View Full Version : Damon or Brodie?
sling58
08-04-2007, 10:07 AM
Who's going to be the starter?
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Coach
08-04-2007, 10:11 AM
Place some of your arrowcash on this wager in the fantasy sportsbook. I'm betting on Croyle, but hoping for Huard.
I just think it would be a nightmare if we started with Croyle, then had to replace him with Huard. If Huard struggled, then we would have to go back to Croyle.
Where if we just start with Huard, it would be easier to move to Croyle if Huard struggled since Croyle is our "QB of the future". Also, Huard played pretty well last year.
sling58
08-04-2007, 10:20 AM
I do agree with you. Damon did a great job last year when he stepped in when Trent got hurt. I think we should give Damon his shot to start for us. If he struggles throw the young gun in. What would it hurt to give Damon his chance? No matter what, Tony will make either of the QB's look good no matter who's slinging the pigskin at him.
:yahoo:
chief31
08-04-2007, 11:11 AM
I'm in the same boat. If we let the kid start, there is a good chance that his confidence could get crushed. If we start Huard and he struggles, then Croyle may feel better about struggling, himself.
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=768
My thoughts are here. Let me just say that I disagree that we should play it safe. We've been doing that for how long? How many times has that worked out for us?
chief31
08-04-2007, 12:29 PM
Under the circumstances, I can't see it as being safe, but as being smart. If we destroy Croyles confidence, what do we do about the future?
Under the circumstances, I can't see it as being safe, but as being smart. If we destroy Croyles confidence, what do we do about the future?What kind of confidence are we giving him if we're basically saying we don't trust that he can handle starting? Ths is the NFL, not Mighty Mites.
sling58
08-04-2007, 12:33 PM
True, hate to waste Croyle now to jeopardize the future. That's why I think Damon would be better. He proved last year he could when and was once behind Peyton when Trent took back over. Let Damon start this year and play Brodie from time to time to get him some confidence then set him loose next year.
True, hate to waste Croyle now to jeopardize the future. That's why I think Damon would be better. He proved last year he could when and was once behind Peyton when Trent took back over. Let Damon start this year and play Brodie from time to time to get him some confidence then set him loose next year.
Or we end up starting Huard again because he started this year. We end up trading Croyle because we haven't given him a chance to prove himself starting, he ends up being a superstar somewhere else, and we end up saying, "Man, I wish we would have taken a chance on him."
chief31
08-04-2007, 01:07 PM
What kind of confidence are we giving him if we're basically saying we don't trust that he can handle starting? Ths is the NFL, not Mighty Mites.
Look at how David Carr performed. It took him several years to get his act together. Then look at Phillip Rivers.
Alot of guys get the feeling that they can't do it, if they play poorly, when the start for the first time.
As far as what kind of confidence we are giving...
It's not that we don't trust him to start, but that Huard has earned it. Or, at least, that's what we let him believe. We owe it to Damon to afford him that opportunity. That and we want him to be "seasoned". Those goofy words tend to work, when the coach uses them to the young players.
Look at how David Carr performed. It took him several years to get his act together. Then look at Phillip Rivers.
Alot of guys get the feeling that they can't do it, if they play poorly, when the start for the first time.
As far as what kind of confidence we are giving...
It's not that we don't trust him to start, but that Huard has earned it. Or, at least, that's what we let him believe. We owe it to Damon to afford him that opportunity. That and we want him to be "seasoned". Those goofy words tend to work, when the coach uses them to the young players.
If Trent Green hadn't of gotten injured, we wouldn't have been forced to give Huard a chance. Everyone was scared to death when we had to. Maybe we should let them compete for it, and just see how it turns out.
No matter who gets it, I think it's a bad idea to voluntarily switch QB's mid-season, especially with so many younger players. Whoever we start, I vote to stick with them.
Coach
08-04-2007, 01:20 PM
If we start Huard, then have to bring in Croyle. We can let Croyle play the season out. If we start Croyle, then Bring in Huard, only to bring Croyle back. Then things turn into a big mess IMO.
zona chief
08-04-2007, 03:56 PM
We wil have a better idea after pre-season game 2. If Brodie is struggling at that point Damon will start.
The brass want Brodie to be the man, but we can't afford a slow start with our schedule.
If we start Huard, then have to bring in Croyle. We can let Croyle play the season out. If we start Croyle, then Bring in Huard, only to bring Croyle back. Then things turn into a big mess IMO.
If Croyle's good enough to bring back in, why would you bring in Huard to begin with?
GarySpFc
08-04-2007, 03:59 PM
From what I have heard from people at River Falls the last problem Croyle will have is a lack of confidence. Additionally, they say the difference between the two quarterbackks is apparent and the starting position has already been won by Brodie.
zona chief
08-04-2007, 04:33 PM
I say this because we have to have a good start. If we start off bad and the season is a wash he will be brought in for experience.
Don't get me wrong I want Brodie to be successful & if he is the guy who deserves to start than so be it. It would be nice to actually have a QB that grew up a Chief!! Anyone remember the last time we had someone who we didn't import from elsewhere??
I say this because we have to have a good start. If we start off bad and the season is a wash he will be brought in for experience.
Don't get me wrong I want Brodie to be successful & if he is the guy who deserves to start than so be it. It would be nice to actually have a QB that grew up a Chief!! Anyone remember the last time we had someone who we didn't import from elsewhere??
Exactly. Everyone we import has been proven in one way or another. QB is one of the hardest positions to take a chance on due to it being such a vital role. I really think it stems from wanting to play it safe.
Carl wants people in the stands. That's understandable. It's a gamble, though. You don't always get what you want by playing conservative. Sometimes, in order to win some, you've got to go with your gut. Do you risk losing? Yes. But guess what. You also risk winning, too. We've been conservative for so long. It's just time to take a chance. What have we got to lose? Not going to the Superbowl......again?
sling58
08-04-2007, 04:43 PM
Exactly. Everyone we import has been proven in one way or another. QB is one of the hardest positions to take a chance on due to it being such a vital role. I really think it stems from wanting to play it safe.
Carl wants people in the stands. That's understandable. It's a gamble, though. You don't always get what you want by playing conservative. Sometimes, in order to win some, you've got to go with your gut. Do you risk losing? Yes. But guess what. You also risk winning, too. We've been conservative for so long. It's just time to take a chance. What have we got to lose? Not going to the Superbowl......again?
I agree go with your gut, and my gut says Damon ha ha
You men can be so hard headed! :p
Where's your sense of adventure?
If Huard starts, I'll be a little disappointed. I won't hate it though. I know that he's proven himself. I know that he can be relied upon. I know he has more experience. I'm just so excited about rebuilding (I know, I'm weird).
sling58
08-04-2007, 04:52 PM
You men can be so hard headed! :p
Where's your sense of adventure?
If Huard starts, I'll be a little disappointed. I won't hate it though. I know that he's proven himself. I know that he can be relied upon. I know he has more experience. I'm just so excited about rebuilding (I know, I'm weird).
It's not hard-headedness, it's conservatively thinking about winning that title. ha ha
Chieffaninfl
08-04-2007, 05:02 PM
I say you give it to who earns it starting this preseason. Whoever has the better camp and preseason should be the starter. I would like Brodie to win that competition and prove that he is the QB of the future. Split the reps and it should work itself out.
Chiefster
08-04-2007, 09:56 PM
I say you give it to who earns it starting this preseason. Whoever has the better camp and preseason should be the starter. I would like Brodie to win that competition and prove that he is the QB of the future. Split the reps and it should work itself out.
Yup; that's what pre-season is for.
Coach
08-05-2007, 12:40 AM
If Croyle's good enough to bring back in, why would you bring in Huard to begin with?
Because Croyle is the QB of the future according to Chiefs mgmt. So if Huard were to struggle, they would bring back Croyle and let him take his lumps for the rest of the season. IMO.
Coach
08-05-2007, 12:44 AM
I say you give it to who earns it starting this preseason. Whoever has the better camp and preseason should be the starter. I would like Brodie to win that competition and prove that he is the QB of the future. Split the reps and it should work itself out.
I'd love the kid to come in and go gangbusters. But, everyone has seemed so negative on him. I've never seen him play. Pro or college, so I'm pretty much in the blind on this guy. But, I did see Huard play last year and liked the results he posted.
sling58
08-05-2007, 04:51 PM
I'd love the kid to come in and go gangbusters. But, everyone has seemed so negative on him. I've never seen him play. Pro or college, so I'm pretty much in the blind on this guy. But, I did see Huard play last year and liked the results he posted.
I am in the same boat. Never seen Brodie throw a ball. That's why I stick with Damon until proven otherwise, which has been known to happen.
BG1979
08-08-2007, 07:16 AM
I am in the same boat. Never seen Brodie throw a ball. That's why I stick with Damon until proven otherwise, which has been known to happen.
YouTube - Brodie Croyle Senior Highlight few highlights for you.
wolfpack
08-08-2007, 10:38 AM
i`ve seen brodie throw,and he`s got a cannon for a arm. let him start. if he is the future,the fiture cant learn from the bench.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBj8J9qkh6U few highlights for you.
Awesome! Thanks.
Chiefster
08-08-2007, 09:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBj8J9qkh6U few highlights for you.
Some really nice TD strikes, his receivers made him look good on a few; absolutely loved the TD sprint.
OTR Chiefs fan
08-09-2007, 05:43 PM
I feel if the competition is close between Croyle and Huard, then let Croyle start and get the experience. I think the offense is going to struggle this season. With the L.J. holdout (no telling how long that'll be) and Priest is not an every down back any longer, neither is Bennett. The O-line is suspect at the tackle position and Bowe won't effectively contribute until mid-season at the earliest and we know about the concrete hands of Parker. (Did I say that?) So, let's find out what he's made of.
royalswin100games
08-09-2007, 07:53 PM
I think we should give Croyle a shot. He handled himself pretty well at Alabama. Hopefully we have a decent running game going into the season to take pressure off of him.
DrunkHillbilly
08-09-2007, 08:00 PM
I think we should give Croyle a shot. He handled himself pretty well at Alabama. Hopefully we have a decent running game going into the season to take pressure off of him.
Sweet name!! Alittle unrealistic but sweet none the less!!:welcome:
Chiefster
08-09-2007, 08:03 PM
I think we should give Croyle a shot. He handled himself pretty well at Alabama. Hopefully we have a decent running game going into the season to take pressure off of him.
That is going to depend on how well our offensive line can come together.
spiman
08-10-2007, 01:29 AM
Huard all the way baby.
Huard should have finished last season out or at least the second half of the Colts playoff game last year or least ye remember Gannon vs Grrrbec screwup... Oops..
Huard all the way baby.
Huard should have finished last season out or at least the second half of the Colts playoff game last year or least ye remember Gannon vs Grrrbec screwup... Oops..
I agree he should have finished out last season, but why should he start this season if he doesn't earn it in preseason?
spiman
08-10-2007, 03:04 AM
He has proven himself in real games-Don't you know nobody really cares about pre-season or really tries except those who need to make the team.(Your S.F. right?) Think Joe-bye See Steve play. Think Trent-bye
See Huard play.
Bighurt27
08-10-2007, 03:50 AM
I dont care who starts so long as they are hoisting up the Lombardi trophy come January.
He has proven himself in real games-Don't you know nobody really cares about pre-season or really tries except those who need to make the team.(Your S.F. right?) Think Joe-bye See Steve play. Think Trent-bye
See Huard play.
Yeah, I'm a 49er fan. That's why I have a Chiefs sig. You're a real genius, huh? Don't talk down to me. Did the Niners have a second year QB that they had yet to play? Do they have a history of never having developed their own QB?
Huard had his flaws too. I hope they both battle it out hard. I want the best option in there. If it is Croyle, so be it. If it is Huard, I can live with it.
chief31
08-10-2007, 05:07 AM
Huard had his flaws too. I hope they both battle it out hard. I want the best option in there. If it is Croyle, so be it. If it is Huard, I can live with it.
Likin' that new Boomer sig.
I think the deal with Croyle is that he spent last year as a number three quarterback, for the most part, and I feel he needs a little bit of time as the primary back-up. Not that I would be upset if he were to win the job, just that I think he needs a little more work.
The fact that the Chiefs never seem to develope our own young quarterbacks plays directly into my thoughts of taking it slow and bringing him along right, instead of rushing him in. :bullseye:
Nice to have the extra voices sounding off, in this discussion, too.
Chiefster
08-10-2007, 02:13 PM
Yeah, I'm a 49er fan. That's why I have a Chiefs sig. You're a real genius, huh? Don't talk down to me. Did the Niners have a second year QB that they had yet to play? Do they have a history of never having developed their own QB?
I think he has you mixed up with Sweets.
I think he has you mixed up with Sweets.
Just because I'm a chick? Sweets has a Niner sig, anyway. It's not that. Even if I was her, I do not appreciate being talked down to. Just sayin'....
Chiefster
08-10-2007, 03:51 PM
Just because I'm a chick? Sweets has a Niner sig, anyway. It's not that. Even if I was her, I do not appreciate being talked down to. Just sayin'....
Probably, and no it ain't right.
Agree with your assessment and don't blame ya for the way you feel.
Ya know that little "ignore" feature..... ;)
Cory Nelkin
08-10-2007, 03:57 PM
Brodie is loved in Alabama, but that doesn't mean he is going to be a good NFL QB.
Cory Nelkin
08-10-2007, 03:58 PM
I like Huard all the way, He played atleast eight games last year and had the second best QB rating, now with Dewane Bowe he should be even better.
sling58
08-10-2007, 04:12 PM
I like Huard all the way, He played atleast eight games last year and had the second best QB rating, now with Dewane Bowe he should be even better.
Way to jump right in!!!!
I like Huard all the way, He played atleast eight games last year and had the second best QB rating, now with Dewane Bowe he should be even better.
He had help getting that QB rating.
Canada
08-10-2007, 10:27 PM
He had help getting that QB rating.
Most QB's do! :bananen_smilies046:
Brodie is loved in Alabama, but that doesn't mean he is going to be a good NFL QB.
We won't know that for sure until he gets a chance to start, will we? At this rate, he's going to be the Chiefs Backup QB of the Future.
Most QB's do! :bananen_smilies046:
You honestly think that Huard is really nearly as good as P Manning?
Canada
08-10-2007, 10:30 PM
Never said that, but if Manning had sh*t receivers, would he be as good? Marvin makes some pretty spectacular grabs.
Never said that, but if Manning had sh*t receivers, would he be as good? Marvin makes some pretty spectacular grabs.
I say that only because there's more to a player than stats. Stats only tell part of the story. I'm not saying I'll mind if he starts. I'm just saying that we're all too scared to want Croyle to start simply because we've never seen him start in the NFL.
Canada
08-10-2007, 10:36 PM
I say that only because there's more to a player than stats. Stats only tell part of the story. I'm not saying I'll mind if he starts. I'm just saying that we're all too scared to want Croyle to start simply because we've never seen him start in the NFL.
I totally agree with you. Huard is an average QB. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been a career back up. If Trent didn't take a late hit last year then no one would be having this conversation. I sat may the better QB play. :bananen_smilies046:
I totally agree with you. Huard is an average QB. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been a career back up. If Trent didn't take a late hit last year then no one would be having this conversation. I sat may the better QB play. :bananen_smilies046:
CHEERS! :bananen_smilies046:
Canada
08-10-2007, 10:41 PM
CHEERS! :bananen_smilies046:
Now you are singin my tune!! :bananen_smilies046:
Chiefster
08-11-2007, 01:13 AM
I like Huard all the way, He played atleast eight games last year and had the second best QB rating, now with Dewane Bowe he should be even better.
This assumes that Bowe will make it as the receiver that we all want him to be; the one who was seen at LSU.
spiman
08-11-2007, 03:13 AM
Ooops Luv.. Read wrong proflile of bay area peeps. A 40 to 0 spanking of my friends in the bay area was fun. SORRY. Collected some $$ on them.
Chiefster
08-11-2007, 03:33 AM
Ooops Luv.. Read wrong proflile of bay area peeps. A 40 to 0 spanking of my friends in the bay area was fun. SORRY. Collected some $$ on them.
Simple mistake.
Brodie is loved in Alabama, but that doesn't mean he is going to be a good NFL QB.
That is what they said about Tom Brady, out of Michigan, too. He was a flash in the pan you know.
Just sayin.
Chiefster
08-11-2007, 03:54 AM
That is what they said about Tom Brady, out of Michigan, too. He was a flash in the pan you know.
Just sayin.
Yep one season wonder. :lol:
chief31
08-11-2007, 08:32 AM
I totally agree with you. Huard is an average QB. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been a career back up. If Trent didn't take a late hit last year then no one would be having this conversation. I sat may the better QB play. :bananen_smilies046:
That's not really fair, considering that he was backing up guys like Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Trent Green. I found that last years performance gave me the imression that Huard had learned a few things, playing behind those guys. As long as he doesn't do poorly enough to lose the job, I think that he should be the starter. Unless Croyle totally out-shines Huard, then give him some more time.
Canada
08-11-2007, 09:55 AM
That's not really fair, considering that he was backing up guys like Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Trent Green. I found that last years performance gave me the imression that Huard had learned a few things, playing behind those guys. As long as he doesn't do poorly enough to lose the job, I think that he should be the starter. Unless Croyle totally out-shines Huard, then give him some more time.
Lets not forget that he also backed up some bad QBs also (AJ Feely??) Tom Brady backed up a pretty good QB but won the spot when he got a chance to start. It's not like Huard has been behind Favre his hole career. He has been on the field and never looked real good.
chief31
08-11-2007, 10:44 AM
Lets not forget that he also backed up some bad QBs also (AJ Feely??) Tom Brady backed up a pretty good QB but won the spot when he got a chance to start. It's not like Huard has been behind Favre his hole career. He has been on the field and never looked real good.
He looked awefully good to me, last season. And playing quarterback in Miami has not been good for anyone, since Dan. They have blocking issues. Plus, he was still pretty young then. I'll grant that he is still a bit of an unknown quantity, but so was Rich Gannon. Who was also a journeyman. I'd hat e to see us miss that kind of an opportunity again.
wolfpack
08-11-2007, 10:47 AM
i really liked trent green but as far as qb`s i wonder if he was just average or was he good because of the system. i mean he had the best line in the nfl to protect him and he had a great RB in the backfield. the way that "o" was run defenses didnt know what to expect. now they know run,run,pass,punt. i think just about any qb could have looked good behind roaf and company.
chief31
08-11-2007, 10:56 AM
i really liked trent green but as far as qb`s i wonder if he was just average or was he good because of the system. i mean he had the best line in the nfl to protect him and he had a great RB in the backfield. the way that "o" was run defenses didnt know what to expect. now they know run,run,pass,punt. i think just about any qb could have looked good behind roaf and company.
I agree. That offense allowed a quarterback to wait patiently for recievers to get free.
Chiefster
08-11-2007, 11:19 AM
He looked awefully good to me, last season. And playing quarterback in Miami has not been good for anyone, since Dan. They have blocking issues. Plus, he was still pretty young then. I'll grant that he is still a bit of an unknown quantity, but so was Rich Gannon. Who was also a journeyman. I'd hat e to see us miss that kind of an opportunity again.
Excellent point; Gannon went to the Faders and all he did there was take them to a Super Bowl.
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