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Ldub
04-02-2009, 08:32 AM
Running back Larry Johnson could return to Chiefs, agent says - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4031529)

I was suprised he will be atending team workouts, thats very unLJ like. I think its sounding more and more likely Larry will be a Chief next year.

yashi
04-02-2009, 08:43 AM
LJs so full of it. The only reason he's acting this way is because the Chiefs are currently in the process of filing a grievance against him so they can cut him without having to pay his salary. If he isn't on his best behavior, then they'd definitely cut him if they win. He won't get anywhere close to the money he's getting right now elsewhere.

OPLookn
04-02-2009, 01:10 PM
LJs so full of it. The only reason he's acting this way is because the Chiefs are currently in the process of filing a grievance against him so they can cut him without having to pay his salary. If he isn't on his best behavior, then they'd definitely cut him if they win. He won't get anywhere close to the money he's getting right now elsewhere.

Great post in my opinion. LJ just wants to step lightly get his money and look good so Haley doesn't cut him. Then when he's on board for the season, they lose a game or two, he doesn't get his carries or someone says the wrong thing to him he'll blow up yet again. You can't change someone that doesn't want to change.

I'm hoping they'll win the claim and then we can either keep LJ or get rid of him. I hate being tied to someone simply because it's to expensive to get rid of them...and yes, I'm refering to LJ. :lol:

Lazeye
04-02-2009, 02:12 PM
I think that some people in life NEED direction and not what Herm gave and tht is it's ok I am on your side you will do better crap and Dick V. did'nt help LJ's mood. Alot of people join the military cause they are just a flat screw up and I wrong? Todd H. is going to bring that I don't care about that attitude and make people follow his way or be gone and LJ does not want to lose out on money. I really think that 1 season under his new coach will help shape him into who he needs to be as a FOOTBALL player and well the off the field junk LJ needs to mature.

hometeam
04-02-2009, 05:21 PM
LJ is doing it for LJ..

Just like some people had mentioned, when a player acts out alot (aka cutler) it limits teams. Hes basically working out in hopes he can look good to another team who will come in and pick him up.

Also, of course hes keeping an open mind about being a chief, if Pioli decides not to trade him, he WILL play, becuase if he doesnt he wont get paid, and thats all he really cares about.

chief31
04-02-2009, 09:44 PM
The CHiefs won't cut LJ but if they win the junction against him they will just simply adjust the contract so he can still be with the team , just not at the price he weasled out of CP. I really can't believe that he got away with the blackmale job he pulled on us but CP didn't know what to do. He didn't know we could just rely on Kolby Smith as he was basically a Rookie unknown as far as the NFL Level of play. If he only knew then LJ wouldn't be a Chief now.

If The Chiefs do win, then they are allowed to nullify his contract, or not. (I believe.)

I don't think that they have the option to retain him without paying him, unless they renegotiate with him.

We all know that LJ doesn't want to be here. So he will likely try the open market, as opposed to allowing The Chiefs to lock him up for a lesser muli-year deal.

Perhaps there is a a one-year contract that could be agreed upon. But why would The Chiefs even want that, considering that he may not be allowed to play for half of the season?

I'm not certain that he is gone. But I can't see why The Chiefs wouldn't take this opportunity to rid themselves of a major headache.

jason1981
04-02-2009, 10:20 PM
For some odd reason i think he could have a break out year if he has the right attitude. I kinda hope we keep him. Although tomarrow i might loose that thought

chief31
04-02-2009, 10:25 PM
I don't believe the junction has been filed yet, it was something that was mentioned by the KC Star as they hate LJ with a passion and posted the story to generate some negativity in the KC area towards him. If they do you can bet your a$$ they are doing it to have the ability to redo his contract but not to cut him as we really don't have the best backing crew for RB's right now. I seen in the interview Haley gave that he considers this an opertunity for all players to be on a level field. That means that it is possible they are gonna leave LJ alone and see if he pulls any crap, then do what they need to but if he is happy and gonna do early drills , I am all for it as he can help us on the field if he is in a positive way.

If they can get him at a real bargain price, then I will be fine with that.

But they can't do that without LJ agreeing to a new contract. And some other team is willing to pay him more than he is worth, so I imagine he will go for that, as opposed to staying here for less.

The Chiefs don't hold all of the cards here. But the ability to cut him is a trump card that we have been sorely missing these past two years.

Chief Tyler
04-02-2009, 10:31 PM
If only we could get a behavior/leadership incentive clause in his contract...

chief31
04-02-2009, 10:49 PM
I don't understand what basis your making all of these statements from. The Chiefs have not filed any type of action against LJ nor has the league as far as I know. As I stated above the KC Star posted a story saying the Chiefs COULD do it but wether it happens or has happened I don't think it has nor will happen.


Sports Illustrated?

Kansas City Chiefs News, Schedule, Photos, Stats, Players, NFL Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/chiefs/)

Yahoo Sports?

Larry Johnson - Kansas City Chiefs - News - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6363/news)

Fox Sports?

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Kansas City Chiefs Team Front (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/kansas-city-chiefs)

The hearing is happening.

Bike
04-02-2009, 10:51 PM
Well, its nice that LJ is keeping an open mind about staying a Chief - considering he is under contract.

chief31
04-02-2009, 11:36 PM
They all said there was no ruling made. As I said before you are speculating and assuming. I will wait to see what they rule then continue that conversation. As for him stating keeping an open mind, I think that is alot better than the last public statement the man made, whether it's manufactured or ot is another issue and only him and his agent know that. :D
I still hope he remains a Chief.

The reply that you are responding to has no assumptions.

It is just links to show that the Chiefs do have an ongoing action against LJ.

The only reason I posted that, is because you Said this...


I don't understand what basis your making all of these statements from. The Chiefs have not filed any type of action against LJ nor has the league as far as I know. As I stated above the KC Star posted a story saying the Chiefs COULD do it but wether it happens or has happened I don't think it has nor will happen.

And, with having said this as well...


I watch the NFL Network 24/7. I also am online reading about the Chiefs and so forth so yes I do understand the situation that is in front of LJ and the team at this time and as far as I am concerned you are making alot of assumption calls and one thing I learned when one assumes too much, it makes an a$$ outt youand me. I don't think anything major will happen with LJ this season unless he pulls out a pistol and shoots someone as the league is dealing with Plexico Burress and his gun and shooting himself in the leg situation. What LJ did isn't even news on NFL.com nor is it news on the NFL Network or even Chiefs.com. Only place it's news is on the KC Star and in the posted threads of forums like this one. I just don't see the scenerio your laying out and feel that your wishing for it to happen more than knowing it will but, that is just my opinion.

I would have thought that you would have known about this...


Sports Illustrated?

Kansas City Chiefs News, Schedule, Photos, Stats, Players, NFL Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/chiefs/)

Yahoo Sports?

Larry Johnson - Kansas City Chiefs - News - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6363/news)

Fox Sports?

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Kansas City Chiefs Team Front (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/kansas-city-chiefs)

The hearing is happening.

Clearly I am speculating. Most of what goes on around is speculation and opinion.

Can you tell me that you don't do that at all?

(Watch out. I sometimes find things around here.:D )

Anyway, I try to make sure that all of my guesses and speculations are labeled as such. But mistakes do happen.

chief31
04-03-2009, 12:26 AM
Your making some in your guesses and assumptions as well as speculations regarding LJ. I doubt he will sit out the entire season or even half. We will soon see what happens , lets try to continue the conversation about this then so we have some concrete evidence to discuss instead of debating over wether or not he is having a trial. I can't wait til there is more posotive things to discuss instead of bashing players that will be helping us get to the Superbowl. :sign0098:

If it's ok with you? I am going to continue to express guesses and assumptions. Just as you do.

But if it's facts that you would rather discuss, I am prepared for that too.

And the fact that LJ was suspended last season, before pleading guilty to two separate incidents, does seem rather compelling.

In FACT, (I will let you look this one up, if you wish) the league suspensions tend to get worse for repeat offenders.

All you are doing lately is arguing the color of the grass.

LJ has trouble ahead of him. You know it, as do I. It's been getting covered by the major sports news networks just in the past few days.

And with the threat (At the absolute least) of suspension looming for LJ, with a huge contract, his value is extremely low.

Argue the grass color all you want. But it is all for nothing.

The situation is real for LJ and The Chiefs. Being allowed to get out of that contract with LJ would be a huge blessing to this team.

That is why they are trying to.

ChiefsFanOhio
04-03-2009, 10:49 AM
There has to be a team out there that would be willing to pay his contract. LJ is still a premier back in the league. I say trade his butt for atleast some picks. Why cut him? Get nothing for him? Thats crazy. Im sure the Browns, Saints or even Bears would take a look at him. I could see the Saints getting him instead of drafting a RB such as Beanie Wells from Ohio State.

okikcfan
04-03-2009, 12:40 PM
LJ had the Master meeting on Wednesday, no IMO if and I do say IF the Chiefs win the grevince then they can redo his contract and pay him less money. I do not think at this time there has been much interest in LJ but if the Chiefs win well that could very much change. Now, Pioli could do what some say he does best and wheel and deal his way to another pick but that would leave us with another spot to fill unless it involved some sort of a trade deal a we all could go on forever with that one.

chief31
04-03-2009, 01:03 PM
I'm all for getting the $$$$ back but he will come back to the Chiefs for one reason and one reason only, he has no value to any other team since he hasn't played a full 16 game season as a starting back in 2 years , MY GUESS on that is he would accept a 1 or 2 year contract with the Chiefs to try and rebuild his stock so when his contract is up and he becomes a Free Agent he will be able to get a bigger payday. Who knows , he might win a Championship in the proccess.
I really don't care about the color of grass but I do understand how having a professional attitude affects pay days in any job situation and the CHiefs are using this to their advantage to aquire the funds LJ don't deserve but, LJ will need a job and he will be willing to negotiate, that is unless he wants to get signed by a losing squad and from the negative reports he blurted out on KC local radio stations during last season and towards the end he doesn't want to be on a losing squad . No winning team or team with great chemistry will want to pick up LJ in fear of his attitude. However like I said when I started this paragraph, I am guessing as I do not know Larry Johnson personally.

So basically, this all boils down to your guess that he would rather get a paycut here, than with another team.

If The Chiefs win this grievance, then he is going to have to take a paycut either way.

But I do believe that if they di, in fact, win, then they are allowed to cut him without the penalty of paying his guaranteed money.

The option of keeping him locked under contract, without honoring the contract doesn't seem like anything that I have ever heard of, nor would believe without it happening.

And then, I would be quite shocked.

But I have seen things that have shocked me before. So I suppose that I can't rule that out, until I get the details. (Not in the mood to research it right now.)

But, with LJ having expressed and displayed a desire to not play for The Chiefs, I have to believe that he would choose to try the open market, over staying here, any day of the week.

okikcfan
04-03-2009, 01:34 PM
So basically, this all boils down to your guess that he would rather get a paycut here, than with another team.

If The Chiefs win this grievance, then he is going to have to take a paycut either way.

But I do believe that if they di, in fact, win, then they are allowed to cut him without the penalty of paying his guaranteed money.

The option of keeping him locked under contract, without honoring the contract doesn't seem like anything that I have ever heard of, nor would believe without it happening.

And then, I would be quite shocked.

But I have seen things that have shocked me before. So I suppose that I can't rule that out, until I get the details. (Not in the mood to research it right now.)

But, with LJ having expressed and displayed a desire to not play for The Chiefs, I have to believe that he would choose to try the open market, over staying here, any day of the week.


The entire Masters Meeting is about Money. Breach of Contract. If they win it IS my understanding he will stll be under contract with the Chiefs but the Chiefs will not have to pay the full amount due in his current contract. They will (if the Chiefs win) will be able to cut him and owe him nothing. LJ is currently a bad apple to alot of teams and no one will want him for what is is owed now. So with that said he will have to take a pay cut one way or another. It's his loss if he still wants to leave and if the Chiefs win, well who knows what Pioli will do next...

Big Daddy Tek
04-04-2009, 01:15 AM
For some odd reason i think he could have a break out year if he has the right attitude. I kinda hope we keep him. Although tomarrow i might loose that thought

I agree with the :sign0104: . GO LJ!!

Chief Tyler
04-04-2009, 11:26 AM
The NFL is a business, and players are first and foremost employees of the business. Naturally, players are going to be more selfish than others, allbeit, some more than others (Larry Fitz wanting to take a pay cut is pretty admirable). If the new management can work a deal and get the best out of LJ, on and off the field, who cares if LJ does it for LJ. I bet 90% of the league is just as selfish, you just have to know how to adapt to and control the situations (unlike the Redskins and nowadays the Donkeys). LJ is still the best running back the Chiefs have, give him a reason to excel for himself and he'll excel for the team too.

Bike
04-04-2009, 11:35 AM
I'm all for getting the $$$$ back but he will come back to the Chiefs for one reason and one reason only, he has no value to any other team since he hasn't played a full 16 game season as a starting back in 2 years , MY GUESS on that is he would accept a 1 or 2 year contract with the Chiefs to try and rebuild his stock so when his contract is up and he becomes a Free Agent he will be able to get a bigger payday. Who knows , he might win a Championship in the proccess.
I really don't care about the color of grass but I do understand how having a professional attitude affects pay days in any job situation and the CHiefs are using this to their advantage to aquire the funds LJ don't deserve but, LJ will need a job and he will be willing to negotiate, that is unless he wants to get signed by a losing squad and from the negative reports he blurted out on KC local radio stations during last season and towards the end he doesn't want to be on a losing squad . No winning team or team with great chemistry will want to pick up LJ in fear of his attitude. However like I said when I started this paragraph, I am guessing as I do not know Larry Johnson personally.
HUH? The dude is 30 years old!! LJ's big paydays and contracts are behind him. The median playing time for a runningback in the NFL is 5 seasons. Couple that with his attitude and off-field problems and you can easily see the writing on the wall. LJ is officially cooked.

Coach
04-04-2009, 12:10 PM
There has to be a team out there that would be willing to pay his contract. LJ is still a premier back in the league. I say trade his butt for atleast some picks. Why cut him? Get nothing for him? Thats crazy. Im sure the Browns, Saints or even Bears would take a look at him. I could see the Saints getting him instead of drafting a RB such as Beanie Wells from Ohio State.

Bears, I'd be shocked. Saints, most likely option. Browns, again very doubtful.

KC can always walk away from LJ's contract and salary but they will take a cap hit. Considering they are roughly $40mm under the cap last time I checked, I don't think they really care. KC can't walk away from the roughly $3.5mm in guaranteed money promised to LJ unless they win their grievance against him. The grievance is all about the guaranteed money, not salary. If the Chiefs had planned to keep LJ, they wouldn't have filed the grievance.

So the 2 most likely outcomes:
1. KC wins grievance, LJ is cut and plays for another team. Once he is cut, he has no ties to KC and visa versa.
2. KC loses grievance, LJ stays on the roster or could be traded. Regarding a trade via the draft, LJ would likely garner no more that a 4th-5th round pick at this point though. However he could be packaged with a pick that would help us move up a couple of spots to get someone. If he were part of a deal like that, they Chiefs could move up approximately 5-10 spots from the early 3rd round pick to a late 2nd round pick. A possible suitor could be Philly's pick at #52. Philly could use a guy like LJ backing up Westbook, and the Chiefs could go get Duke Robinson to play RG and begin the Brian Waters transition plan.

Lot's of speculation, but these are the likely outcomes.

ctchiefsfan
04-06-2009, 04:53 PM
Bears, I'd be shocked. Saints, most likely option. Browns, again very doubtful.

KC can always walk away from LJ's contract and salary but they will take a cap hit. Considering they are roughly $40mm under the cap last time I checked, I don't think they really care. KC can't walk away from the roughly $3.5mm in guaranteed money promised to LJ unless they win their grievance against him. The grievance is all about the guaranteed money, not salary. If the Chiefs had planned to keep LJ, they wouldn't have filed the grievance.

So the 2 most likely outcomes:
1. KC wins grievance, LJ is cut and plays for another team. Once he is cut, he has no ties to KC and visa versa.
2. KC loses grievance, LJ stays on the roster or could be traded. Regarding a trade via the draft, LJ would likely garner no more that a 4th-5th round pick at this point though. However he could be packaged with a pick that would help us move up a couple of spots to get someone. If he were part of a deal like that, they Chiefs could move up approximately 5-10 spots from the early 3rd round pick to a late 2nd round pick. A possible suitor could be Philly's pick at #52. Philly could use a guy like LJ backing up Westbook, and the Chiefs could go get Duke Robinson to play RG and begin the Brian Waters transition plan.

Lot's of speculation, but these are the likely outcomes.

#2 sure sounds like something Paoli would do. And I see no reason that having won the grievance takes this kind of an option off the table. The Giants cut PB immediately. We haven't cut LJ. What is Paoli cooking in that witches brew?