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honda522
02-12-2009, 10:04 PM
So my friend told me this little motto I guess is what you would call it, and I think it is very true.

I believe the Chiefs shouldn't abandon the run no matter who is the back. In some of the games that we were ahead in pass plays were being called. Had they called running plays they would of atleast burned time off the clock, and threw less INT's.

What do you think of the motto?

Vandelay
02-12-2009, 11:03 PM
You also play to win the game , we all know how that turned out.

hermhater
02-12-2009, 11:19 PM
I think it's a great motto when you can actually get a back past the line of scrimmage.

honda522
02-12-2009, 11:44 PM
You also play to win the game , we all know how that turned out.



Well this isn't a Herm Edwards speech from retards for retards.


But it gives me laughs every time I watch it.

hermhater
02-12-2009, 11:56 PM
I have a Honda Civic.

honda522
02-12-2009, 11:57 PM
:sign0153:
I have a Honda Civic.
:lol:

hermhater
02-13-2009, 12:12 AM
To get back on track, it really killed us when Herm got here.

Sucks when you have Hall of Fame linemen retire and tell the press rather than the organization.

Chiefster
02-13-2009, 12:28 AM
I think it's a great motto when you can actually get a back past the line of scrimmage.

Eggsactly!

Pro_Angler
02-13-2009, 12:29 AM
here is the thing to this scenerio you present. If your defense sucks then you cannot "run to win". i don't care if we are up 2 td's it's not ever enough as we found out several times this year.

Lazeye
02-13-2009, 12:40 AM
here is the thing to this scenerio you present. If your defense sucks then you cannot "run to win". i don't care if we are up 2 td's it's not ever enough as we found out several times this year.
I agree

honda522
02-13-2009, 01:03 AM
here is the thing to this scenerio you present. If your defense sucks then you cannot "run to win". i don't care if we are up 2 td's it's not ever enough as we found out several times this year.
Your thinking to deep man. Pass the ball to score when you are down, but when you are ahead you keep the ball on the ground.

It has nothing to do with defense.

Canada
02-13-2009, 01:05 AM
here is the thing to this scenerio you present. If your defense sucks then you cannot "run to win". i don't care if we are up 2 td's it's not ever enough as we found out several times this year.

that is because we did not run!

texaschief
02-13-2009, 02:57 AM
I have a Honda Civic.

THIS IS AN 82 HONDA... HOW DARE YOU!!

hermhater
02-13-2009, 03:15 AM
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2009/02/18.jpg

Big Daddy Tek
02-13-2009, 03:37 AM
So my friend told me this little motto I guess is what you would call it, and I think it is very true.

I believe the Chiefs shouldn't abandon the run no matter who is the back. In some of the games that we were ahead in pass plays were being called. Had they called running plays they would of atleast burned time off the clock, and threw less INT's.

What do you think of the motto?

Wow. Do you really think that Herm Edwards ( the most conservative, boring coach in football) would not want to run the ball to finish out games? Dude, this is football 101. WE COULD NOT RUN THE BALL BEHIND THAT JOKE OF AN O-LINE. Thats why ended up in the spread formation to begin with. We lost the Jets game because we TRIED to run the ball in the 4th quarter 3 times in a row. We gained 8 yards and punted. Brett Favre threw the winning touchdown inside the last minute and we lost. Running was not an option last year. Thier was not ONE SINGLE game lost because we passed when we should have run. You can argue the exact opposite.

Your friends quote is a very valid one, unfortunatly it has no bearing on anything that happened last year with the Chiefs. At all. Period.

slc chief
02-13-2009, 09:07 AM
Wow. Do you really think that Herm Edwards ( the most conservative, boring coach in football) would not want to run the ball to finish out games? Dude, this is football 101. WE COULD NOT RUN THE BALL BEHIND THAT JOKE OF AN O-LINE. Thats why ended up in the spread formation to begin with. We lost the Jets game because we TRIED to run the ball in the 4th quarter 3 times in a row. We gained 8 yards and punted. Brett Favre threw the winning touchdown inside the last minute and we lost. Running was not an option last year. Thier was not ONE SINGLE game lost because we passed when we should have run. You can argue the exact opposite.

Your friends quote is a very valid one, unfortunatly it has no bearing on anything that happened last year with the Chiefs. At all. Period.

well said

wildcat
02-13-2009, 10:18 AM
You also have to outscore the other team to win. That doesn't mean you have to have a shootout, but you do have to control the line of scrimage. If you can't do that then you aren't going to run the clock down anyway because you're not going to move the chains.

honda522
02-13-2009, 11:28 AM
MY GOD, you guys are taking this out of context. Theoretically, this is for every team, and in theory, your not behind and you don't have the worlds worst defense.

This is not about the "Herm Edwards Chiefs", this is about a team that is good, like Indy or Pittsburgh, or NE, LIKE THE CHIEFS WILL BE IN A FEW YEARS.

chief31
02-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Meh...

I like a passing offense. But there is no doubt that you need to be able to run, in certain situations.

If you can't run the ball, you wind-up being The Cardinals.

A bad team.

Just because their division sucked historically, and they managed to get a couple of wins at the right time, doesn't mean that they are a good team.

The NFC West was outscored by 373 points, with The Cards being the only team to outscore opponents. They scored 1 point more.

And they were lucky enough to have gotten to play six of their games against those other crappy NFC West teams.

I do feel like you need to be able to run the ball. But not so much in your motto.

Chief4Ever&Ever
02-13-2009, 02:55 PM
You have to run to be able to pass but a good running game is not essential to a being a great team! Look at the SuperBowl champ Steelers. Willie is an ok back at best... They had a great defense, a decent QB and a great O line!!

Having a good RB takes some pressure off of the QB...

Codac
02-13-2009, 03:14 PM
You have to run to be able to pass but a good running game is not essential to a being a great team! Look at the SuperBowl champ Steelers. Willie is an ok back at best... They had a great defense, a decent QB and a great O line!!

Having a good RB takes some pressure off of the QB...


Anyway its true. The run sets EVERYTHING up. Look at our offense at the end of the season. We were more balanced than Herm's run heavy offense. You can not win with just the run.

yashi
02-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Meh...

I like a passing offense. But there is no doubt that you need to be able to run, in certain situations.

If you can't run the ball, you wind-up being The Cardinals.

A bad team.

Just because their division sucked historically, and they managed to get a couple of wins at the right time, doesn't mean that they are a good team.

The NFC West was outscored by 373 points, with The Cards being the only team to outscore opponents. They scored 1 point more.

And they were lucky enough to have gotten to play six of their games against those other crappy NFC West teams.

I do feel like you need to be able to run the ball. But not so much in your motto.
They came 1 defensive stop from winning the Super Bowl, yet they're a bad team? :sign0153:

Codac
02-13-2009, 03:29 PM
Meh...

I like a passing offense. But there is no doubt that you need to be able to run, in certain situations.

If you can't run the ball, you wind-up being The Cardinals.

A bad team.

Just because their division sucked historically, and they managed to get a couple of wins at the right time, doesn't mean that they are a good team.

The NFC West was outscored by 373 points, with The Cards being the only team to outscore opponents. They scored 1 point more.

And they were lucky enough to have gotten to play six of their games against those other crappy NFC West teams.

I do feel like you need to be able to run the ball. But not so much in your motto.

The Cardinals just didn't know when to run and throw in the Super Bowl. They kept doing both in the wrong situation. Eventually they ditched it and what do you know, they lost.

honda522
02-13-2009, 04:06 PM
They came 1 defensive stop from winning the Super Bowl, yet they're a bad team? :sign0153:
I agree, it doesnt make them a bad team, but they could have been better. Obviously if they would of been 2 plays better they could have won.

Bottom line is the Chiefs need to get an O-line back so they can run.

Pro_Angler
02-13-2009, 08:20 PM
Yea run the ball punt..they score...run the ball punt...they score we lose..as usual.

honda522
02-13-2009, 08:32 PM
Yea run the ball punt..they score...run the ball punt...they score we lose..as usual.
again, its taken out of context. this isnt run run pass punt. :|

Hayvern
02-14-2009, 08:14 PM
Your thinking to deep man. Pass the ball to score when you are down, but when you are ahead you keep the ball on the ground.

It has nothing to do with defense.

It has everything to do with defense. You get a score or two ahead and the conventional wisdom is you run the ball. Provided the defense does not give up two huge plays where you end being tied, or down again. Now all that time you ran off the clock comes back to haunt you since you do not have enough time to score.

Point is you have to have a well rounded team to win. When you have that, then having a good running attack will help you win games. A good running attack alone will not get it done.

AkChief49
02-14-2009, 09:00 PM
You have to run to be able to pass but a good running game is not essential to a being a great team! Look at the SuperBowl champ Steelers. Willie is an ok back at best... They had a great defense, a decent QB and a great O line!!

Having a good RB takes some pressure off of the QB...The Steelers were ranked two spots ahead of us in total offense(22nd&24th) they did not have a great o-line. They had a big QB who could make things happen even if he was sacked 46 times(2nd most behind Cassell with 47) this year. The Steelers D won a few for them this last year.

chief31
02-18-2009, 09:49 AM
They came 1 defensive stop from winning the Super Bowl, yet they're a bad team? :sign0153:

Yes. Aside from four good playoff games, they did squat.

They just happened to play well, once they were GIVEN a playoff spot.


Yea run the ball punt..they score...run the ball punt...they score we lose..as usual.

That would be being unable to run the ball. If you can run the ball and move the chains, then you can be considered to be successfully running the ball. Therefore, it is run, run, run, punt.

prough91
02-18-2009, 12:06 PM
I like the motto, but I like mine better. "If it burns when you p!ss, pray it's not syph.

Bike
02-18-2009, 07:01 PM
My motto:
Women - can't live with 'em,
pass the beer nuts.

Canada
02-18-2009, 07:39 PM
Cheers Boys

Here's to you and
Here's to me
The best of friends We'll always be
But if in time we Disagree
F#@K you, and here's to me!!:bananen_smilies046:

Coach
02-18-2009, 08:55 PM
I like the motto, but I like mine better. "If it burns when you p!ss, pray it's not syph.

:lol: :funnypost: