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huck1974
08-17-2007, 07:22 PM
Printers seemed like the best QB out there although it was against scrubs

Chiefs got robbed on the two point decision although it was called by the Dolphins to avoid overtime.

Dolphins secondary was ineffective except for lehan most of the night.

Huard was unsuccesful against the dolphins first team D although they were without the regular starters. this should be a concern.

Neither team made much of an attempt to go downfield.
Clearly both teams were working short drops because of shaky O lines needing to gel.

Chiefs first team run D should be in the corner wearing a dunce cap.

Either the Chiefs special teams are really good or the dolphins cant block anyone on returns.

Dolphins punter was outkicking his protection allowing good returns.

I would like to see printers play against 1st team just to see.....

Not sure why dolphins speedy first rounder was not returning kicks?

Looking for some gameplanning for both teams in week three. Maybe some script for the first quarter.

Both teams have some glaring holes at this point. I think that LJ returning and some solidification on the O line will help the chiefs cause. The D line needs to step up

I think when the real pass rushers suit up for the dolphins, that will take some heat off the secondary and they will return for another top 5 defensive showing.
The O probably will struggle for several weeks.

luv
08-17-2007, 07:43 PM
Printers seemed like the best QB out there although it was against scrubs

Agreed

Chiefs got robbed on the two point decision although it was called by the Dolphins to avoid overtime.

Agreed

Dolphins secondary was ineffective except for lehan most of the night.

Agreed

Huard was unsuccesful against the dolphins first team D although they were without the regular starters. this should be a concern.

Huard looked plain awful. I can't believe there are people still wanting to start him based on last year. They're saying he hasn't gotten a fair chance. How long do you expect someone to stay out there whenever they're stinking up the place?

Neither team made much of an attempt to go downfield.
Clearly both teams were working short drops because of shaky O lines needing to gel.

Croyle had the one great drive. Printers passing helped them get down field a few times. You're right though. Nothing worth being remotely excited about.

Chiefs first team run D should be in the corner wearing a dunce cap.

Still not trained enough to catch stuff like that. No opinion either way.

Either the Chiefs special teams are really good or the dolphins cant block anyone on returns.

I think the special teams looked AWESOME.

Dolphins punter was outkicking his protection allowing good returns.

Our returners did awesome. I'm not sure if I was impressed more with Randolph or Phinisee. Randolph seemed solid, but Phinisee has finesse.

I would like to see printers play against 1st team just to see.....

Me too. Although, I don't think he'd do very well.

Not sure why dolphins speedy first rounder was not returning kicks?

Hmmm. Don't know.

Looking for some gameplanning for both teams in week three. Maybe some script for the first quarter.

Both teams have some glaring holes at this point. I think that LJ returning and some solidification on the O line will help the chiefs cause. The D line needs to step up

I think when the real pass rushers suit up for the dolphins, that will take some heat off the secondary and they will return for another top 5 defensive showing.
The O probably will struggle for several weeks.
My thoughts in red.

Sick Dog
08-17-2007, 11:23 PM
I say we go through the growing pains of Croyle this year. He can move pretty well he has a great arm with accuracy. If he did not throw that interception in the endzone we would all be saying he is the next coming of Len Dawson. Even later in the 3rd quarter he was throwing ropes down the sidelines that should have been caught. He is the franchise eventually, can you say Tom Brady. All rookies start like this.

Chiefster
08-17-2007, 11:34 PM
Printers seemed like the best QB out there although it was against scrubs

Chiefs got robbed on the two point decision although it was called by the Dolphins to avoid overtime.

Dolphins secondary was ineffective except for lehan most of the night.

Huard was unsuccesful against the dolphins first team D although they were without the regular starters. this should be a concern.

Neither team made much of an attempt to go downfield.
Clearly both teams were working short drops because of shaky O lines needing to gel.

Chiefs first team run D should be in the corner wearing a dunce cap.

Either the Chiefs special teams are really good or the dolphins cant block anyone on returns.

Dolphins punter was outkicking his protection allowing good returns.

I would like to see printers play against 1st team just to see.....

Not sure why dolphins speedy first rounder was not returning kicks?

Looking for some gameplanning for both teams in week three. Maybe some script for the first quarter.

Both teams have some glaring holes at this point. I think that LJ returning and some solidification on the O line will help the chiefs cause. The D line needs to step up

I think when the real pass rushers suit up for the dolphins, that will take some heat off the secondary and they will return for another top 5 defensive showing.
The O probably will struggle for several weeks.

Is there OT in pre-season???

Agree with most of the rest of your post. It's pre-season.

huck1974
08-17-2007, 11:43 PM
yes there is OT

YZILLA
08-17-2007, 11:43 PM
All I have to say is how can Huard look good if all they give him is run plays / Croyle comes in and its all passes. Kinda makes me wonder if they have already made up their minds and are setting it up to make it look that way to everyone else . not only that tell me who picked up a block that whole first quarter? I could care less who starts between the two but Huard got the shaft against Miami .Printers looked like a Stud on that night !he can scramble and Think and throw( Which is what we need without blockers ) . Brodie and Huard are in the same boat as Green was when we had him. They all have cement shoes on. Except Brodie has an arm to win games. Printers might see alot of playing time this year mark my words.

huck1974
08-17-2007, 11:44 PM
I say we go through the growing pains of Croyle this year. He can move pretty well he has a great arm with accuracy. If he did not throw that interception in the endzone we would all be saying he is the next coming of Len Dawson. Even later in the 3rd quarter he was throwing ropes down the sidelines that should have been caught. He is the franchise eventually, can you say Tom Brady. All rookies start like this.

that would be silly to say since he was playing against scrubs but seeing more of him would be nice

Chiefster
08-17-2007, 11:45 PM
yes there is OT

I don't know why but I was thinking that OT had been excluded from pre-season.

huck1974
08-17-2007, 11:56 PM
All I have to say is how can Huard look good if all they give him is run plays / Croyle comes in and its all passes. Kinda makes me wonder if they have already made up their minds and are setting it up to make it look that way to everyone else . not only that tell me who picked up a block that whole first quarter? I could care less who starts between the two but Huard got the shaft against Miami .Printers looked like a Stud on that night !he can scramble and Think and throw( Which is what we need without blockers ) .


I think that in the second game of preseason, coaches call plays to look at players in certain matchups. I would not read to much into it being some kind of smokescreen since the coach could care less what the fans think of the play calling in game 2. Keep in mind that printers saw action against a large amount of players that dont even know what practice squad they will hit yet. Both coaches were looking to put players in specific situations in order to evaluate there ability to make certain plays. One play to the next does not necessarily conform to how real game play would be. This is not the point of preseason.

Also, watching a minnasota team right now that has put up 34 points. This does not guarantee that they will go anywhere in the season. Look for a bunch of starters for as much as three quarters next week with some script but a little vanilla calling as to not give away anything for the season IMHO.

GO Chiefs and Go Dolphins, both my home teams

luv
08-18-2007, 12:40 AM
All I have to say is how can Huard look good if all they give him is run plays / Croyle comes in and its all passes. Kinda makes me wonder if they have already made up their minds and are setting it up to make it look that way to everyone else . not only that tell me who picked up a block that whole first quarter? I could care less who starts between the two but Huard got the shaft against Miami .Printers looked like a Stud on that night !he can scramble and Think and throw( Which is what we need without blockers ) . Brodie and Huard are in the same boat as Green was when we had him. They all have cement shoes on. Except Brodie has an arm to win games. Printers might see alot of playing time this year mark my words.
I agree with this excpet for Huard. He was awful. The passes he did get to throw sucked for the most part, so why let him make more bad passes?

Printers absolutely rocked last night.

chief31
08-18-2007, 08:57 AM
I agree with this excpet for Huard. He was awful. The passes he did get to throw sucked for the most part, so why let him make more bad passes?

Printers absolutely rocked last night.

Luv, if Huard played like a champion, you would tell us all how lucky he was. Your opinion on the matter is as biased as any I have seen. Almost as if Huard were wearing some other jersey.

Bottom line... Huard was 3-5, that's 60%, in an extremely limited opportunity. Which is clearly "aweful". Peyton Manning was also 3-5, so surely those two garbage quarterbacks should be benched and fast. Hell, Tom Brady managed to throw for 52%, with a pair of picks. So, maybe he should become a back-up too.

But, don't worry. Herm sees it your way too. He is clearly giving Croyle a chance, while making sure that Huard doesn't get the opportunity to make a fool of him, by doing what he did last season. Croyle will be the starter.

Canada
08-18-2007, 09:49 AM
Luv, if Huard played like a champion, you would tell us all how lucky he was. Your opinion on the matter is as biased as any I have seen. Almost as if Huard were wearing some other jersey.

Bottom line... Huard was 3-5, that's 60%, in an extremely limited opportunity. Which is clearly "aweful". Peyton Manning was also 3-5, so surely those two garbage quarterbacks should be benched and fast. Hell, Tom Brady managed to throw for 52%, with a pair of picks. So, maybe he should become a back-up too.

But, don't worry. Herm sees it your way too. He is clearly giving Croyle a chance, while making sure that Huard doesn't get the opportunity to make a fool of him, by doing what he did last season. Croyle will be the starter.

You aren't seriously making a case for Huard to be the starter based on this preseason are you? He has been about as accurate as my six year old. (maybe a little more distance though) I am not saying that Croyle has been spectacular, but at least he found the end zone. Huard so far this year has looked like the Huard I have seen over the last 11 or 12 years, not the Huard we all saw last year.

chief31
08-18-2007, 10:05 AM
You aren't seriously making a case for Huard to be the starter based on this preseason are you? He has been about as accurate as my six year old. (maybe a little more distance though) I am not saying that Croyle has been spectacular, but at least he found the end zone. Huard so far this year has looked like the Huard I have seen over the last 11 or 12 years, not the Huard we all saw last year.


Given nine attempts, in two games hardly says a thing about him. The case that I am making is that he isn't being given a chance. Then when you consider the fact that Croyle will get at least half of a game, this coming week, with the starters, where Huard will get another four, or five attempts, how does anyone see this as a competition? This is Herm forcing a guy into the starting role. I have nothing against Croyle, as I had nothing against Trent Green, or Elvis Grbac. ( At the exact moment that he was awarded the start in the playoffs.)
It's a matter of giving the guy who has been successful, a chance to win the job.

Canada
08-18-2007, 10:06 AM
Given nine attempts, in two games hardly says a thing about him. The case that I am making is that he isn't being given a chance. Then when you consider the fact that Croyle will get at least half of a game, this coming week, with the starters, where Huard will get another four, or five attempts, how does anyone see this as a competition? This is Herm forcing a guy into the starting role. I have nothing against Croyle, as I had nothing against Trent Green, or Elvis Grbac. ( At the exact moment that he was awarded the start in the playoffs.)
It's a matter of giving the guy who has been successful, a chance to win the job.

I agree with you that he is not getting an equal chance but when he is out there he sucks.

chief31
08-18-2007, 10:09 AM
I agree with you that he is not getting an equal chance but when he is out there he sucks.

Like I said, Manning and Brady have both looked like crap, too. What does that mean, with a few preseason snaps?

Canada
08-18-2007, 10:10 AM
Like I said, Manning and Brady have both looked like crap, too. What does that mean, with a few preseason snaps?

I think you know that that is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. :lol:

chief31
08-18-2007, 10:34 AM
I think you know that that is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. :lol:

No. We are saying that Huard has looked terrible, in very limited attempts. I am saying that anyone can look bad with so few attempts and to prove it, I submit the preseason efforts of guys that everyone knows to be great quarterback, who have looked like crap, in a few attempts. At no point have I intended to suggest that Huard has done as much as either of those guys, career-wise.

Canada
08-18-2007, 10:37 AM
No. We are saying that Huard has looked terrible, in very limited attempts. I am saying that anyone can look bad with so few attempts and to prove it, I submit the preseason efforts of guys that everyone knows to be great quarterback, who have looked like crap, in a few attempts. At no point have I intended to suggest that Huard has done as much as either of those guys, career-wise.

Yeah, but the two guys you brought up are NOT in a quarterback competition for a starting position. Huard is and so far (unfairly as it may be) has not looked good. If Manning and Brady were on the same team then they might not win it. History may have a little something to do with it too. Huard is a career back up. Had a good year. I am glad he did, but he still has not looked good at all in the pre season, and if a decision had to be made today then I say go with Croyle

chief31
08-18-2007, 10:40 AM
Yeah, but the two guys you brought up are NOT in a quarterback competition for a starting position. Huard is and so far (unfairly as it may be) has not looked good. If Manning and Brady were on the same team then they might not win it. History may have a little something to do with it too. Huard is a career back up. Had a good year. I am glad he did, but he still has not looked good at all in the pre season, and if a decision had to be made today then I say go with Croyle

Me too. But the decision was made long ago. Noone can say what would have happened had Huard been given a fair opportunity to win the job.

Canada
08-18-2007, 10:46 AM
I agree with you that he is not getting an equal chance but when he is out there he sucks.


Me too. But the decision was made long ago. Noone can say what would have happened had Huard been given a fair opportunity to win the job.

Absolutely...we still have at least one more meaningful preseason game. Hopefully he steps it up and makes this a difficult decision. Nite crowd!! :bananen_smilies046:

luv
08-18-2007, 11:06 AM
Me too. But the decision was made long ago. Noone can say what would have happened had Huard been given a fair opportunity to win the job.
Does someone need a wambulance?

Huard is a vet. He shouldn't need as many reps as a Croyle. Huard did get some passes in. One of them was good. I wouldn't let him pass either.

chief31
08-18-2007, 11:19 AM
Does someone need a wambulance?

Huard is a vet. He shouldn't need as many reps as a Croyle. Huard did get some passes in. One of them was good. I wouldn't let him pass either.

All that I am saying is that in the number of attempts that Huard has been given, he has looked better than Brady and Manning, so far. Everyone needs a certain amount of opportunities, to show what kind of quarterback they are. Otherwise we could all assume that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady suck.

Way to go, on the Wambulance crack. It's always a great piece of football information, to bring into the discussion. :sign0104:

luv
08-18-2007, 11:21 AM
All that I am saying is that in the number of attempts that Huard has been given, he has looked better than Brady and Manning, so far. Everyone needs a certain amount of opportunities, to show what kind of quarterback they are. Otherwise we could all assume that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady suck.

Way to go, on the Wambulance crack. It's always a great piece of football information, to bring into the discussion. :sign0104:
You really need to learn how to take some ribbing. You don't care much for me, do you? Sorry I'm not Sweets. :p

chief31
08-18-2007, 11:27 AM
You really need to learn how to take some ribbing. You don't care much for me, do you? Sorry I'm not Sweets. :p

Ahh, lighten-up. Just shooting back. I like you just fine.

peekaboo224
08-18-2007, 12:43 PM
Our quarterbacks are not top quality quarterbacks. They will not post any great numbers during the pre-season or during the regular season. Our Chiefs will not far well until we get another quarterback that is proven. I will keep my fingers crossed, but will not hold my breath (afraid if I do that I might die waiting).

m0ef0e
08-18-2007, 01:32 PM
Hey, I got it! Let's do the whole by-commitee thing with both our RB's and QB's this year. That way, we can play ultra-conservative with Huard in the game to keep it close and then when Croyle scores, we can pull him out of the game before he does something stupid. Then, we may as well put 2 HB's in the backfield with Printers and do alot of direct-snap runs, play-action boots, etc.

Canada
08-18-2007, 03:08 PM
:lol:
Hey, I got it! Let's do the whole by-commitee thing with both our RB's and QB's this year. That way, we can play ultra-conservative with Huard in the game to keep it close and then when Croyle scores, we can pull him out of the game before he does something stupid. Then, we may as well put 2 HB's in the backfield with Printers and do alot of direct-snap runs, play-action boots, etc.
:lol: :bananen_smilies046:

sling58
08-18-2007, 03:14 PM
Hey, I got it! Let's do the whole by-commitee thing with both our RB's and QB's this year. That way, we can play ultra-conservative with Huard in the game to keep it close and then when Croyle scores, we can pull him out of the game before he does something stupid. Then, we may as well put 2 HB's in the backfield with Printers and do alot of direct-snap runs, play-action boots, etc.

And we can take the Chiefs outta the NFL and put them back into college

:lol: :lol:

luv
08-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Our quarterbacks are not top quality quarterbacks. They will not post any great numbers during the pre-season or during the regular season. Our Chiefs will not far well until we get another quarterback that is proven. I will keep my fingers crossed, but will not hold my breath (afraid if I do that I might die waiting).
Yeah, that's helped us how many times in the past how many years? Why not try something new for a change. Or do you enjoy mediocre football? We're not going to do that great this season either way, so why not give an unproven the experience he needs to prove himself?

peekaboo224
08-18-2007, 05:26 PM
Like that idea. May have to go with that one.

Chiefster
08-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Ahh, lighten-up. Just shooting back. I like you just fine.

What is the "like" thing you speak of?? :D

chief31
08-18-2007, 09:19 PM
What is the "like" thing you speak of?? :D

It's like...valley-speak, dude. You totally wouldn't understand. :toast2:

YZILLA
08-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Actually in my eyes Croyle did not find the endzone . He threw an easy pass to a guy who made a couple very good moves to make it to the endzone . The reciever was ten yards from anyone before he got the ball. The reciever was the key ingredient in that play. We really want whats best for the team in the long run so whoever has the best chance of winning the game for us should play whether it be Croyle, Huard, or Printers. I just want them to do well.

Chiefster
08-18-2007, 09:22 PM
It's like...valley-speak, dude. You totally wouldn't understand. :toast2:

LOL!! Yeah, like I'm too old and wouldn't remember this kind of talk. :11:

huck1974
08-19-2007, 12:51 AM
chill...its preseason