Arizonas Offensive and Defensive Coordinator Running our Team

[Big Daddy Tek]

Well, we have the offensive and defensive coordinator of a 9-7 team. I guess that leaves the difference in the rosters. Do we have a better roster than Arizona had last year? If its worse, are we worse, or will we be different? Maybe Chan Gailey is the exception. Whats your opinion?

[PawnshopMarimba]

Nah, I think Arizona's a little better.

[brish]

Don't forget Pioli in this mix.. He will be doing all he can to make sure this team will work out. Hopefully he will continue to try and emulate some of what made it work in NE. :)

[drstandley31]

As long as carl and herm are gone, I don't care who's running it. Once we make some moves on OL and DL, we'll be OK. I think we have bright spots, but until the lines are set, we're in trouble.

[127markaz]

IMO, AZ's got the better talent.
Defense appears most vulnerable. Pendergast only became a star in the playoffs and the SB. His D gave up HUGE points and big plays all season. Whisenhunt didn't cut him loose because he's the best DC in the league.

[okikcfan]

Pioli in the mix is a big factor plus Haley is now a HC, with a good draft and the talent we already have and some real coaching, I see good things happening this year.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

If your basing things strictly on talent, Az has the advantage hands down at almost every position. Pioli in the mix may affect things but this year will still be a learning process. I wouldn't expect too much.

[tornadospotter]

I expect the coaches and players to be CHIEFS!!!!!

[chief31]

I am extremely worried about it.

The Cards were 9-7 in the only division that was actually worse than the AFC West was this season.

Prior to that, they were 5-11 in each of the previous two seasons.

The Cards' defense was horrible, until the last four games. Where they weren't amazing. But they were pretty good.

They haven't had a running game in one and a half eternities.

Many people will see nothing but the Super Bowl Arizona Cardinals. But that is a very thin (Four games) layer of perfume, on a very fat (19-29) pig.

Of course, there are plenty of holes that can be pointed out. Like these guys weren't even there for all of that pig portion.

Or that these guys did get the piss-poor Cardinals to the playoffs, then to The Super Bowl.

But I don't think that The Cardinals got much better. Just that the rest of that division got far worse.

Having said all of that, I don't hold the new staff responsible for the recent history of The Cardinals. But I don't really see a way to hold them too responsible for getting The Cards to The Super Bowl, either.

Hopefully, they will find success here. Rather that be through the type of changes that I would like to see made, or through running things in the opposite direction.

I've been through three straight seasons of poor football and have to grant at least one more to an all-new staff.

So, hopefully, these guys will be able to create a winner form what has been leftover from the previous staff.

Some how.

Some way.

Just give me something to really cheer about again.

Please.

[Bike]

I am extremely worried about it.

The Cards were 9-7 in the only division that was actually worse than the AFC West was this season.

Prior to that, they were 5-11 in each of the previous two seasons.

The Cards' defense was horrible, until the last four games. Where they weren't amazing. But they were pretty good.

They haven't had a running game in one and a half eternities.

Many people will see nothing but the Super Bowl Arizona Cardinals. But that is a very thin (Four games) layer of perfume, on a very fat (19-29) pig.

Of course, there are plenty of holes that can be pointed out. Like these guys weren't even there for all of that pig portion.

Or that these guys did get the piss-poor Cardinals to the playoffs, then to The Super Bowl.

But I don't think that The Cardinals got much better. Just that the rest of that division got far worse.

Having said all of that, I don't hold the new staff responsible for the recent history of The Cardinals. But I don't really see a way to hold them too responsible for getting The Cards to The Super Bowl, either.

Hopefully, they will find success here. Rather that be through the type of changes that I would like to see made, or through running things in the opposite direction.

I've been through three straight seasons of poor football and have to grant at least one more to an all-new staff.

So, hopefully, these guys will be able to create a winner form what has been leftover from the previous staff.

Some how.

Some way.

Just give me something to really cheer about again.

Please.
I'm worried, too. Cards D ranked middle of the road yards allowed last year under Pendergast. Haley never been a head coach. Pioli never been THEE man. We were 2-14 last year.
But the good thing is we got some hungry young leadership to right this sunk ship. We really have nowhere to go but up.
That being said, I believe we are watching a dynasty being built before our very eyes.
Enjoy the ride!!!!:bananen_smilies046: :bananen_smilies046: :bananen_smilies046:

[prough91]

I am extremely worried about it.

The Cards were 9-7 in the only division that was actually worse than the AFC West was this season.

Prior to that, they were 5-11 in each of the previous two seasons.

The Cards' defense was horrible, until the last four games. Where they weren't amazing. But they were pretty good.

They haven't had a running game in one and a half eternities.

Many people will see nothing but the Super Bowl Arizona Cardinals. But that is a very thin (Four games) layer of perfume, on a very fat (19-29) pig.

Of course, there are plenty of holes that can be pointed out. Like these guys weren't even there for all of that pig portion.

Or that these guys did get the piss-poor Cardinals to the playoffs, then to The Super Bowl.

But I don't think that The Cardinals got much better. Just that the rest of that division got far worse.

Having said all of that, I don't hold the new staff responsible for the recent history of The Cardinals. But I don't really see a way to hold them too responsible for getting The Cards to The Super Bowl, either.

Hopefully, they will find success here. Rather that be through the type of changes that I would like to see made, or through running things in the opposite direction.

I've been through three straight seasons of poor football and have to grant at least one more to an all-new staff.

So, hopefully, these guys will be able to create a winner form what has been leftover from the previous staff.

Some how.

Some way.

Just give me something to really cheer about again.

Please.

I very rarely disagree with you, but, you know, the Cards didn't exactly get blown out in the Super Bowl. The winning touchdown catch to win the game couldn't have been much better defended. One inch and Holmes would have been out.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I am extremely worried about it.

The Cards were 9-7 in the only division that was actually worse than the AFC West was this season.

Prior to that, they were 5-11 in each of the previous two seasons.

The Cards' defense was horrible, until the last four games. Where they weren't amazing. But they were pretty good.

They haven't had a running game in one and a half eternities.

Many people will see nothing but the Super Bowl Arizona Cardinals. But that is a very thin (Four games) layer of perfume, on a very fat (19-29) pig.

Of course, there are plenty of holes that can be pointed out. Like these guys weren't even there for all of that pig portion.

Or that these guys did get the piss-poor Cardinals to the playoffs, then to The Super Bowl.

But I don't think that The Cardinals got much better. Just that the rest of that division got far worse.

Having said all of that, I don't hold the new staff responsible for the recent history of The Cardinals. But I don't really see a way to hold them too responsible for getting The Cards to The Super Bowl, either.

Hopefully, they will find success here. Rather that be through the type of changes that I would like to see made, or through running things in the opposite direction.

I've been through three straight seasons of poor football and have to grant at least one more to an all-new staff.

So, hopefully, these guys will be able to create a winner form what has been leftover from the previous staff.

Some how.

Some way.

Just give me something to really cheer about again.

Please.
I guess beating those terrible teams in the playoffs was just luck!

[127markaz]

I guess beating those terrible teams in the playoffs was just luck!

I very rarely disagree with you, but, you know, the Cards didn't exactly get blown out in the Super Bowl. The winning touchdown catch to win the game couldn't have been much better defended. One inch and Holmes would have been out.
Whoa fellas. Chief31 isn't ripping your new favorite DC. He's just pointing to facts. I've lived in Phoenix since before Pendergast came here. Simply stated, the Cards played 4 incredible games to end the season. Previous to that was the regular season where in Week 15 after the Cards were thumped at home by the Vikings 14-35 the fans and local sports talk radio were calling for Clancy's head. We're all hoping that Clancy can carry the magic of the playoffs into KC. His entire body of work while in Arizona does make one suspicious until proven successful.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Whoa fellas. Chief31 isn't ripping your new favorite DC. He's just pointing to facts. I've lived in Phoenix since before Pendergast came here. Simply stated, the Cards played 4 incredible games to end the season. Previous to that was the regular season where in Week 15 after the Cards were thumped at home by the Vikings 14-35 the fans and local sports talk radio were calling for Clancy's head. We're all hoping that Clancy can carry the magic of the playoffs into KC. His entire body of work while in Arizona does make one suspicious until proven successful.
Here are some defensive stats from NFL.com:

Statistics




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(http://www.nfl.com/players/dominiquerodgers-cromartie/profile?id=ROD616216) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) CB 20 19 1 0.0 -- 11 2 0 19 19 0 -- -- 1Asante Samuel (http://www.nfl.com/players/asantesamuel/profile?id=SAM616410) PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) CB 8 8 0 0.0 0 4 2 1 69 44T 0 -- -- 5Jon Beason (http://www.nfl.com/players/jonbeason/profile?id=BEA530518) CAR (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR) MLB 8 6 2 0.0 -- 2 1 0 4 4 0 -- -- 5Antoine Bethea (http://www.nfl.com/players/antoinebethea/profile?id=BET074391) IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND) FS 5 3 2 0.0 -- 2 1 0 36 36 0 -- -- 5Tyrone Carter (http://www.nfl.com/players/tyronecarter/profile?id=CAR749177) PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) SS 5 5 0 0.0 -- 3 1 0 5 5 0 -- -- 5Karlos Dansby (http://www.nfl.com/players/karlosdansby/profile?id=DAN762622) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) OLB 31 24 7 0.0 -- 4 1 0 -1 -1 0 -- -- 5Kevin Dockery (http://www.nfl.com/players/kevindockery/profile?id=DOC421666) NYG (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) CB 4 3 1 0.0 -- 2 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 5Larry Foote (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryfoote/profile?id=FOO434041) PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) ILB 8 7 1 0.0 -- 2 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 5Aaron Francisco (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronfrancisco/profile?id=FRA212200) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) DB 9 9 0 0.0 -- 3 1 0 27 27 0 -- -- 5Cedric Griffin (http://www.nfl.com/players/cedricgriffin/profile?id=GRI080223) MIN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/minnesotavikings/profile?team=MIN) CB 6 5 1 0.0 -- 2 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 5James Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesharrison/profile?id=HAR600985) PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) OLB 14 10 4 1.0 0 2 1 1 100 100T 0 -- -- 5Gerald Hayes (http://www.nfl.com/players/geraldhayes/profile?id=HAY169450) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) MLB 19 14 5 0.0 -- 2 1 0 6 6 0 -- -- 5Roderick Hood (http://www.nfl.com/players/roderickhood/profile?id=HOO217532) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) CB 17 15 2 0.0 -- 5 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 5Chevis Jackson (http://www.nfl.com/players/chevisjackson/profile?id=JAC082402) ATL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/atlantafalcons/profile?team=ATL) CB 2 2 0 0.0 -- 2 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 5Jim Leonhard (http://www.nfl.com/players/jimleonhard/profile?id=LEO708542) BAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) SS 16 14 2 0.5 -- 2 1 0 20 20 1 2 0 5Quintin Mikell (http://www.nfl.com/players/quintinmikell/profile?id=MIK082019) PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) SS 17 15 2 0.0 -- 4 1 0 5 5 0 -- -- 5Troy Polamalu (http://www.nfl.com/players/troypolamalu/profile?id=POL041872) PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) SS 9 5 4 0.0 0 4 1 1 40 40T 0 -- -- 5Fred Robbins (http://www.nfl.com/players/fredrobbins/profile?id=ROB033102) NYG (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) DT 0 0 0 0.0 -- 2 1 0 17 17 0 -- -- 5Antrel Rolle (http://www.nfl.com/players/antrelrolle/profile?id=ROL403288) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) FS 16 12 4 0.0 0 2 1 0 47 47 0 1 1 5Samari Rolle (http://www.nfl.com/players/samarirolle/profile?id=ROL531110) BAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) CB 6 4 2 0.0 -- 3 1 0 3 3 0 -- -- 5Deshea Townsend (http://www.nfl.com/players/desheatownsend/profile?id=TOW776442) PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) CB 4 3 1 0.0 -- 2 1 0 2 2 0 -- -- 5Fabian Washington (http://www.nfl.com/players/fabianwashington/profile?id=WAS285408) BAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) CB 15 13 2 0.0 -- 4 1 0 12 12 0 1 0
Quite a few Az guys on this list. All I am saying is that the Cards dominated in statistics on the offensive side of the ball on avg against their opponents. I have no doubt the defense will be better in KC this coming season than it was last season. As most of you know, I am the ultimate pesamist but I think the changes that have been made are a definite upgrade to this team. Would I have done a few things different? Maybe but this team is better today than it was at the end of last season no doubt!!! Will their record indicate that? I believe it will. By no means am I predicting the playoffs however i am predicting more than 2 wins and to me, that is a successfull offseason. //

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Sorry, I don't know how to post this vertically so it is easier to read.

[Chiefster]

Way too early to speculate.

[127markaz]

Here are some defensive stats from NFL.com:

Statistics




All NFL AFC NFC Category... Passing Rushing Receiving Kicking Field Goals Kick Returns Punting Sacks Scoring Touchdowns Tackles Interceptions Total Yards if ("INTERCEPTIONS" != "") { $('statisticCategory').value = "INTERCEPTIONS"; } else { $('statisticCategory').value = "null"; } Season... 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991 1990 1989 1988 1987 1986 1985 1984 1983 1982 1981 1980 1979 1978 1977 1976 1975 1974 1973 1972 1971 1970 1969 1968 1967 1966 1965 1964 1963 1962 1961 1960 1959 1958 1957 1956 1955 1954 1953 1952 1951 1950 1949 1948 1947 1946 1945 1944 1943 1942 1941 1940 1939 1938 1937 1936 1935 1934 1933 1932 Season Type... Preseason Regular Season Postseason $('conference').value = "null" != "" ? "null" : "null"; $('season').value = "2008" != "" ? "2008" : "null"; function limitExpPriorTo1991() { var season = $('season').value; if (season != "null") { if (season < 1991) { $('experience').value = "null"; $('experience').disabled = true; } else { $('experience').disabled = false; } $('archive').value = (season < 2008); } } All Rookie 2nd year 3rd year 4th year 5th year 6th year 7th year 8th year 9th year 10th year 11th year 12th year 13th year 14th year 15th year 16th year 17th year 18th year 19th year 20th year 21st year 22nd year 23rd year 24th year 25th year 28th year 29th year 30th year 31st year 32nd year 38th year limitExpPriorTo1991();

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Quite a few Az guys on this list. All I am saying is that the Cards dominated in statistics on the offensive side of the ball on avg against their opponents. I have no doubt the defense will be better in KC this coming season than it was last season. As most of you know, I am the ultimate pesamist but I think the changes that have been made are a definite upgrade to this team. Would I have done a few things different? Maybe but this team is better today than it was at the end of last season no doubt!!! Will their record indicate that? I believe it will. By no means am I predicting the playoffs however i am predicting more than 2 wins and to me, that is a successfull offseason. //
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[Drunker Hillbilly]

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[warcrychief]

wow my brain hurts now Drunker Hillbilly. :punchy:

[chief31]

That would be very tough to fix DH. I was gonna. But it looks like alot of work.


I very rarely disagree with you, but, you know, the Cards didn't exactly get blown out in the Super Bowl. The winning touchdown catch to win the game couldn't have been much better defended. One inch and Holmes would have been out.

Even if they had won that game, it is still just four good games.

Hell, even The Raiders have played four good games. Just not at the right time.

We played four good games.




I guess beating those terrible teams in the playoffs was just luck!

Maybe. It was only three games.

You, as well as anyone, know that that team is stacked with talent, and has still sucked until last seasons playoffs.

High powered passing attack. Non-existent running game, and lack-luster defense.

That's essentially the same team that has sucked for the past five years or so.

There were two real differences. The rest of the division became even worse than them. And they played a few good games in the post-season.

Had it not been for the division being so bad, they probably never even play those post-season games.

I am hopeful. Extremely hopeful.

But I am finding it difficult to get really pumped up about emulating The Arizona Cardinals.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

That would be very tough to fix DH. I was gonna. But it looks like alot of work.



Even if they had won that game, it is still just four good games.

Hell, even The Raiders have played four good games. Just not at the right time.

We played four good games.





Maybe. It was only three games.

You, as well as anyone, know that that team is stacked with talent, and has still sucked until last seasons playoffs.

High powered passing attack. Non-existent running game, and lack-luster defense.

That's essentially the same team that has sucked for the past five years or so.

There were two real differences. The rest of the division became even worse than them. And they played a few good games in the post-season.

Had it not been for the division being so bad, they probably never even play those post-season games.

I am hopeful. Extremely hopeful.

But I am finding it difficult to get really pumped up about emulating The Arizona Cardinals.
Simply just not true when comparing last years Cards to teams of the past 5 years! While I will grant you the division was down last year, the 08 Cardinals were a much improved team from past years. Coaching staff, (can't expect miracles in 1 year) defense,(drafted a very good Rodgers -Cromartie) owner finally dug into his pocket and spent his cap money (had not happened in 16 years) therefore bringing in some key players. So, the comparison between last years team and Cards teams of the past is not even close! If you break down the offensive stats from them they are overwhelmingly in their favor:

Better avg stats than their opponents in 08 (Cardinals)

More 1st downs
More 3rd down conversions
Better avg 4th down conversions
More total offensive yds
More total offensive plays per game
More total rushing yds per game
More total passing yds per game
Better completion %
Better field goal %
More TD's
More TOP
+8 TO ratio

Ranked 4th in points
Ranked 4th in total yds
Ranked 2nd in passing

Defense ranked 6th in playoff defense

Now I realize there are several stats that they were not so good in too. However, The Chiefs could not score any points last year. The Cardinals had 10-12 games last year where they scored 30 points or more! If KC's defense can improve just a little from what they were last year, I think this coaching staff can improve on the putrid 2 win total from last season simply because of the offense. Is that good enough for some? Maybe not. Might not be good enough for me but after watching this team be soooooooo bad the last few years, I am willing to accept any forward movement as far as wins are concerned!:bananen_smilies046:

[chief31]

Simply just not true when comparing last years Cards to teams of the past 5 years! While I will grant you the division was down last year, the 08 Cardinals were a much improved team from past years. Coaching staff, (can't expect miracles in 1 year) defense,(drafted a very good Rodgers -Cromartie) owner finally dug into his pocket and spent his cap money (had not happened in 16 years) therefore bringing in some key players. So, the comparison between last years team and Cards teams of the past is not even close! If you break down the offensive stats from them they are overwhelmingly in their favor:

Better avg stats than their opponents in 08 (Cardinals)

More 1st downs
More 3rd down conversions
Better avg 4th down conversions
More total offensive yds
More total offensive plays per game
More total rushing yds per game Are you sure?
More total passing yds per game
Better completion %
Better field goal %
More TD's
More TOP
+8 TO ratio

Ranked 4th in points
Ranked 4th in total yds
Ranked 2nd in passing

Defense ranked 6th in playoff defense 6th? Out of twelve?

Now I realize there are several stats that they were not so good in too. However, The Chiefs could not score any points last year. The Cardinals had 10-12 games last year where they scored 30 points or more! If KC's defense can improve just a little from what they were last year, I think this coaching staff can improve on the putrid 2 win total from last season simply because of the offense. Is that good enough for some? Maybe not. Might not be good enough for me but after watching this team be soooooooo bad the last few years, I am willing to accept any forward movement as far as wins are concerned!:bananen_smilies046:

I think you could get some circus clown, or drunken hillbilly to improve on 2-14. :)




OFFENSE

2008 PPG - 26.7 (4th)
2007 PPG - 25.3 (7th)
2006 PPG - 19.6 (19th)
2005 PPG - 19.4 (18th)
2004 PPG - 17.8 (26th)

2008 YPG - 365.8 (4th)
2007 YPG - 344.1 (12th)
2006 YPG - 312.5 (18th)
2005 YPG - 348.4 (8th)
2004 YPG - 284.4 (27th)

2008 RYPG - 73.6 (32nd)
2007 RYPG - 90.0 (29th)
2006 RYPG - 83.6 (30th)
2005 RYPG - 71.1 (32nd)
2004 RYPG - 104.3 (22nd)

2008 PYPG - 292.1 (2nd)
2007 PYPG - 254.1 (5th)
2006 PYPG - 247.6 (4th)
2005 PYPG - 277.3 (1st)
2004 PYPG - 180.1 (24th)

DEFENSE

2008 PPG - 26.6 (28th)
2007 PPG - 24.9 (26th)
2006 PPG - 24.3 (29th)
2005 PPG - 24.2 (26th)
2004 PPG - 20.1 (12th)

2008 YPG - 331.5 (19th)
2007 YPG - 330.2 (17th)
2006 YPG - 349.4 (29th)
2005 YPG - 295.6 (8th)
2004 YPG - 321.3 (12th)

2008 RYPG - 110.3 (16th)
2007 RYPG - 97.9 (9th)
2006 RYPG - 118.6 (16th)
2005 RYPG - 102 (10th)
2004 RYPG - 131.6 (27th)

2008 PYPG - 221.3 (22nd)
2007 PYPG - 232.3 (28th)
2006 PYPG - 230.9 (30th)
2005 PYPG - 193.6 (12th)
2004 PYPG - 189.8 (10th)


Here are their team stats over the past five seasons.

I want to look at specific trends and changes to each aspect.

2004, if you compare it to all of the other seasons since, is vastly different and really doesn't have much bearing on the teams trends.

I included that season to show how similar the teams stats have been over the past four years, as compared to prior to '05.

'05 is the year that The Cards became a passing offense only team.

The first thing that I will show to support that notion is the PYPG. (passing yards per game)

2008 PYPG - 292.1 (2nd)
2007 PYPG - 254.1 (5th)
2006 PYPG - 247.6 (4th)
2005 PYPG - 277.3 (1st)
2004 PYPG - 180.1 (24th)

Obviously, since 2004, The Cards have been a top passing team. Going from 1st, to 4th, to 5th, to 2nd.

Haley has only been there for, what, the last season, season and a half?

So, from that, one can credit Haley with taking a top-five passing attack and turning it into a top-five passing attack.

Ok. I'll give him some credit for helping to maintain a top five passing attack. But not for creating one.

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Now let's look at the notion that there is no running game.

Here are the RYPG (Rushing yards per game) numbers...

2008 RYPG - 73.6 (32nd)
2007 RYPG - 90.0 (29th)
2006 RYPG - 83.6 (30th)
2005 RYPG - 71.1 (32nd)
2004 RYPG - 104.3 (22nd)

Again, the change form '04 to '05 is obvious. And they have been scraping the barrell ever since, including '08.

So, from that, I see a horrible running game, that remained a horrible running game.

But, if you choose to give Haley credit for maintaing a top passing attack, then you have to give equal blame for maintaining a non-existent running game.

I choose to call that a "push". He really doesn't seem to have had any effect on those team stats.

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Now, for the total PPG (Points per game)...

2008 PPG - 26.7 (4th)
2007 PPG - 25.3 (7th)
2006 PPG - 19.6 (19th)
2005 PPG - 19.4 (18th)
2004 PPG - 17.8 (26th)

and YPG (Yards per game) stats...

2008 YPG - 365.8 (4th)
2007 YPG - 344.1 (12th)
2006 YPG - 312.5 (18th)
2005 YPG - 348.4 (8th)
2004 YPG - 284.4 (27th)

There is very clear increase to the '08 numbers. That's great. And that is what most people will look at, when looking for positives in Haley.

And I am more than happy to acknowledge that Haley deserves some credit for that. Specifically the PPG stat, as the YPG was really just an already powerful passing attack.

But, when giving that credit, I will keep in mind that the rest of that division was pretty well worthless in '08. So The Niners, Rams and Seahawks should probably get some of that credit.

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Now for the defense.

Let's look at the PYPG (Passing yards per game) stats...

2008 PYPG - 221.3 (22nd)
2007 PYPG - 232.3 (28th)
2006 PYPG - 230.9 (30th)
2005 PYPG - 193.6 (12th)
2004 PYPG - 189.8 (10th)

Not much there. A slight improvement. But far from endearing to me.

How about RYPG (Rushing yards per game)?

2008 RYPG - 110.3 (16th)
2007 RYPG - 97.9 (9th)
2006 RYPG - 118.6 (16th)
2005 RYPG - 102 (10th)
2004 RYPG - 131.6 (27th)

Again, not much there. A slight regression, that pretty-much seems to counter the slight improvement to the passing defense.

Total YPG (Yards per game)...

2008 YPG - 331.5 (19th)
2007 YPG - 330.2 (17th)
2006 YPG - 349.4 (29th)
2005 YPG - 295.6 (8th)
2004 YPG - 321.3 (12th)

As I suspected from the two examples above... Nothing much to look at for change.

They had an upward spike in '05 and a downward spike in '06. And consistently below average ever since.

Well, PPG (Points per game) was the one stat that showed '08 improvement on the offense. How about PPG on the defense?...

2008 PPG - 26.6 (28th)
2007 PPG - 24.9 (26th)
2006 PPG - 24.3 (29th)
2005 PPG - 24.2 (26th)
2004 PPG - 20.1 (12th)

Hmmm. Nope.

The numbers are pretty crappy for the past four seasons, and rather consistently.

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Basically, this shows exactly what I was stating, that The Cardinals have been a consistently poor defensive team, that can't run the ball, but can pass it.

But, as everyone knows, the '08 Cards went to The Super Bowl.

Most people are done discussing it right there. That's all that matters.

But, after looking at the team, compared to the same team of the past few seasons, I have to wonder how. I just have to.



All of the stats look the same. How does a team that has been 18-30 for three prior season become a Super Bowl team, without getting any real improvement on offense, or defense?

I know they scored 1.5 PPG more. But shouldn't that be nullified by the extra 1.5 PPG that they allowed?

From the stats, this is the same damn team! Pass well, run for squat, and play piss-poor defense. Same team.

There must be some significant differences somewhere. But where?

Their division.

For all of the other seasons in our sample, The Seattle Seahawks dominated the AFC West, having won the division for four straight seasons.

But they went 4-12 in '08.

Well, looking at The Cards' '08 schedule, it becomes clear how they got to the playoffs.

They were 9-7 during the regular season. But they were 6-0 against a horrible NFC West.

That leaves them at 3-7 outside of The NFC West.

Now that sounds like The Arizona Cardinals that I know!

So, that explains how this perennial loser got into the playoffs.

Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

However, they went to The Super Bowl! Not just the playoffs.

And I watched those playoff games. I can't deny that they played very well in the postseason.

There is no way for me to deny that they played well for those four games. (I say four games, because they obviously played well in the one that they lost too.)

Wait a minute.

I wasn't trying to deny that, was I?

Nope. I've said over and over that they played well for those four games.

My point is that everyone seems to be looking at those four games, as if the previous games never even happened.

But this is a team that won the worst division in The NFL, by a single game.

The only thing that impresses me about The Arizona Cardinals is that played four very good playoff games.

Not a damn thing beyond that.

And four games just isn't enough for me to be convinced of anything. Hell, The Chiefs played four good games in '08 (kinda). But they still sucked.

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Bottom line is that you can look at The Cards for those four games, or you can look at the total package.

But I am not sure how to even go about ignoring everything else.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I think it hilarious that you can still after all of your stats still imply that a team sucked after going to the SuperBowl!!

And four games just isn't enough for me to be convinced of anything. Hell, The Chiefs played four good games in '08 (kinda). But they still sucked



TOTAL RUSHING YARDS:

Cards.....366
Opponents...290 (NFL.com)

I'll take the 6th ranked defense out of 12 teams everyday of the week!!! If you look at it that way, if the Chiefs were middle of the pack would they have been any better? My guess is yes!!



You want to look at total packages eh? Look at the numbers for the Chiefs and then look at the numbers for the Cardinals for the 08 season and tell me based on the overall numbers which football team is better? The two coaches coaches we got from Az were components of those numbers. Like I said, I realize there are area's for improvement just like with every team but I am satisfied with having these two guys in place over what we have had the last several years.

You talk about not liking only a passing team. Well if I remember correctly, Warner did it with the Rams and took them fairly deep i would say! Yes Faulk was there but we can agree that they were a pass first team like the Cards. I also remember Marty doing it with KC. Nobody was complaining in those days even though he couldn't get us over the top.

My whole point to my posts are that the Chiefs are significantly better IMO now that they have an offensive minded coach at the helm. You can say defenses' win championships but if you can't score any points you have NO shot at getting to the championship therefore you can't win it! This league has quickly become a pass first league! We have not had a pass first team in many years and what have the results been? Like the numbers put up by the Cards defense or not, the Chiefs are a much better team strictly by having Haley as the HC. If he can get this team scoring the way the Cards did in 08 within a couple of years, this team will be a lock for the playoffs for years to come because like you like to say.......the AFC West will possibly be the worst division in football for years to come!!

[127markaz]

I think it hilarious that you can still after all of your stats still imply that a team sucked after going to the SuperBowl!!
Sucked may be a little extreme, but they kinda did. Please don't say you didn't hear the pre-playoffs stuff and think the same. "Cards don't deserve it", "If they weren't in the NFC West", "Worst team in the playoffs", etc. The Superbowl may have given you temporary amnesia.
But back to the topic. Because of the AZ OC and DC at the helm should the Chiefs be successful? Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And for one very good reason. They know what its like to win, KC forgot how in the wake of being Herminated.
Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:smilies_musik45::punk::punk: :129:

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Sucked may be a little extreme, but they kinda did. Please don't say you didn't hear the pre-playoffs stuff and think the same. "Cards don't deserve it", "If they weren't in the NFC West", "Worst team in the playoffs", etc. The Superbowl may have given you temporary amnesia.
But back to the topic. Because of the AZ OC and DC at the helm should the Chiefs be successful? Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And for one very good reason. They know what its like to win, KC forgot how in the wake of being Herminated.
Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:smilies_musik45::punk::punk: :129:
Yea of course I heard it. Never did I think it!!! The 08 version of the Cardinals were soooo much better than previous years. Numbers were only slightly better but the eye test says they were much better. Living in Az you have to admit the same! However, I hardly think you can say a team sucks when they had 10-12 games with 30 or more points scored along with a middle of the pack defense. I mean after all there were teams like the Lions, Rams and oh yea....our Chiefs!!!!!!! I do however find it quite puzzling to see you say that the Cards sucked last season but there will be success with the Cards old OC and DC! Weird!

[127markaz]

Come on , now. I said they "kinda did". And if you'll wade through the thread you'll see I referenced the defense of the Cards as troublesome. As far as the Chiefs, a step up from the bottom is very attainable with these guys. Let me ask you. How many games did the Chiefs lose last year by 7 or less? I think under what I hope will be the system employed that Haley 'n Galey will get that 7. So it's off store for Pioli to get some more parts.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think the Cards were the best team in the league but they were head and shoulders better than A LOT of teams! The 7 points or less thing doesn't hold water with me. The Chiefs flat out sucked last season and there is no sugar coating it! I will be satisfied if Haley can get the offense rolling and scoring some points. To me, offense is the key factor in the regular season of football. I would much rather have a team that can score at will and have a medicre defense than a team with a great defense that can't score. Offense is going to win out most of the time IMO. If your lucky enough to have both like the Steelers did, well then thats a recipe for success!!

[chief31]

I think it hilarious that you can still after all of your stats still imply that a team sucked after going to the SuperBowl!!

And four games just isn't enough for me to be convinced of anything. Hell, The Chiefs played four good games in '08 (kinda). But they still sucked



TOTAL RUSHING YARDS:

Cards.....366
Opponents...290 (NFL.com)

I'll take the 6th ranked defense out of 12 teams everyday of the week!!! If you look at it that way, if the Chiefs were middle of the pack would they have been any better? My guess is yes!!



You want to look at total packages eh? Look at the numbers for the Chiefs and then look at the numbers for the Cardinals for the 08 season and tell me based on the overall numbers which football team is better? The two coaches coaches we got from Az were components of those numbers. Like I said, I realize there are area's for improvement just like with every team but I am satisfied with having these two guys in place over what we have had the last several years.

You talk about not liking only a passing team. Well if I remember correctly, Warner did it with the Rams and took them fairly deep i would say! Yes Faulk was there but we can agree that they were a pass first team like the Cards. I also remember Marty doing it with KC. Nobody was complaining in those days even though he couldn't get us over the top.

Are you talking about the '99 Rams that won The Super Bowl? The team that was 5th in The NFL in rushing offense?

How is 5th best comparable to dead last? You couldn't have reached much further for that one.

And what Chiefs team are we talking about with Marty? The Okoye/Word era? Or the Marcus Allen era?

Again, a ludacris comparison.

My whole point to my posts are that the Chiefs are significantly better IMO now that they have an offensive minded coach at the helm. You can say defenses' win championships but if you can't score any points you have NO shot at getting to the championship therefore you can't win it! This league has quickly become a pass first league! We have not had a pass first team in many years and what have the results been? Like the numbers put up by the Cards defense or not, the Chiefs are a much better team strictly by having Haley as the HC. If he can get this team scoring the way the Cards did in 08 within a couple of years, this team will be a lock for the playoffs for years to come because like you like to say.......the AFC West will possibly be the worst division in football for years to come!!

I am not arguing rather or not this new staff is better than zero. (Herm Edwards) That would be quite a long shot.

My point is that The Cardinals have sucked for a long time. Including last season.

But they were given an easy road to the playoffs. Then, for four games, they quit sucking.

And who is this aimed at?


because like you like to say.......the AFC West will possibly be the worst division in football for years to come!!

Why do you do that? You constantly make things up. I have never said that.

Anything is possible. But that isn't something that I have ever said.

Kind of like this...


Better avg stats than their opponents in 08 (Cardinals)

More 1st downs
More 3rd down conversions
Better avg 4th down conversions
More total offensive yds
More total offensive plays per game
More total rushing yds per game

The fact is that they were worse in Rushing Yards Per game. Yet you don't care about reality. You just spout-off whatever you want to be true, and hope noone calls you out on it.

Then, when someone does, you ignore it and try some other approach.

And because you don't bother to verify what you are saying, you have no credibility.

I used to enjoy pointing those faults out. But now I am just tired of it.

I know that anything you post needs to be checked, because I know that you haven't done so.

Which would be fine, if you were expressing guesses or opinions. but you pass that trash off as fact, when it is anything but.

I've said it before. And I'll say it again.

Aside from their last four games, The Arizona Cardinals have been extremely unimpressive. The '08 Cards look just like the 18-30 Cards of the previous three seasons to me.

[YZILLA]

Calm down a little bit everyone. Keep this in mind. As bad- as we were last year , we very well could have been an 8-8 team maybe 9-7 . We we in alot of games last year only to piss it away by a few points. If our Defense would have been just a little bit better..... well now we have the Best Gm and a whole new coaching staff that has to be be better than what we had last year . We have a very good linebacker in Vrabyl and a rising star Qb in Cassel. I think we are in a good position to actually be a 8-8 team or better based on us just improving a little bit over last year. lets just see how this season pans out. We will learn alot about our needs after we get the newness worn off of our team and all of the changes we have made. Im very , very excited . This year is gonna a fun one. Hell we were 2-14 and I had alot of fun watching us play last year with our little Diamond in the rough Thigpen scrambling all around and throwing touchdowns and making the game fun again !

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I am not arguing rather or not this new staff is better than zero. (Herm Edwards) That would be quite a long shot.

My point is that The Cardinals have sucked for a long time. Including last season.

But they were given an easy road to the playoffs. Then, for four games, they quit sucking.

And who is this aimed at?



Why do you do that? You constantly make things up. I have never said that.

Anything is possible. But that isn't something that I have ever said.

Kind of like this...



The fact is that they were worse in Rushing Yards Per game. Yet you don't care about reality. You just spout-off whatever you want to be true, and hope noone calls you out on it.

Then, when someone does, you ignore it and try some other approach.

And because you don't bother to verify what you are saying, you have no credibility.

I used to enjoy pointing those faults out. But now I am just tired of it.

I know that anything you post needs to be checked, because I know that you haven't done so.

Which would be fine, if you were expressing guesses or opinions. but you pass that trash off as fact, when it is anything but.

I've said it before. And I'll say it again.

Aside from their last four games, The Arizona Cardinals have been extremely unimpressive. The '08 Cards look just like the 18-30 Cards of the previous three seasons to me.
First. when I used the term "best in the AFC West" I was referring to you using it with the "NFC West". Second who TF are you to continue to spout off when someone else gives their opinion. You are continuing to whine and complain when people don't give stats to back up every single word they say. This is a "discussion Forum" not a "post your statistics or say nothing forum"!! The stats I provided were correct and directly from NFL.com. If you don't believe them, take it up with them! The rest is simply my opinion! DEAL WITH IT!!!!! IMO again IMO your statement about the Cardinals sucking last season is, how do YOU say, LUDACRIS!!!! You used to fun to banter back and forth with but now your just an a******!!!! Now get your mod finger going and punish me the way you always do when someone cross' you. Ive said it before and I'll say it again and again and again, you are not the know it all that you think you are! Everyone else here has some knowledge of the game and is totally justified for saying there opinion! You need to get off your high horse and quit thinking and displaying that you are the only one that knows anything about anything around here!!!:iamwithstupid:

[prough91]

I have to agree with Chief31. You spout off without backing it up.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I have to agree with Chief31. You spout off without backing it up.
Really? The stats provided weren't enough?

[prough91]

Really? The stats provided weren't enough?

There were alot of stats. It's just that Chief31 did more with them than you did. No offense.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

There were alot of stats. It's just that Chief31 did more with them than you did. No offense.
Get off his nuts!!!! So your saying because someone posts more stats than someone else, the fewer are not valid??? Genius!!!!!

[prough91]

Get off his nuts!!!! So your saying because someone posts more stats than someone else, the fewer are not valid??? Genius!!!!!

No. He took the stats you posted and proved his point.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

No. He took the stats you posted and proved his point.
My stats were correct!!!! Straight from NFL.com! What part don't you get? The rest were opinions on both of our parts. Stats are stats, they don't lie. Need I post them again or just send you a link?

[prough91]

Just explain them reeaaallll slow. I can't read real fast.

[Canada]

Please don't post them again!!

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Just explain them reeaaallll slow. I can't read real fast.
When wrong just change the subject I get it!!!!:sign0098:

[prough91]

When wrong just change the subject I get it!!!!:sign0098:

That was weak.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

That was weak.
Kind of like post #37

[Canada]

ooooooooo.....

[Drunker Hillbilly]

ooooooooo.....
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[Canada]

:lol:

[Drunker Hillbilly]

:lol:
Is it the 4th of July????:lol: :bananen_smilies046:

[AussieChiefsFan]

Is it the 4th of July????:lol: :bananen_smilies046:'fraid not.:lol:

[chief31]

First. when I used the term "best in the AFC West" I was referring to you using it with the "NFC West".

Second who TF are you to continue to spout off when someone else gives their opinion. You are continuing to whine and complain when people don't give stats to back up every single word they say.

This is a "discussion Forum" not a "post your statistics or say nothing forum"!! The stats I provided were correct and directly from NFL.com. If you don't believe them, take it up with them! The rest is simply my opinion! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

IMO again IMO your statement about the Cardinals sucking last season is, how do YOU say, LUDACRIS!!!! You used to fun to banter back and forth with but now your just an a******!!!!

Now get your mod finger going and punish me the way you always do when someone cross' you. Ive said it before and I'll say it again and again and again, you are not the know it all that you think you are!

Everyone else here has some knowledge of the game and is totally justified for saying there opinion! You need to get off your high horse and quit thinking and displaying that you are the only one that knows anything about anything around here!!!:iamwithstupid:

Appearently, showing you twice isn't enough. So...


So, the comparison between last years team and Cards teams of the past is not even close! If you break down the offensive stats from them they are overwhelmingly in their favor:

Better avg stats than their opponents in 08 (Cardinals)

More 1st downs
More 3rd down conversions
Better avg 4th down conversions
More total offensive yds
More total offensive plays per game
More total rushing yds per game
More total passing yds per game
Better completion %
Better field goal %
More TD's
More TOP
+8 TO ratio

Ranked 4th in points
Ranked 4th in total yds
Ranked 2nd in passing

Now, have a look at your source. NFL.com...

(Cardinals Rushing yards per game ranking 32nd, with 73.6 YPG.)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1)

(Cardinals' Opponenets' Rushing Yards Per Game ranking, 17th with 110 YPG.)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1)

Now...

Can you see that? All of it? Even where you said that The Cardinals had more rushing yards than their opponents?

You did not present that as opinion. You present it as fact. And clearly, it is not!

Now, since it has gotten to be this big of a case, you probably won't just brush this off like you usually do.

You will likely just tell us all how it was some simple mistake.

But I'm not buying that. Because you do it alot. And, since you refuse to admit ever being wrong, I have to assume that you are lying.

I enjoy opinions that I think are wrong.

That makes for great discussion.

But I'm not talking about an opinion. I'm talking about misrepresentation of facts.

If you don't feel like checking the facts. That's fine.

But conjuring facts that help your argument is lying.

Now, to address your reply...



Second who TF are you to continue to spout off when someone else gives their opinion. You are continuing to whine and complain when people don't give stats to back up every single word they say.


Give opinions instead of flat-out lies, and I can't embarrass you by exposing your lies.


IMO again IMO your statement about the Cardinals sucking last season is, how do YOU say, LUDACRIS!!!! You used to fun to banter back and forth with but now your just an a******!!!!


But an honest a******. Not a lying a******.


Now get your mod finger going and punish me the way you always do when someone cross' you.


Stop sniveling, and act like a man. You got one infraction from me, over a year ago.

AND I RETRACTED IT!!!!

I admitted my mistake, and retracted the infraction!

And yet here you are playing the poor innocent victim of never-ending MOD abuse.


Ive said it before and I'll say it again and again and again, you are not the know it all that you think you are!


I think you said it wrong. But I'll help.

I am not the know it all that YOU think I am.


Everyone else here has some knowledge of the game and is totally justified for saying there opinion! You need to get off your high horse and quit thinking and displaying that you are the only one that knows anything about anything around here!!!:iamwithstupid:


Oh, what a slick move.

Try to gain the favor of the crowd, by including them as victims of my merciless abuse.

A.) Don't go into politics.

B.) I think you a very football smart guy. I have said it to you, and this site, on several occasions. (Not sure how many several is)

But I think that you have a hard time expressing opinions that are based on stats.

Rather that's because you have trouble with the actual meaning of the stats, struggle to prepare the stats within discussion, are just too lazy put that much effort into some long-winded reply, or something else entirely, I don't know.

But, whatever the reason, you just present any fact-based statement that fits your argument, rather there is any truth to it, or not.

Next, because someone read the thread, and didn't agree with you...


There were alot of stats. It's just that Chief31 did more with them than you did. No offense.

You fly directly to this...


Get off his nuts!!!! So your saying because someone posts more stats than someone else, the fewer are not valid??? Genius!!!!!

Shows what a class act you are.

And I am the bully?

I told you a long time ago, that I won't Mod you, no matter what call me.

I won't ask another Mod to either.

However, there are other Mods here, and Coach has rules set.

And if you want to ensure that you don't get moderated, you should probably send that kind of trash in PMs.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Here are your stats!!!!! If you read correctly, I said TOTAL RUSHING YARDS!!!!!!! AGAIN, READ THE POST!!!!!

It's really simple!!!!! TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 366 to 290. BLACK and WHITE EXACTLY WHAT MY POST SAID! GO TO nfl.com CLICK ON CARDINALS GO TO STATS! I didn't fabricate it, it's right there!


Team Statistics
CardinalsOpponentsTOTAL FIRST DOWNS8078FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty)21 - 52 - 719 - 53 - 6THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS24/5319/46FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS1/11/3TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS14931265OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards)252 - 5.9243 - 5.2TOTAL RUSHING YARDS366290RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards)112 - 3.382 - 3.5TOTAL PASSING YARDS1127975PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg)92 - 135 - 3 - 8.592 - 151 - 9 - 6.9SACKS105FIELD GOALS5/75/6TOUCHDOWNS1411(Rushing-Passing-Returns-Defensive)2 - 11 - 0 - 13 - 7 - 0 - 1TIME OF POSSESSION31:4128:18TURNOVER RATIO

[127markaz]

I hope we can all agree that we want Coach Haley and Coach Pendergast to have nothing but success. Their recent successes in Arizona will hopefully translate to a new and reinvigorated 2009 campaign.

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!

[Canada]

Who cares where the coached before? They had some success. Most coaches who win the SB coached somewhere else before they won. Dungy did not win it in Tampa but he did in Indy. The great Bill Cowher took like 13 years to win didn't he? I am glad that these guys had some success but the ONLY numbers I am interested in are the ones they put up with the Chiefs!!

[chief31]

So, the comparison between last years team and Cards teams of the past is not even close! If you break down the offensive stats from them they are overwhelmingly in their favor:

Better avg stats than their opponents in 08 (Cardinals)


More total rushing yds per game




Here are your stats!!!!! If you read correctly, I said TOTAL RUSHING YARDS!!!!!!! AGAIN, READ THE POST!!!!!

That's not it.

Read your own post again. I am getting tired of quoting it. Can you see the part that you missed yet again? I made the letters extra large, and underlined them for ya.

But I didn't go bold it in the origional post. So you may have to look extra hard, to see that part. But it's there.



It's really simple!!!!! TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 366 to 290. BLACK and WHITE EXACTLY WHAT MY POST SAID! GO TO nfl.com CLICK ON CARDINALS GO TO STATS! I didn't fabricate it, it's right there!

366 to 290? That's the playoff numbers that you brought, that I have no interest in disputing. Because I have already agreed that they played well in the playoffs.


Team Statistics
CardinalsOpponentsTOTAL FIRST DOWNS8078FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty)21 - 52 - 719 - 53 - 6THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS24/5319/46FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS1/11/3TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS14931265OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards)252 - 5.9243 - 5.2TOTAL RUSHING YARDS366290RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards)112 - 3.382 - 3.5TOTAL PASSING YARDS1127975PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg)92 - 135 - 3 - 8.592 - 151 - 9 - 6.9SACKS105FIELD GOALS5/75/6TOUCHDOWNS1411(Rushing-Passing-Returns-Defensive)2 - 11 - 0 - 13 - 7 - 0 - 1TIME OF POSSESSION31:4128:18TURNOVER RATIO

Again, these are playoff stats.

Perhaps your only mistake here was representing playoff stats as regular season stats.

But that would mean that you believed that The Cardinals actually only allowed 290 yards in a 16 game schedule?

So, if we just move beyond this point, by accepting it as a mistake, then That's fine with me.

However, in being wrong, you have done everything in your power to make others look like idiots.

I showed you where your numbers were wrong twice (post 22 and 28), right away. But your refusal to acknowledge that you may have made a mistake leads me to the notion that it is a lie.

If you are wrong, and you were, then it is either a mistake, or a lie.

And, after I showed you where you were wrong, you insisted that there was no mistake.

But..... Just in case you aren't ready yet...

Total Rushing Yards

'08 Arizona Cardinals

1,178 (worst in The NFL)

'08 Cardinals' Opponents

1,764

[tornadospotter]

I think it's great that we have good coaches running the Chiefs now. We have the 2008 NFC SB Represeantive Offensive and Defensive coaches on our team. These men will be responsible forprepping our players, teaching them how to do the job the way they want it done, practicing them on it til they fall down and then guiding them through the games using the new system they bring with them. I have read that people believe we are copying other people well I don't call it copying anyone when you bring the people that were doing it elsewhere to where they are doing it for you now. They basically took the people that helped make Tim Whisenhunt look good. They were the reason that Whisenhunt had his team in the SB IMO and they truely did a great job. Now we are asking them to do it for our team and Todd Haley gets to do it for himself now, for his team the KC CHiefs. That has me excited about the 2009 KC Chiefs, I think he combined with Scott Pioli bringing in our new players will turn this team into Champions.
:11: Well I hope so, but time will tell this story, I just want a Super Bowl Win, or 2,3,4 before I, well you know, go feet up!:wheelchair:

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Again, these are playoff stats.

Perhaps your only mistake here was representing playoff stats as regular season stats.

But that would mean that you believed that The Cardinals actually only allowed 290 yards in a 16 game schedule?

So, if we just move beyond this point, by accepting it as a mistake, then That's fine with me.

However, in being wrong, you have done everything in your power to make others look like idiots.

I showed you where your numbers were wrong twice (post 22 and 28), right away. But your refusal to acknowledge that you may have made a mistake leads me to the notion that it is a lie.

If you are wrong, and you were, then it is either a mistake, or a lie.

And, after I showed you where you were wrong, you insisted that there was no mistake.

But..... Just in case you aren't ready yet...

Total Rushing Yards

'08 Arizona Cardinals

1,178 (worst in The NFL)

'08 Cardinals' Opponents

1,764
So I tried to handle this in the PM I sent you but you refused to deal with it that way! I simply posted what was on nfl.com and you have yet AGAIN called me a liar. You are a piece of work dude! You are the know it all of this site and won't ever let anyone say different. You are a piece of S***!!! It sure is funny how you want to play Mr. Mod in a lot of cases that have to do with name calling etc. however when it comes to you doing the same it is N/A!!!!! My skin is plenty thick so it doesn't really affect me but what does is that you feel you can get away with it while telling others not to do it! Your a punk!!!! Practice what you preach or shut up!!!! You have been the sole result in several members leaving this site because of your holier than thou attitude. Chiefster, I think it is your responsibility as a neutral mod in most situations to deal with this guy friend or not! He has displayed this demeanor for far too long and it is time he play by the rules that he so openly preaches!!!!

[chief31]

So I tried to handle this in the PM I sent you but you refused to deal with it that way! I simply posted what was on nfl.com and you have yet AGAIN called me a liar. You are a piece of work dude! You are the know it all of this site and won't ever let anyone say different. You are a piece of S***!!! It sure is funny how you want to play Mr. Mod in a lot of cases that have to do with name calling etc. however when it comes to you doing the same it is N/A!!!!! My skin is plenty thick so it doesn't really affect me but what does is that you feel you can get away with it while telling others not to do it! Your a punk!!!! Practice what you preach or shut up!!!! You have been the sole result in several members leaving this site because of your holier than thou attitude. Chiefster, I think it is your responsibility as a neutral mod in most situations to deal with this guy friend or not! He has displayed this demeanor for far too long and it is time he play by the rules that he so openly preaches!!!!


The suggestion for PMs was for you to do your name-calling there, and avoid getting moderated.

Beyond that, your reply doesn't say anything that is relevant to... anything.

Just a bunch of nonsense to try and bury the fact that you were wrong.

Have you tried monkeying with the "Ignore" feature of the site? That may help you solve the problem that you are having.

[Canada]

...and I get the warning for fighting in threads!!

[Drunker Hillbilly]

...and I get the warning for fighting in threads!!
I know Canada. I get them too but some how a few are able to get away with things others aren't. I guess that was the whole point to my post.

[Canada]

Yeah, but do you have any stats to back it up?:D

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Yeah, but do you have any stats to back it up?:D
AWESOME!!!!:yahoo:

[honda522]

As long as carl and herm are gone, I don't care who's running it. Once we make some moves on OL and DL, we'll be OK. I think we have bright spots, but until the lines are set, we're in trouble.
This.

[okikcfan]

We cannot really compair The Cards to The Chiefs and Stats don't really matter. The fact is yes we have their DC and we have their OC as our head coach. The fact is this is a whole new football team, New GM, New Players, New QB, New everything and we are starting with a clean slate and we Will be a changed team by the end of the 09 season, we may have a slow start but we will rock the AFC West once again. BELIEVE IT!!!

[Chiefster]

We cannot really compair The Cards to The Chiefs and Stats don't really matter. The fact is yes we have their DC and we have their OC as our head coach. The fact is this is a whole new football team, New GM, New Players, New QB, New everything and we are starting with a clean slate and we Will be a changed team by the end of the 09 season, we may have a slow start but we will rock the AFC West once again. BELIEVE IT!!!

Agreed. Thread closed.

[Chiefster]

So I tried to handle this in the PM I sent you but you refused to deal with it that way! I simply posted what was on nfl.com and you have yet AGAIN called me a liar. You are a piece of work dude! You are the know it all of this site and won't ever let anyone say different. You are a piece of S***!!! It sure is funny how you want to play Mr. Mod in a lot of cases that have to do with name calling etc. however when it comes to you doing the same it is N/A!!!!! My skin is plenty thick so it doesn't really affect me but what does is that you feel you can get away with it while telling others not to do it! Your a punk!!!! Practice what you preach or shut up!!!! You have been the sole result in several members leaving this site because of your holier than thou attitude. Chiefster, I think it is your responsibility as a neutral mod in most situations to deal with this guy friend or not! He has displayed this demeanor for far too long and it is time he play by the rules that he so openly preaches!!!!

Ok, just so there's no ambiguity here: I am NOT some kind of super-duper head mod or anything; chief31 has all the same mod capabilities and authority that I do, and from what I've seen he has yet to wield it in any way maliciously or irresponsibly. I went through the entire thread reading all of his post replies and did not find anywhere a violation of the rules. He was not in anyway disrespectful, nor did he engage in any childish name calling. As for my friendship to chief31 goes; yes he is a friend - won't deny it, however, before he was a mod I did moderate him, friend or not, and probably a lot harsher then he has ever moderated you. Since then he has proved himself, demonstrating time and time again the ability to not only uphold but enforce, where necessary, the sites rules with even handedness.

I hope this clears up any confusion one might have regarding my role in the site's hierarchy.