. Albert was drafted for his versatility on the line, so they can move him while using Gross to protect the blindside. Big contracts are not a bad thing if they are spend on the right players. Gross has been consistently good over the years and would be a great addition to the Chiefs.

DT14PRIEST
02-12-2009, 03:37 PM
ON the topic of Gross I belive Carolina is gonna put the franchise tag on him and release JP. Gross could of been a staple on the rightside of the line but I doubt he'll be avalible seeing as how the Franchise tag for him is something like only ~9 million.

chiefsfreak4life
02-14-2009, 12:26 PM
ON the topic of Gross I belive Carolina is gonna put the franchise tag on him and release JP. Gross could of been a staple on the rightside of the line but I doubt he'll be avalible seeing as how the Franchise tag for him is something like only ~9 million.

Anyone know who is getting the franchise tag in Carolina yet?
Either would be a good pick up, but I would rather have Peppers.

Chiefster
02-14-2009, 01:30 PM
But Pioli does put emphasis on linemen. I see him improving the O-line through the draft and the D-line through free agency

That would work!


If we improve those two areas, the rest of the team will look better...

EXACTLY!

kuchief
02-15-2009, 04:47 PM
I'd love it. I guess I don't understand the reason why it's a big deal if he's a RT. It's a bad thing to have a good RT? only the left side of the line is important?