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luv
07-30-2007, 10:47 PM
Just thinking how LJ ranks to LT. He's no LT, but he's not that far behind. The Vikings signed rookie Peterson for more than we are offering LJ, and he has a major injury on his record AND has never played a down in the NFL. LJ may be no LT, but he definitely plays a vital role on this team. I think that Carl needs to take some of that money from the increased price of tickets and parking and give some of it to LJ instead of pocketing it. I know it's a business to him, but you still have to know what your largest assets are worth. It's worth paying a little more now rather than screwing yourself in the long run.

Anyway, enough rambling...what do you think LJ is worth? And I mean to us, not what kind of deals we can get in a trade situation.

Chiefster
07-30-2007, 11:01 PM
20 mil. I think is more then fair.

Coach
07-30-2007, 11:27 PM
I think his contract should be incentive based. If he gets run into the ground like last year, I think he should make more than LT money. If he carried the load of a normal RB, then I'd say he should be paid slightly less than LT money.

luv
07-30-2007, 11:49 PM
I think his contract should be incentive based. If he gets run into the ground like last year, I think he should make more than LT money. If he carried the load of a normal RB, then I'd say he should be paid slightly less than LT money.
IMO, he's already proven his worth. Looking at who we've got for possible backups, and our QB situation, I'd say the likelihood of him seeing a lot of carries again this year is pretty great.

Chiefster
07-30-2007, 11:51 PM
IMO, he's already proven his worth. Looking at who we've got for possible backups, and our QB situation, I'd say the likelihood of him seeing a lot of carries again this year is pretty great.


I don't disagree that LJ will, once a deal is struck, see the majority of carries, but I don't see another 416 carry season for him.

Coach
07-31-2007, 12:31 AM
I don't disagree that LJ will, once a deal is struck, see the majority of carries, but I don't see another 416 carry season for him.

Me either. Espcecially if Priest can limp onto the field for 3rd downs.

Chiefster
07-31-2007, 12:33 AM
Me either. Espcecially if Priest can limp onto the field for 3rd downs.


Plus splitting time with Bennett.

Guru
07-31-2007, 12:52 AM
I think his contract should be incentive based. If he gets run into the ground like last year, I think he should make more than LT money. If he carried the load of a normal RB, then I'd say he should be paid slightly less than LT money.

I think all contracts should be incentive based. I am tired of guaranteed money.

That being said, I do think the Adrien Peterson contracts almost forces us to give him at least 18 million guaranteed and 50 mil over 5 years.

luv
07-31-2007, 12:53 AM
I think all contracts should be incentive based. I am tired of guaranteed money.

That being said, I do think the Adrien Peterson contracts almost forces us to give him at least 18 million guaranteed and 50 mil over 5 years.
Agreed. :sign0098:

Chiefster
07-31-2007, 12:53 AM
I think all contracts should be incentive based. I am tired of guaranteed money.

That being said, I do think the Adrien Peterson contracts almost forces us to give him at least 18 million guaranteed and 50 mil over 5 years.


...If Peterson parts with that kind of money.

Guru
07-31-2007, 12:56 AM
...If Peterson parts with that kind of money.

Wait a minute....

Kenny? Is that you?

Chiefster
07-31-2007, 12:59 AM
Wait a minute....

Kenny? Is that you?


Thems fightin words! :sign0103: :mob: :p

sling58
08-04-2007, 08:57 AM
I think that he should get paid more that AP got in Minnesota. I live about 15 minutes from Norman and have meet Adrian and seen him play in person. AP is good but he is no LJ. LJ would run over AP anyday and should be paid for that. LT ranks 1 even though I get a sharp pain saying that since he plays for the wrong team, but Larry is right on his heels. LJ won't have the 400+ carries like he did last year but I do predict that he will give LT a run for that TD title next year as long as our line shows up to play. So CP pull out your check book pay LJ and give him the ball. If you want to hoist that trophy at the end of the year your going to need Mr. Johnson, and I don't mean Derrick Johnson.

chief31
08-04-2007, 09:52 AM
I think that he should get paid more that AP got in Minnesota. I live about 15 minutes from Norman and have meet Adrian and seen him play in person. AP is good but he is no LJ. LJ would run over AP anyday and should be paid for that. LT ranks 1 even though I get a sharp pain saying that since he plays for the wrong team, but Larry is right on his heels. LJ won't have the 400+ carries like he did last year but I do predict that he will give LT a run for that TD title next year as long as our line shows up to play. So CP pull out your check book pay LJ and give him the ball. If you want to hoist that trophy at the end of the year your going to need Mr. Johnson, and I don't mean Derrick Johnson.

Larry Johnson is nowhere near the talent that Ladanian is. Not in any aspect of the game. Not as a runner, a reciever, a blocker, nor as a passer. Maybe reward him for what he has accomplished, by giving him a raise, for this year, but, I don't want to see the Chiefs unload a truck for several years of contract, until he proves that he can do more than one thing. If he learns to put fourth the same effort in the rest of his game, that he does when running up-the-middle, then he would have proven himself. Until then I wouldn't make a long-term commitment to the guy.

zona chief
08-04-2007, 05:22 PM
LJ is a great player who has deceptive speed and is a bruiser. He deserves a butt load of money because the market has pushed it. With that said he does not deserve what his agents are looking for. LT is a complete player & can do all aspects required in a RB. LJ is better at blocking & his hands are getting softer, but he is not there yet.

Personally I think athletes are ridiculously paid to play games. Bottom line is we all need to take blame for allowing this to happen. If we didn't pay the prices to make the owners money, the owners wouldn't have the money for the (leaches) agents to pull from. I understand the hazards of the NFL and in one play the career is gone. Naturally they want to make sure they are financially set. I would be right there if it were me.
The system has allowed this to happen.

The post referencing AP's money is where the problem needs to be resolved. If the NFL would slot rookies like the NBA it would solve several problems. Everyone would be in camp on time & it wouldn't allow veteran players the room to say look at the money this unproven kid gets, so I need more than him. If I'm not mistaken I think all of the NBA rookies are under contract including 1 & 2.

My last rant is the players ability to have a good year and then hold out for a new contract with 2-3 years left. I know someone will argue that management can terminate the players anytime, but they can't recoup any up front money. If a player doesn't perform like expected shouldn't the team be able to recoup some of the front money??

Sorry for the rant, this is just a great place to get it off my chest.

As a new member I really appreciate all of the posts without the drama. Keep posting & Go Chiefs!!

DrunkHillbilly
08-04-2007, 11:05 PM
I think all contracts should be incentive based. I am tired of guaranteed money.

That being said, I do think the Adrien Peterson contracts almost forces us to give him at least 18 million guaranteed and 50 mil over 5 years.

All contracts have only partial guarantees. When guys sign deals for $60 mil over 6 years, they will never reach that mark with out renegotiating before the term of the contract is up.

Chiefster
08-04-2007, 11:17 PM
All contracts have only partial guarantees. When guys sign deals for $60 mil over 6 years, they will never reach that mark with out renegotiating before the term of the contract is up.


Yeah, a player would have to have Marcus Allen staying power and continue to perform at a high level to get all that.

AkChief49
08-10-2007, 10:40 PM
What is he worth? I don't know but everytime I see the Playoff game(07) with the Colts, I wanna throw up when I see him trying to pass block!! sorry but until he can be the "complete" back he is not worth the 28 mil he's asking for. 18 mil guar. 6 yr 55 mil deal -IMO

luv
08-10-2007, 11:23 PM
What is he worth? I don't know but everytime I see the Playoff game(07) with the Colts, I wanna throw up when I see him trying to pass block!! sorry but until he can be the "complete" back he is not worth the 28 mil he's asking for. 18 mil guar. 6 yr 55 mil deal -IMO
Pretty fair, IMO. Although, I was think 20M guaranteed.

Canada
08-10-2007, 11:25 PM
Is there any real difference between 17 mil and 20 mil besides ego??

luv
08-10-2007, 11:30 PM
Is there any real difference between 17 mil and 20 mil besides ego??
What would you do if you didn't feel that you were getting paid what you were worth? And not just in your profession, but for the company you work for?

Canada
08-10-2007, 11:31 PM
If the difference was between 17 and 20 million, I would go to work

luv
08-10-2007, 11:34 PM
If the difference was between 17 and 20 million, I would go to work
Let's put it into relative terms. $17-20K?

Canada
08-10-2007, 11:37 PM
No doubt I would want more money, but I would not stop showing up to work. And we are not talking about 17 k to 20 k, we are talking 17 mil to 20 mil. 17k won't feed my family, 17 mil will!

luv
08-10-2007, 11:39 PM
No doubt I would want more money, but I would not stop showing up to work.
Then that would make you a better person than LJ, IMO. This is what he feels he has to do to get what he feels he's worth.

Canada
08-10-2007, 11:39 PM
Then that would make you a better person than LJ, IMO. This is what he feels he has to do to get what he feels he's worth.

That is the ego that I was talking about.

luv
08-10-2007, 11:42 PM
That is the ego that I was talking about.
I can see that point, and I agree. It's not the only thing that could be factoring into it though. Whenever players with less experience and proven ability are signing better contrats than you, though....

Canada
08-11-2007, 12:32 AM
I can see that point, and I agree. It's not the only thing that could be factoring into it though. Whenever players with less experience and proven ability are signing better contrats than you, though....

I am sure LJ feels the same way most of us do, i think we all know that it comes down to some greasy agent whose main concern is his 14% comission. Greasy agents.....
:drunkhb:

Chiefster
08-11-2007, 02:07 AM
Heck I'd suit up for the league minimum, but then again I'm old, short, fat and slow.

Chiefster
08-11-2007, 02:08 AM
I am sure LJ feels the same way most of us do, i think we all know that it comes down to some greasy agent whose main concern is his 14% comission. Greasy agents.....
:drunkhb:

This is at the heart of the majority of contract problems in the NFL IMO. They're like the league teamsters.

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 02:11 AM
Everyone has to remember one thing about LT. He is a great , Great back , but so was Emmitt behind the superb Dallas line in the 90's . LT wouldn't have been a super hero with what LJ had protecting him. Yeah he had alot of touchdowns but LJ would have as many if we could have got the ball down to the 3 yard line that many times. LT can catch out of the backfield better and thats a huge bonus. LJ need to catch and block better but he is in no way less of a back than LT. LJ is a freak of nature doing what he did with what he had to work with . LT had a stacked team to help him do the things he did.This of course is my opinion and my belief so take it with a grain of salt. { Just how I feel }I say give him what he deserves , at least 24 . Keep in mind I am basing this on how much his team needs him to be a productive offense, Otherwise what we have is a one time pro bowl back in Bennett who only went to the pro bowl once because he was hurt in one way or another every other year. Next we have an older vet who was the best there was two years ago ( the last time he played ) .Who we don't know is even 1/10 of what he was . And a rookie who needs experience to find out what he will become. WE NEED LARRY JOHNSON ! I don't care if I get raked over the coals for this statement . I believe strongly that we will suck severely without him.

Chiefster
08-11-2007, 02:17 AM
Everyone has to remember one thing about LT. He is a great , Great back , but so was Emmitt behind the superb Dallas line in the 90's . LT wouldn't have been a super hero with what LJ had protecting him. Yeah he had alot of touchdowns but LJ would have as many if we could have got the ball down to the 3 yard line that many times. LT can catch out of the backfield better and thats a huge bonus. LJ need to catch and block better but he is in no way less of a back than LT. LJ is a freak of nature doing what he did with what he had to work with . LT had a stacked team to help him do the things he did.This of course is my opinion and my belief so take it with a grain of salt. { Just how I feel }I say give him what he deserves , at least 24 . Keep in mind I am basing this on how much his team needs him to be a productive offense, Otherwise what we have is a one time pro bowl back in Bennett who only went to the pro bowl once because he was hurt in one way or another every other year. Next we have an older vet who was the best there was two years ago ( the last time he played ) .Who we don't know is even 1/10 of what he was . And a rookie who needs experience to find out what he will become. WE NEED LARRY JOHNSON ! I don't care if I get raked over the coals for this statement . I believe strongly that we will suck severely without him.

I don't subscribe to the notion that any one player is indispensable. Will we be as good without him? No. Can we win without him? Time will tell; I think we can and may have to. JMHO

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 02:34 AM
Larry Johnson is nowhere near the talent that Ladanian is. Not in any aspect of the game. Not as a runner, a reciever, a blocker, nor as a passer. Maybe reward him for what he has accomplished, by giving him a raise, for this year, but, I don't want to see the Chiefs unload a truck for several years of contract, until he proves that he can do more than one thing. If he learns to put fourth the same effort in the rest of his game, that he does when running up-the-middle, then he would have proven himself. Until then I wouldn't make a long-term commitment to the guy.

Think back to last year and tell me who carried the team on his back . Sure we had a few good trick pass plays to the corner of the endzone , but larry was the brunt of the offense and did it without a highpowered line blocking for him.he was only afforded one way to run the ball. yeah I was pissed watching drop a few passes last year but he was money whenever he carried the ball. We could say one man is not the answer and we should never unload a truck to keep him. We could also just be average and only have players who are worth the average salary and be average at best for another 30 plus years. If a Superbowl team is not what we are looking for we could get rid of him . I spend my hard earned money to watch him play . The tickets and parking gets higher and where is that money going ? Toward new luxury boxes for the fatcats . This blue collar guy doesnt want a luxury box . I say we try and get better by paying the workhorses. I really think he has more than proven himself.

Chiefster
08-11-2007, 02:43 AM
Think back to last year and tell me who carried the team on his back . Sure we had a few good trick pass plays to the corner of the endzone , but larry was the brunt of the offense and did it without a highpowered line blocking for him.he was only afforded one way to run the ball. yeah I was pissed watching drop a few passes last year but he was money whenever he carried the ball. We could say one man is not the answer and we should never unload a truck to keep him. We could also just be average and only have players who are worth the average salary and be average at best for another 30 plus years. If a Superbowl team is not what we are looking for we could get rid of him . I spend my hard earned money to watch him play . The tickets and parking gets higher and where is that money going ? I say we try and get better by paying the workhorses. I really think he has more than proven himself.

...Agreed he's done as much. It is going to take Carl Peterson letting go of more money then he wants and Larry Johnson settling for less then what he's asking to resolve this matter. IMO

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 02:49 AM
I aggree carl is the problem and Larry needs to bend a little. Good posting Chiefster:bananen_smilies046:

Chiefster
08-11-2007, 02:52 AM
I aggree carl is the problem and Larry needs to bend a little. Good posting Chiefster:bananen_smilies046:

I like yer passion. :)

Guru
08-11-2007, 02:53 AM
...Agreed he's done as much. It is going to take Carl Peterson letting go of more money then he wants and Larry Johnson settling for less then what he's asking to resolve this matter. IMO

Gee, negotiating. What a concept.

Chiefster
08-11-2007, 02:55 AM
Gee, negotiating. What a concept.


Heh! Yeah go figure. :)

spiman
08-11-2007, 05:48 AM
What happened to the concept of contract? You sign u play...Period..The fines are not big enough. (Chump change to them). Trade? Did we get enough for Trent? Should King Carl bend? Beef up "o" line at least for the Q'back-He is going to need it-Oh blitz...

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 06:05 AM
Sad part is what are we getting in trade for LJ ? First Round Picks don't mean anything if they flake out or get hurt. Its a crap shoot in the draft. there has been many players who come around later in the draft that are much better than the ones getting drafted in round 1. Larry is tried and true and deserves more than what hes getting . How would you feel if you were him? he got the piss ran out of him last year and he held up. he knows any moment he could go down with a career ending injury and that would be it. He went way above what was expected of him last season and therefore he should restructure his contract. I keep coming back to how much more valuable LJ is to us compared to how valuable LT is to the chargers. Not even close . LJ is way more valuable to his team .

spiman
08-11-2007, 06:55 AM
What sucks is everybody is right! But at what x-pense?
Compared to $$ teams the chiefs are cheap! If I were LJ -I'd play for love of the game.(not) But-Were stuck at $$. I am a firm believer of the "O" line first, 2nd Q back, and the running back 3'rd...etc Do the chiefs have enough running backs? We shall see how this drama plays out. Is this a soap? That's why they get the big bucks. From fellow N.D. Jamestown born..I give up!

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 07:01 AM
http://kcchiefsradio.com/Audio/Larry%20Johnson%2097yd%20TD%20Run.mp3

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 07:03 AM
All I know is I love to hear " TOUCHDOWN KAAANSAS CITY!! " And I hope LJ is there this season to make that happen.

spiman
08-11-2007, 07:07 AM
Ditto Fellow D-Kota

YZILLA
08-11-2007, 07:10 AM
http://www.myspace.com/yzilla

I started this a few days ago . It's not finished yet

Guru
08-21-2007, 03:39 PM
I think all contracts should be incentive based. I am tired of guaranteed money.

That being said, I do think the Adrien Peterson contracts almost forces us to give him at least 18 million guaranteed and 50 mil over 5 years.

I wasn't too far off guys.

Chiefster
08-21-2007, 04:09 PM
I wasn't too far off guys.


That is why you are the Guru!

peekaboo224
08-22-2007, 12:38 AM
LJ is a good RB and carried the team on his back last year when the rest of the offense wasn't producing. However, I think the guaranteed money is a little out of whack. It is for almost all sports. Someone had mentioned earlier that they deserve the money as they may get hurt and their career is over. Well, a lot of people have those types of careers but don't get paid crap.

I'm glad LJ signed and is back. I just think the money thing for most players is ridiculous. When the rookies sign big contracts and not even play a game. Contracts should all be incentive based. Most of the time it seems that players get worse after signing big contracts.

zona chief
08-22-2007, 12:48 AM
My sentiments exactly!!!!

YZILLA
08-22-2007, 02:17 AM
Its over now , He wont save this season but at least we stand a fighting chance. Im glad hes back. Go Chiefs!

luv
08-22-2007, 02:37 AM
My sentiments exactly!!!!
Is that you on the left in your signature? You look almost identical to a guy I used to work with.

Chiefster
08-22-2007, 03:59 AM
Is that you on the left in your signature? You look almost identical to a guy I used to work with.


I recognize the guy on the right. :D

Canada
08-22-2007, 04:57 PM
LJ is a good RB and carried the team on his back last year when the rest of the offense wasn't producing. However, I think the guaranteed money is a little out of whack. It is for almost all sports. Someone had mentioned earlier that they deserve the money as they may get hurt and their career is over. Well, a lot of people have those types of careers but don't get paid crap.

I'm glad LJ signed and is back. I just think the money thing for most players is ridiculous. When the rookies sign big contracts and not even play a game. Contracts should all be incentive based. Most of the time it seems that players get worse after signing big contracts.

If you ask around here...Huard was the offense last year. Second best QB in the league.

swmochiefsfan
08-22-2007, 05:28 PM
I'm just glad he's in camp

m0ef0e
08-23-2007, 05:52 PM
If you ask around here...Huard was the offense last year. Second best QB in the league.

:lol: Do I smell sarcasm? Of course we all should know that the Chiefs' offensive playbook is titled "Larry Johnson". While Huard deserves credit for playing mistake-free and doing a good job off the bench, there's no way he would have had as high of a passer rating without 8 guys looking at LJ every play.

Canada
08-23-2007, 07:02 PM
:lol: Do I smell sarcasm? Of course we all should know that the Chiefs' offensive playbook is titled "Larry Johnson". While Huard deserves credit for playing mistake-free and doing a good job off the bench, there's no way he would have had as high of a passer rating without 8 guys looking at LJ every play.

Finally!!! Someone gets it!! :bananen_smilies046:

DrunkHillbilly
08-23-2007, 07:17 PM
Finally!!! Someone gets it!! :bananen_smilies046:

I think the QB position this year will be required to "not lose games" for us rather than win them.

Canada
08-23-2007, 07:28 PM
I think the QB position this year will be required to "not lose games" for us rather than win them.

With a weak o-line, Maybe we will need a QB that can win games. Have another option to LJ.

DrunkHillbilly
08-23-2007, 10:21 PM
With a weak o-line, Maybe we will need a QB that can win games. Have another option to LJ.

Uhhhhh, well then we are in DEEP ****!!!:toast2:

Canada
08-23-2007, 10:22 PM
Uhhhhh, well then we are in DEEP ****!!!:toast2:

so far it would appear so :drunkhb: