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yashi
09-04-2009, 08:18 PM
Biggs: Chiefs exploring trade options with Pollard | National Football Post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Biggs-Chiefs-exploring-trade-options-with-Pollard.html)



The Kansas City Chiefs are exploring options to trade strong safety Bernard Pollard, a move that would create an opening for veteran Mike Brown to move into the starting lineup, sources said.

The 24-year-old Pollard, a fourth-year pro from Purdue, has made 31 starts the last two seasons. He had 98 tackles and one interception last season. But Brown was signed in late June to push both Pollard and free safety Jarrad Page (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Biggs-Older-means-better-for-the-Chiefs.html).

“The defensive backfield as a whole, I think, there’s excellent competition,’’ Haley said late last month when asked if Brown had pushed Pollard for the job (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/27/qa_with_todd_haley__827/). “I don’t think there’s anybody who feels real comfortable. Mike’s one of the reasons for that but I think that’s the way it is across the board there. Those guys know there is somebody right behind them that could be playing just as well as them. That’s how you get your team good.”

Brown spent the last nine seasons with the Chicago Bears but has been injury plagued since 2004. He held it together to start 15 games last season, but had to leave three games early down the stretch with a recurring calf muscle pull and finally missed the finale. He is an instinctive player and made 101 tackles last season, the third-highest total in his career.

I'm really surprised at this.

matthewschiefs
09-04-2009, 08:22 PM
I dont like this move if true. Pollard has been at the very least decent for the Chiefs. The Thing about Brown is injury prone. He has not been able to stay on the field. I cant see why the chiefs would do this.

chiefan
09-04-2009, 08:34 PM
If they do this, I will not support The Toad. (Todd's nickname)

captainamerica
09-04-2009, 08:35 PM
I dont like this move if true. Pollard has been at the very least decent for the Chiefs. The Thing about Brown is injury prone. He has not been able to stay on the field. I cant see why the chiefs would do this.
Well Dajuan Morgan did play very well last night and McGraw wasn't bad either, so that probably has something to do with this move as well. With that said I don't want to see Pollard traded away.

josh1971
09-04-2009, 08:38 PM
If they do this, I will not support The Toad. (Todd's nickname)

Bit extreme, isn't it?

And I bet the tune changes if we're division champs and 11-5 by season's end.

honda522
09-04-2009, 08:47 PM
I don't believe this. Mike Brown did not look near as well as Pollard.

chiefan
09-04-2009, 08:52 PM
Bit extreme, isn't it?

And I bet the tune changes if we're division champs and 11-5 by season's end.

Yes, but Brown will only start for a year or so, and then we will have to find a good replacement next year. If we keep Pollard, we are fine and can focus on the O-Line. What was a bit extreme, the nickname?


You already know each time Toad is yelling on the sideline's, it's: DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!!! RESPECT THE TOAD!!!

Tyler Thigpen's nickname? "Future Mr. Jessica Simpson"

josh1971
09-04-2009, 08:56 PM
Yes, but Brown will only start for a year or so, and then we will have to find a good replacement next year. If we keep Pollard, we are fine and can focus on the O-Line. What was a bit extreme, the nickname?


You already know each time Toad is yelling on the sideline's, it's: DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!!! RESPECT THE TOAD!!!

Tyler Thigpen's nickname? "Future Mr. Jessica Simpson"

I'm not saying it's a good idea to get rid of Pollard in favor of Mike Brown- I'm just saying it's kind of extreme to start hating Haley because of a trade that will be more the work of Pioli than the coach.

Also, I don't care if players, reporters, or people don't like Haley- if he's a good coach, and puts together a good team that can win, I can live with him being an ash hole.

JB

honda522
09-04-2009, 09:08 PM
It's not just Haley pulling strings, alot of it is Pioli.

Hayvern
09-04-2009, 09:20 PM
I am going to be one very upset individual and my confidence in this current administration to be able to make decisions will be shaken. I am already not all that impressed with Haley, he has made some dumb moves already since he has been here and my confidence level with him is already low.

Trade away one of the best players we had on defense last year, if not the best player and it will be really upsetting.

Sn@keIze
09-04-2009, 09:35 PM
I am going to be one very upset individual and my confidence in this current administration to be able to make decisions will be shaken. I am already not all that impressed with Haley, he has made some dumb moves already since he has been here and my confidence level with him is already low.

Trade away one of the best players we had on defense last year, if not the best player and it will be really upsetting.
Haley has released Gailey only to prove he cant do better against a worse Rams Defense.

Haley is going down very rapidly IMO. And if Pioli is part of this then im not impressed with him either.

You keep the players worth keep on your team.

josh1971
09-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Haley has released Gailey only to prove he cant do better against a worse Rams Defense.

Haley is going down very rapidly IMO. And if Pioli is part of this then im not impressed with him either.

You keep the players worth keep on your team.


Seriously? Come on- we're not even in the first @#% regular season for Haley. "Going down very rapidly"? Give me a break- who thought this would be a team we could get totally fixed by the end of the first pre-season?

Pollard, unless I'm mistaken, hasn't been sent anywhere, and this is a rumor. Given the people that have been cut so far, I'd say Pioli and Haley are following your recipe of keeping the players on the team that are worth keeping.

Seems a bit early to start the "I hate Haley" nonsense.

jb

jb908
09-04-2009, 09:56 PM
maybe they are shopping for a new offensive lineman

KottkeKU
09-04-2009, 10:18 PM
i would be for trading pollard if we can get some good value for him....anything less than a 4th rounder and i would veto that one though...i think Brown and McGraw are two good backups...im not so sure about Brown starting though, he is slow and looks washed up from the little i have seen since we have had him...

I dont really know why everyone loves Pollard so much, he made a lot of tackles last year, only because our front 7 was nonexistent....he hasnt shown the ability to cover....ever. his strength is hitting hard, and he often doesnt wrap up and show good tackle technique...having said that, he is a fine backup safety, and i think Morgan is more athletic, and has way better ball/coverage skills....so with a little coaching and experience, i think he could be a starting SS...how many times have we seen Pollard get beat deep? Too many...way too many...

Big Daddy Tek
09-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Haley has released Gailey only to prove he cant do better against a worse Rams Defense.

Haley is going down very rapidly IMO. And if Pioli is part of this then im not impressed with him either.

You keep the players worth keep on your team.

Hilarious post. Im assuming that you didnt watch the game last night, because the first stringers did what ever they wanted to with the ball. 4 plays over 40 yards last night. Chan didnt have one over 40 yards the entire pre-season and Chan had Matt Cassell.

Second of all, Why is everybody so in love with frickin Bernard Pollard? Another guy that the fans love, but was just not that loved by the coaches. You and everybody else love him because he hits hard, but he's not good in coverage, he's not fast, he misses way more tackles than the fans ever mention (usually because of not wrapping up.)

Dont get me wrong, I like Bernard, but not enough to hold it against the GM of the Decade if he's traded. Especially if he is included in a package for a Right Tackle. Remember, to get good players, you have to trade good players. Maybe Pioli feels that we are deep enough at Safety that we could lose one and remain just as good, while making another position better! Ever thought of that?

Before I go...... Haley is going down fast? He officially hasn't even coached a Kansas City Chiefs game yet. Slow it down there Tonto!

P.S. I told you guys all along that Mike Brown wasn't here to take Jared Page's place. (J.M.) He was signed to push Pollard.

Three7s
09-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Haley has released Gailey only to prove he cant do better against a worse Rams Defense.

Haley is going down very rapidly IMO. And if Pioli is part of this then im not impressed with him either.

You keep the players worth keep on your team.
Woahhhhh, woah, woah, I almost always agree with your posts, but this is, by far, your worst one. Like Tek said, did you even watch the game? Our offense moved the ball down the field easily, and the starters were hardly even in the game! Does anyone even pay attention to that? Haley mixed up the plays on offense beautifully and put our offense in a position to score THREE FREAKING TIMES! What else is he supposed to do? Go out on the field, hold hands with them, and walk them into the end-zone? You've got to be kidding me.

Also, Pollard stinks, period. I'm still trying to figure out what people see in him. He runs horrible routes in trying to cut off other peoples' routes to the ball, and stinks at timing the tackle while the ball hits the receivers hands. He simply can't cover, period. Wanna get into something else about Pollard? See the Vikings game where he tries to kill someone, only to merely bounce off him for yet another missed tackle on his resume. Quality player......yeah sure.

Sn@keIze
09-04-2009, 11:43 PM
Seriously? Come on- we're not even in the first @#% regular season for Haley. "Going down very rapidly"? Give me a break- who thought this would be a team we could get totally fixed by the end of the first pre-season?

Pollard, unless I'm mistaken, hasn't been sent anywhere, and this is a rumor. Given the people that have been cut so far, I'd say Pioli and Haley are following your recipe of keeping the players on the team that are worth keeping.

Seems a bit early to start the "I hate Haley" nonsense.

jbOur worst problem isnt even on offense, it our pass rush and now he wants to take over callin the plays? I want to know how this offensive mind plans on fixin the worst pass rush in NFL history. And now that hes taking over offensive play calling, he is even more pre occupied.

And yes it is a bit early to start the "I hate Haley" nonsense. Just as ridicoulous as it is to say "I like Haley".

But as it stands now. He has gotten nothing but losing thus far.


Hilarious post. Im assuming that you didnt watch the game last night, because the first stringers did what ever they wanted to with the ball. Does that include getting a TD. Because if I was going to do whatever I wanted i would make a drive that resulted in a TD. But thats just me. I guess the starter didnt want to do that.4 plays over 40 yards last night. Chan didnt have one over 40 yards the entire pre-season and Chan had Matt Cassell.

Second of all, Why is everybody so in love with frickin Bernard Pollard? Another guy that the fans love, but was just not that loved by the coaches. You and everybody else love him because he hits hard, but he's not good in coverage, he's not fast, he misses way more tackles than the fans ever mention (usually because of not wrapping up.)


P.S. I told you guys all along that Mike Brown wasn't here to take Jared Page's place. (J.M.) He was signed to push Pollard.Not that good in coverage?

What is a DBs best friend?......(Answer!)= A good pass rush! And we had the worst in NFL history! He was doing the LBs job more than half the time.

And I agree with you that Brown is here to push Pollard. Pollard is a special player. And just like Page we went through a lot of growing pains to develop him. If we trade him or get rid of him Im going to be severely pissed!

McLovin
09-04-2009, 11:48 PM
Hilarious post. Im assuming that you didnt watch the game last night, because the first stringers did what ever they wanted to with the ball. 4 plays over 40 yards last night. Chan didnt have one over 40 yards the entire pre-season and Chan had Matt Cassell.

Second of all, Why is everybody so in love with frickin Bernard Pollard? Another guy that the fans love, but was just not that loved by the coaches. You and everybody else love him because he hits hard, but he's not good in coverage, he's not fast, he misses way more tackles than the fans ever mention (usually because of not wrapping up.)

Dont get me wrong, I like Bernard, but not enough to hold it against the GM of the Decade if he's traded. Especially if he is included in a package for a Right Tackle. Remember, to get good players, you have to trade good players. Maybe Pioli feels that we are deep enough at Safety that we could lose one and remain just as good, while making another position better! Ever thought of that?

Before I go...... Haley is going down fast? He officially hasn't even coached a Kansas City Chiefs game yet. Slow it down there Tonto!

P.S. I told you guys all along that Mike Brown wasn't here to take Jared Page's place. (J.M.) He was signed to push Pollard.

I did watch the game, actually went to the game. You don't see everything on TV, while I thought Haley did a very good job with the playcalling, with the coaching up of players while we were on defense. I really like Haley and Pioli, in fact the only thing that may bother me is if we have to release Thiggy and get nothing when we could have had a 5th. ..

Back to my rant about the game, when watching on TV you don't see everything, and some things you see better, but from my viewpoint and what I saw, our first team was HORRENDOUS against the Rams, I put a small part of it on the O-Line (both current and past) but the majority of the blame I lay solely on Mr Brokie Croyle, by the time Thigpen came in the entire first 6 rows of Chiefs fans were sick and tired of yelling Brodie what the he!! was that, and Come On Brodie try to get it TO the receiver not 5 or 10 yards past. Brodie was HORRIBLE and even though he has a heck of an arm, had no touch and little to no control. BUT that was only one game.


Again this is my observation.

Sn@keIze
09-05-2009, 12:05 AM
Also, Pollard stinks, period. I'm still trying to figure out what people see in him. He runs horrible routes in trying to cut off other peoples' routes to the ball, and stinks at timing the tackle while the ball hits the receivers hands. He simply can't cover, period..Pollard does not stink!

He is working with what hes got.

The tackles you see Pollard missing are the ones that shouldnt have even gotten past teh first and 2nd level.

tornadospotter
09-05-2009, 12:14 AM
I am not in favor of this and vote NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lazeye
09-05-2009, 12:16 AM
Since we traded TG I really could care who else we send packin as long as we get WINS!

Three7s
09-05-2009, 12:27 AM
Our worst problem isnt even on offense, it our pass rush and now he wants to take over callin the plays? I want to know how this offensive mind plans on fixin the worst pass rush in NFL history. And now that hes taking over offensive play calling, he is even more pre occupied.

And yes it is a bit early to start the "I hate Haley" nonsense. Just as ridicoulous as it is to say "I like Haley".

But as it stands now. He has gotten nothing but losing thus far.

Not that good in coverage?

What is a DBs best friend?......(Answer!)= A good pass rush! And we had the worst in NFL history! He was doing the LBs job more than half the time.

And I agree with you that Brown is here to push Pollard. Pollard is a special player. And just like Page we went through a lot of growing pains to develop him. If we trade him or get rid of him Im going to be severely pissed!
I would agree with you if this was last year about the pass rush, but you have to admit, our pass rush looks much better. I think we've gotten 4 sacks, I don't know what else you could ask for.......

garciakcfan
09-05-2009, 12:41 AM
who said he was slow??? if i remember correctly because i was there (last year) he ran down darren mcfadden from behind.. Hes a pretty fast guy imo.. Its soo funny reading posts on here sometimes.. People were "fire herm" blah blah blah and we get a new coach with an attitude that i personally like and hasnt even coached a regular season game and ppl are already throwing him under the bus... Sorry guys Bill Cowher isnt coming here anytime soon.. give the guy a freaking chance and enjoy some CHIEFS football for crying out loud!!!!!!

honda522
09-05-2009, 12:47 AM
Pollard does not stink!

He is working with what hes got.

The tackles you see Pollard missing are the ones that shouldnt have even gotten past teh first and 2nd level.




Also, Pollard stinks, period. I'm still trying to figure out what people see in him. He runs horrible routes in trying to cut off other peoples' routes to the ball, and stinks at timing the tackle while the ball hits the receivers hands. He simply can't cover, period. Wanna get into something else about Pollard? See the Vikings game where he tries to kill someone, only to merely bounce off him for yet another missed tackle on his resume. Quality player......yeah sure.

First off, Pollard aint a CB, he is a saftey.
Second of all safties don't cover, they zone.
Third of all have you seen any of pollards hits? I think he way better at playing on Special teams.

YouTube - Bernard Pollard Bodyslam (Better Quality)


Mike Brown looked like he sucked this year so far.

honda522
09-05-2009, 12:49 AM
Haley has released Gailey only to prove he cant do better against a worse Rams Defense.

Haley is going down very rapidly IMO. And if Pioli is part of this then im not impressed with him either.

You keep the players worth keep on your team.

Don't open your mouth until your done chewing. Wait till a couple of games before you say anything about the coaching.

garciakcfan
09-05-2009, 12:50 AM
lol if you scroll over two videos it shows one of him getting lit up by a donkeys running back... lol.. i like him though

honda522
09-05-2009, 12:54 AM
lol if you scroll over two videos it shows one of him getting lit up by a donkeys running back... lol.. i like him though
Its cause the Pollard was standing straight up. To make a hit, you have GET LOW.

PawnshopMarimba
09-05-2009, 12:55 AM
who said he was slow??? if i remember correctly because i was there (last year) he ran down darren mcfadden from behind.. Hes a pretty fast guy imo.. Its soo funny reading posts on here sometimes.. People were "fire herm" blah blah blah and we get a new coach with an attitude that i personally like and hasnt even coached a regular season game and ppl are already throwing him under the bus... Sorry guys Bill Cowher isnt coming here anytime soon.. give the guy a freaking chance and enjoy some CHIEFS football for crying out loud!!!!!!

THIS.
Maybe Haley isn't a long term solution, maybe he is.. but I'm convinced that no matter if he gets us to the Super Bowl during his tenure or not that he will undoubtedly be beneficial to this team in the long run.

We had softy HCs for far too long; the mentality changed, and everyone can see it. Haley ain't going to win any popularity contests with his players, but guess what? Neither did Lombardi, Landry, or Ditka; and they all three assembled some of the toughest (mentally and physically) football teams that ever played the game. We need to be that way first and foremost if we're ever going to start winning games.

I have yet to find any major fault with Haley yet. Be patient.

Bike
09-05-2009, 01:05 AM
Pollard does not stink!

He is working with what hes got.

The tackles you see Pollard missing are the ones that shouldnt have even gotten past teh first and 2nd level.
What? So its ok for Pollard to continually miss tackles because the ball carrier got to his portion of the field? The dude doesn't wrap up, gets in the way of his own teammates trying to make plays, and of course all the stupid penalties. A couple hard hits per game doesn't hardly make up for all this guys' miscues. Trade him while we can still get some value...

Three7s
09-05-2009, 01:14 AM
First off, Pollard aint a CB, he is a saftey.
Second of all safties don't cover, they zone.
Third of all have you seen any of pollards hits? I think he way better at playing on Special teams.

YouTube - Bernard Pollard Bodyslam (Better Quality) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJKdpsZi_10)


Mike Brown looked like he sucked this year so far.
I'll agree with you that Safeties don't technically cover, at least on most plays. It just drives me crazy to see him get beat over and over on play action, and continually miss tackles because he tries to blow up the guy, rather than wrap up. I don't care if he's got speed, he doesn't know how to use it.

garciakcfan
09-05-2009, 01:16 AM
THIS.
Maybe Haley isn't a long term solution, maybe he is.. but I'm convinced that no matter if he gets us to the Super Bowl during his tenure or not that he will undoubtedly be beneficial to this team in the long run.

We had softy HCs for far too long; the mentality changed, and everyone can see it. Haley ain't going to win any popularity contests with his players, but guess what? Neither did Lombardi, Landry, or Ditka; and they all three assembled some of the toughest (mentally and physically) football teams that ever played the game. We need to be that way first and foremost if we're ever going to start winning games.

I have yet to find any major fault with Haley yet. Be patient.


This what?? im confused because i think we agree on the same thing...

hermhater
09-05-2009, 04:19 AM
Glad to see that I could bring us all together...

texaschief
09-05-2009, 04:35 AM
Here's the thing that I think is the most absurd part of all this "The Kansas City Chiefs are exploring options to trade strong safety Bernard Pollard, a move that would create an opening for veteran Mike Brown to move into the starting lineup, sources said."

This is basically saying that Haley/Pioli are willing to trade the better player to "make room" for Brown. This entire off season, Haley has been saying he's going to play the best players. Obviously Brown hasn't taken the position away from Pollard, (I'm assuming like they thought he would) so now they're just going to trade Pollard away. If Pollard or Page were being outplayed by Brown, I wouldn't have that big of a problem with the move other than the age difference. But as this is being reported, if just seems idiotic.

hermhater
09-05-2009, 05:23 AM
I don't think we are getting rid of him dude.

pbatrucker
09-05-2009, 09:33 AM
The bottom line is, we have four good safeties and Pollard has value as far as a trade. Pioli IMO is trying to get help for our two weakest positions, OL and WR. Even if he gets a third or fourth round pick for next year, it will help improve the team.
Pioli is calling the shots as far as personnel goes.

wolfpack
09-05-2009, 10:08 AM
I think the writer of this writting just used Browns name because he is know all over the nfl. None of our other, except Pollard is known. Plus it might kick up some stink.
Poili would probably trade just about any memeber of this team if the price was right.

hometeam
09-05-2009, 10:26 AM
Pollard will be perfect in 3-4, trading away a young solid sarter like that will prove to be a mistake..