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honda522
03-23-2009, 01:03 PM
Rumor from another website form a source, says they are looking toward Jason Smith OT from Baylor.

Any thoughts?

I think this would be good if its true. Cause pretty much we can guarentee Curry will be there.

pbatrucker
03-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Rumor from another website form a source, says they are looking toward Jason Smith OT from Baylor.

Any thoughts?

I think this would be good if its true. Cause pretty much we can guarentee Curry will be there.
I read the same article. I have the impression they are talking with the agents of three diffrent players, trying to get leverage in drafting who they really want. they'll let everyone know before the end of the month.
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jmlamerson
03-23-2009, 01:48 PM
Rumor from another website form a source, says they are looking toward Jason Smith OT from Baylor.

Any thoughts?

I think this would be good if its true. Cause pretty much we can guarentee Curry will be there.

People need to stop the Curry love. When was the last time a top-5 LB turned out to be worth the pick? DT. And Curry's no DT.

Smart move by the Lions. Smith will anchor their line for the next decade. They can go QB either with the 20th pick (if Josh Freeman is there), they can go with more OL (Duke Robinson or Alex Mack), or they can go LB/DL.

They have enough holes on the team that any they can pick the best player on the board.

honda522
03-23-2009, 02:25 PM
People need to stop the Curry love. When was the last time a top-5 LB turned out to be worth the pick? DT. And Curry's no DT.


So who do you want them to pick?
Our defense is our weak spot and has been. We need go defensive players. Especially at Linebacker or Dline.

jmlamerson
03-23-2009, 03:21 PM
So who do you want them to pick?
Our defense is our weak spot and has been. We need go defensive players. Especially at Linebacker or Dline.

The obvious answer is trade down, but we all know that's a long shot.

I think Raji at NT or Smith/Monroe at LT (should they drop) are better picks.

I just don't see the fuss about Curry. He's a versatile LB that can play the 3-4 or 4-3. He's great against the run. He's going to be a very good to great LB in the league. He's a safe pick in that respect.

But he's a LB. Like safeties, CBs, WRs, RBs, and TEs, I think LBs are very bad players to draft high. A LB is usually replaceable (not under Herm/CP, sure, but they were idiots). It's usually a bad idea to sink too much money in that position.

Am I missing someone, or has there been a good LB taken in the top-5 since DT? And DT was a pass-rushing LB that could rack up sacks. Curry isn't, which isn't a knock against him, but he isn't that guy.

Where I could see us getting a very good LB in the 3rd round - someone who could start at OLB from day 1 - I don't see us getting a LT or NT there.

And I just think a NT is a bigger need for us than LB, should Smith/Monroe go 1 and 2. Right now, we have no one on the DL who I trust in the 4-3, much less the 3-4. Dorsey isn't a NT (he's barely big enough to be a 4-3 DT), and I'll never understand why Tank has defenders on this board. I just don't see us having a lot of choices here.

Even in its cobbled state, a 3-4 LB corps of DJ/Vrabel/Beisel/Williams would be adequate (not good, but adequate) to get us through 2009. A 3-4 DL of Dorsey/Tank/Hali isn't. A 4-3 DL of Dorsey/Tank/Hali/Draft pick isn't, if we decide we can't move to the 3-4 this season. Teams will just run on us, wearing our LBs out and controlling the clock unless we get a big DT in the middle of that line.

Our DL in 2008 was the worst of all time. This isn't exaggeration. We couldn't rush the passer or stop the run. As good as Curry is (and don't get me wrong, he is good), he isn't going to be able to fix that problem. A big NT like Raji could go a long way to helping our DL look respectable in 2009.

jmlamerson
03-23-2009, 04:50 PM
I agree with most of what you say except I am not sold on Raji. I would like to think he is the guy that can turn our Defense around . Time will tell what happens but I am starting to think we don't need to have a LB with the aquiring of Vrabel and Beisel.

At the very least, we can draft a starting LB in the 3rd or 4th rounds, if we're not sold on Beisel being a starter.

In all of this Curry excitement, people have forgotten how miserable our DL players are. Even if Dorsey takes the leap into being a Warren Sapp style DT (he was never drafted to be a space eating DT), our run defense would still be a sieve. We need big, heavy guys to anchor our DL before anything else.

jmlamerson
03-23-2009, 06:28 PM
Big heavy guys are allgood as long as they don't end up lookin like William Perry did at the end of his career and Raji makes me think of that type of guy. He looks good now but if he don't keep his regiment up he could end up as a fat body that doesn't stop shlt. That is why I looked at Brown as he is a in shape guy that looks like he works out and will keep working out , he is fast and without injury will stay fast. I guess we will see what happens , Pioli and Haley haven't had Raji to the practice facility for a work out yet so I would say they are looking at Brown and same with Curry , he hasn't made a visit either. Usually men that visit get a position if they look good.

If Raji tirns out to be half as good as The Fridge, we'd be nuts to miss out on him. I'd be happy if Raji ended getting a TD for us in the SB before his body went to pot.

Bike
03-23-2009, 06:39 PM
LMMFATFSO!!!!!!! Maybe The Fridge was a bad choice but I think you know what I mean. Besides our GM and HC havn't looked at him at all , atleast it hasn't been reported.
Pioli has a saucerful of secrets!!

TheLateGreat#58Fan
03-23-2009, 09:44 PM
The fact of the matter is we could use help from almost all of the guys we've mentioned here. The team must see Everette Brown as the top pass rushing LB in the draft. Curry has the speed but didnt play in a defense that brought a have a heavy pass rush from his position. A valid point you made was the fact that if Raji's off the board where are we gonna get a 3-4 NT first off, and we could def. use help at DT I also am not sold on Tank. Raji looked like a freak at the combine, his pro day, and the senior bowl. I dont see how we go outside of Raji, Curry, one of the tackles, or part of me would love to see this offense with Crabtree. But if we take Crabtree I realize we still need to shore up the OLine.
I am more excited about this off season than I have been in a long time.

tornadospotter
03-23-2009, 10:36 PM
I want the draft to be here and over with! Who ever we draft! Lets get a Chief!!!!!:11:

DT14PRIEST
03-23-2009, 11:23 PM
I've heard they've talked to several canidates to begin preliminary negotiations on contract details. JAson Smith, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe, Stafford, Raji etc... They still have private work outs to wade through so any news up to this point that isn't solid is just another product of the rumor mill.

That being said I fully expect them to go with Stafford at number one.

AkChief49
03-23-2009, 11:45 PM
I've heard they've talked to several canidates to begin preliminary negotiations on contract details. JAson Smith, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe, Stafford, Raji etc... They still have private work outs to wade through so any news up to this point that isn't solid is just another product of the rumor mill.
That being said I fully
expect them to go with Stafford at number one .
that would be good for them-they've picked enough WR's. Stafford scored a 38 on his wonderlic, smart dude. Now they should just go ahead and sign him so we can figure on Monroe, Smith, Curry:D

bigpoppachief
03-24-2009, 02:00 AM
The obvious answer is trade down, but we all know that's a long shot.

I think Raji at NT or Smith/Monroe at LT (should they drop) are better picks.

I just don't see the fuss about Curry. He's a versatile LB that can play the 3-4 or 4-3. He's great against the run. He's going to be a very good to great LB in the league. He's a safe pick in that respect.

But he's a LB. Like safeties, CBs, WRs, RBs, and TEs, I think LBs are very bad players to draft high. A LB is usually replaceable (not under Herm/CP, sure, but they were idiots). It's usually a bad idea to sink too much money in that position.

Am I missing someone, or has there been a good LB taken in the top-5 since DT? And DT was a pass-rushing LB that could rack up sacks. Curry isn't, which isn't a knock against him, but he isn't that guy.

Where I could see us getting a very good LB in the 3rd round - someone who could start at OLB from day 1 - I don't see us getting a LT or NT there.

And I just think a NT is a bigger need for us than LB, should Smith/Monroe go 1 and 2. Right now, we have no one on the DL who I trust in the 4-3, much less the 3-4. Dorsey isn't a NT (he's barely big enough to be a 4-3 DT), and I'll never understand why Tank has defenders on this board. I just don't see us having a lot of choices here.

Even in its cobbled state, a 3-4 LB corps of DJ/Vrabel/Beisel/Williams would be adequate (not good, but adequate) to get us through 2009. A 3-4 DL of Dorsey/Tank/Hali isn't. A 4-3 DL of Dorsey/Tank/Hali/Draft pick isn't, if we decide we can't move to the 3-4 this season. Teams will just run on us, wearing our LBs out and controlling the clock unless we get a big DT in the middle of that line.

Our DL in 2008 was the worst of all time. This isn't exaggeration. We couldn't rush the passer or stop the run. As good as Curry is (and don't get me wrong, he is good), he isn't going to be able to fix that problem. A big NT like Raji could go a long way to helping our DL look respectable in 2009.


I dont like Raji I do not think it is that great watched film on him and yeah he looks okay but have not seen anything special. Dorsey is going to be a beast im telling you he has a year under his belt and he did not have a horrible season especially when he had no help and could be double teamed. I think Curry can be a beast but honestly I am hoping smith or monroe falls to three because we could move Albert back to being a G and he would dominate at that position or if worse comes to worse move to the right side I just think with a new QB we got to protect him and thats most important. I am really tore though because I personally like Orapko better than Curry. I dont know I will be a fan whoever we sign draft day :D

AussieChiefsFan
03-24-2009, 02:40 AM
Rumor from another website form a source, says they are looking toward Jason Smith OT from Baylor.

Any thoughts?

I think this would be good if its true. Cause pretty much we can guarentee Curry will be there.
Yeah I think this is great! We really need Curry and id we DO get him it'll be just another piece to the puzzle of getting The CHIEFS back to the top!

jmlamerson
03-24-2009, 10:35 AM
I dont like Raji I do not think it is that great watched film on him and yeah he looks okay but have not seen anything special. Dorsey is going to be a beast im telling you he has a year under his belt and he did not have a horrible season especially when he had no help and could be double teamed. I think Curry can be a beast but honestly I am hoping smith or monroe falls to three because we could move Albert back to being a G and he would dominate at that position or if worse comes to worse move to the right side I just think with a new QB we got to protect him and thats most important. I am really tore though because I personally like Orapko better than Curry. I dont know I will be a fan whoever we sign draft day :D

This urban legend that Dorsey was double teamed needs to stop. He was knocked on his a$$ by single defenders all year. He might get better in 2009, but he was miserable, especially against the run, in 2008. We need a big, space eating DT. It doesn't have to be Raji, but it needs to come from somewhere in the draft (or less likely, FA).

If you haven't seen anything special about Raji in gametape, watch him at the Senior Bowl.

We aren't drafting Orakpo. We're moving to a 3-4, and he's too small to play DE there. And we're not drafting an OLB/DE hybrid at 3.

prough91
03-24-2009, 12:55 PM
When it comes to Curry, I think we all need to quit comparing him to DT. DT will always hold a special place in most of our hearts even if, statistically, Curry out performs him. Let's be honest, when DT was drafted who really believed he was going to be as special as he was?

Chief Tyler
03-24-2009, 01:28 PM
When it comes to Curry, I think we all need to quit comparing him to DT. DT will always hold a special place in most of our hearts even if, statistically, Curry out performs him. Let's be honest, when DT was drafted who really believed he was going to be as special as he was?

I wasn't old enough to talk when he was drafted, but every Chief draft choice is special until proven otherwise!

bigpoppachief
03-24-2009, 03:53 PM
This urban legend that Dorsey was double teamed needs to stop. He was knocked on his a$$ by single defenders all year. He might get better in 2009, but he was miserable, especially against the run, in 2008. We need a big, space eating DT. It doesn't have to be Raji, but it needs to come from somewhere in the draft (or less likely, FA).

If you haven't seen anything special about Raji in gametape, watch him at the Senior Bowl.

We aren't drafting Orakpo. We're moving to a 3-4, and he's too small to play DE there. And we're not drafting an OLB/DE hybrid at 3.


Honestly the more I watch film on Everette Brown the more I like that kid. He is a pass rushing machine. I just wish the draft would get here though tired of waiting lol

brish
03-24-2009, 05:04 PM
When throwing as much money at a guy as you have to in the top 5, there are also other qualities to look at.
How is that guy as a person? Will he provide stability in the locker room? Or will he be someone you have to trade / release in 3 years because of greed / off-field problems? Or will he spend half his career in jail or suspended?
Thats the main reason I like Curry over the other excellent athletes who will be there when its our turn, he is a PRO!

I don't think there is enough evidence on Curry to say that he can't pass rush, so that might be something worth investigating more closely.

It would be awesome to have a big-mean NT to crush the pocket on every play too, but I just don't know if Raji is worth that kind of money either.

figcrostic
03-25-2009, 03:29 PM
People need to stop the Curry love. When was the last time a top-5 LB turned out to be worth the pick? DT. And Curry's no DT.

Smart move by the Lions. Smith will anchor their line for the next decade. They can go QB either with the 20th pick (if Josh Freeman is there), they can go with more OL (Duke Robinson or Alex Mack), or they can go LB/DL.

They have enough holes on the team that any they can pick the best player on the board.

completely agree I would not waste a high pick on a LB they are a dime a dozen

KottkeKU
03-25-2009, 05:39 PM
Look at what Shawne Merriman means to the Chargers defense....we do not have a leader like that...LBs are usually the on field leaders, and Curry is without question the best defensive player in the draft...Raji is good, but not no.3 overall type good...i would be happy with an OL as well, you can never have enough good lineman

Chiefster
03-25-2009, 06:00 PM
Look at what Shawne Merriman means to the Chargers defense....we do not have a leader like that...LBs are usually the on field leaders, and Curry is without question the best defensive player in the draft...Raji is good, but not no.3 overall type good...i would be happy with an OL as well, you can never have enough good lineman

Agreed.