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deerhunter2
09-07-2009, 09:47 PM
I am new to the forum, and maybe this has already been discussed, but I keep seeing reports that Thigpen will start if Cassel doesn't. What is wrong with Gutierrez, from what I have seen of him, he gives a better chance to win than Thigpen or Croyle. Am I missing something or out of my mind?

chiefan
09-07-2009, 09:54 PM
My preference goes like this: Cassel >> Croyle >> Thigpen >> Gutierrez.

matthewschiefs
09-07-2009, 09:57 PM
Croyle would probley start if Cassel cant go. Thigpen played his way to the bench

honda522
09-07-2009, 10:30 PM
Croyle would probley start if Cassel cant go. Thigpen played his way to the bench
Thiggy also played with a pair of broken ribs.

josh1971
09-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Thiggy also played with a pair of broken ribs.

Ok, but if he has broken ribs, maybe he shouldn't be starting. And broken ribs don't really excuse poor decision making. He did this with a crappy line all last year- he should be quite the expert at it.

I'm just hoping Cassell can go.

jb

honda522
09-07-2009, 10:54 PM
Ok, but if he has broken ribs, maybe he shouldn't be starting. And broken ribs don't really excuse poor decision making. He did this with a crappy line all last year- he should be quite the expert at it.

I'm just hoping Cassell can go.

jb


Well you have a point there. But no TG. I think the OL i worse this year than last year.

KCINNYC
09-07-2009, 11:03 PM
Well you have a point there. But no TG. I think the OL i worse this year than last year.


There is no way that Ndukwe and O'Callaghan are worse than Macintosh and Richardson. Seriously?

jmlamerson
09-07-2009, 11:04 PM
Well you have a point there. But no TG. I think the OL i worse this year than last year.

How the hell can the OL be worse this year?!

McLovin
09-07-2009, 11:08 PM
How the hell can the OL be worse this year?!
In a suprise move Todd Hailey has released the entire O-Line and brought in 5 additional Wide Recievers and 3 additional Quarterbacks.

Wait .. if the O-Line is as bad as it was last year that might be a thought ... LOL

honda522
09-07-2009, 11:16 PM
How the hell can the OL be worse this year?!

I don't know, maybe they just don't look any better this year yet.

KCINNYC
09-07-2009, 11:24 PM
In a suprise move Todd Hailey has released the entire O-Line and brought in 5 additional Wide Recievers and 3 additional Quarterbacks.

Wait .. if the O-Line is as bad as it was last year that might be a thought ... LOL


BOO.
Why post anything when you have nothing to say but just random stupid joke that is so NOT funny it pains us all to even read it? AND WHY? The fact that so many people here post the most unbelievably unfunny comments instead of having a "Hardcore Chiefs Discussion" is beyond me...(sigh) Go Chiefs

imcorrect
09-07-2009, 11:26 PM
I think he wanted to talk about Gutierrez.

McLovin
09-08-2009, 12:14 AM
BOO.
Why post anything when you have nothing to say but just random stupid joke that is so NOT funny it pains us all to even read it? AND WHY? The fact that so many people here post the most unbelievably unfunny comments instead of having a "Hardcore Chiefs Discussion" is beyond me...(sigh) Go Chiefs
That was a comment on how the O-Line could be better then last year. That comment was a direct answer to a question posed above.

KCINNYC
09-08-2009, 12:17 AM
That was a comment on how the O-Line could be better then last year. That comment was a direct answer to a question posed above.


Well, aren't I suddenly the a-hole.


ME

:iamwithstupid:

Forgiveness please!

McLovin
09-08-2009, 12:19 AM
Well, aren't I suddenly the a-hole.


ME

:iamwithstupid:

Forgiveness please!
Forgiven, and I meant how the O-Line could be worse not better .... my bad.

Hayvern
09-08-2009, 12:23 AM
Gutierrez suffers from no game experience, very little game time in the preseason and he hardly looks all that good.

I admit Thigpen has not looked good this year from what I have seen and heard, and Brodie has not played regularly in a year. Thigpen will get the nod over Brodie and Gutierrez because he has more recent in-game experience as a whole.

From what I have seen, the top three options all look about equal to me and Gutierrez slightly less. I think Haley and Pioli see an situation where they might have some injured QBs this year and are hedging against that possibility.

If this is true, then this would be a good thing.

KCINNYC
09-08-2009, 12:24 AM
Forgiven, and I meant how the O-Line could be worse not better .... my bad.


Wow, and now all things considered, it was a funny post.

McLovin
09-08-2009, 12:32 AM
I can only speak for the STL game because I saw it live from great seats. Croyle couldn't hit the side of a barn (he would have thrown it over top of the barn). Thiggy was scared all game (would guess you would have that with broken ribs and taking into account how poor the line *had* been playing. And Gutie seemed ok with a couple little glitches. All and all if Cassel can't go, I would still like to see Croyle start as long as he can get a little protection and his ribs are up to it.

I wouldn't be against Gutie playing although I really dont know how he would do in a game situation, If Brodie were to put some touch on the ball and get some control I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do.

I dont know about the rest of you but regardless of who is QB I am just ready to watch some Chiefs football.

MPGfanChiefs15
09-08-2009, 12:56 AM
No really, what is wrong with Gutierrez? All I have read in this forum is that Gutierrez lacks experience. So what! No one would have given Cassel a team two years ago. It is all about opportunities. And Tom Brady worked his way from fourth string to one of the greatest quarterbacks of our time. I am not comparing Gutierrez's abilities to Brady's by any means but whose to say he can't prove himself worthy of playing on the field and contributing to the rebuilding of this chiefs organization. Croyle and Thigpen were not impressive last year and it seems like the majority of you would rather put the success of the beginning of the 2009 season in their hands once again rather than give Gutierrez an opportunity. We went 2-14 last year, really what do we have to lose?

captainamerica
09-08-2009, 12:57 AM
What's with all the Gutierrez love? I mean just because he was a quaterback for the Pats doesn't make him the greatest. Gutierrez is a guy that's spent a lot of his time on the practice squad and has never been anything more than a 3rd stringer. Gutierrez isn't starter material and he probably never will be either. Croyle on the other hand has a lot of potential, but just can't stay healthy and Thigpen is very talented, but is just young and inexperienced. Both are much better options than Gutierrez.

MPGfanChiefs15
09-08-2009, 01:01 AM
What's with all the Gutierrez love? I mean just because he was a quaterback for the Pats doesn't make him the greatest. Gutierrez is a guy that's spent a lot of his time on the practice squad and has never been anything more than a 3rd stringer. Gutierrez isn't starter material and he probably never will be either. Croyle on the other hand has a lot of potential, but just can't stay healthy and Thigpen is very talented, but is just young and inexperienced. Both are much better options than Gutierrez.
Once again Gutierrez has never been on the practice squad.

captainamerica
09-08-2009, 01:06 AM
Once again Gutierrez has never been on the practice squad.
He started the 2008 season on the Practice Squad and would've remained there for the entire season had Brady not got hurt. Even after he was promoted the regular roster he was still only a 3rd stringer. The fact of the matter is he's just not that good. He only has a job, because he's a hard worker.

MPGfanChiefs15
09-08-2009, 01:14 AM
He started the 2008 season on the Practice Squad and would've remained there for the entire season had Brady not got hurt. Even after he was promoted the regular roster he was still only a 3rd stringer. The fact of the matter is he's just not that good. He only has a job, because he's a hard worker.
Yes you are right he was temporarily on the practice squad but you keep saying he spent a lot of his time on the practice squad. That is not true. He has spent a lot of his time as backup.

honda522
09-08-2009, 10:40 AM
I guess an important question is who is the QB on our practice squad.

McLovin
09-08-2009, 11:31 AM
I guess an important question is who is the QB on our practice squad.
That would be um .. that would be um ... hmmm Barry Richardson?

AussieChiefsFan
09-09-2009, 02:29 AM
IMO Guttierez IS a very good QB, it just depends on how well he plays from now on.

Pro_Angler
09-09-2009, 10:37 AM
Well looks like Cassel is gonna play.

captainamerica
09-09-2009, 02:34 PM
IMO Guttierez IS a very good QB, it just depends on how well he plays from now on.
How do you know this? How did you formulate this opinion? Was it from the 1 and only pass he's ever completed in his professional career? Was it from the fact that he's spent his entire career either on the practice squad or on 3rd string? Is it based upon the fact that he's never done anything spectacular in the pre-season despite playing against backups and 3rd stringers? Was it from the fact that he went undrafted coming out of college?

I mean seriously, what's with all the Matt Gutierrez love? I swear if he were a 3rd string quarterback for any other team, but the Patriots no one on here would even have an opinion on him, but since he did play for the magical Patriots that must mean he's the next Joe Montanna, huh? Give me a break.

OPLookn
09-09-2009, 02:41 PM
What's with all the Gutierrez love? I mean just because he was a quaterback for the Pats doesn't make him the greatest. Gutierrez is a guy that's spent a lot of his time on the practice squad and has never been anything more than a 3rd stringer. Gutierrez isn't starter material and he probably never will be either. Croyle on the other hand has a lot of potential, but just can't stay healthy and Thigpen is very talented, but is just young and inexperienced. Both are much better options than Gutierrez.

I'll start off by saying I'm not a Croyle fan. With that said yes he's looked good in the pre-season but he did last year too. Also worth mentioning is that for the most part he's been playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Croyle has never had potential in my opinion. Sure he throws the ball a million miles per hour but he doesn't have any touch and throw that he doesn't make good decisions on top of that. Some will say that poor decisions are due to a lack of game time. But when the starting job is yours all year last year and you can only manage to stay healthy for three quarters... Croyle just can't and never will be able to cut it, although I'd love to be disproved!

captainamerica
09-09-2009, 02:51 PM
I'll start off by saying I'm not a Croyle fan. With that said yes he's looked good in the pre-season but he did last year too. Also worth mentioning is that for the most part he's been playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Croyle has never had potential in my opinion. Sure he throws the ball a million miles per hour but he doesn't have any touch and throw that he doesn't make good decisions on top of that. Some will say that poor decisions are due to a lack of game time. But when the starting job is yours all year last year and you can only manage to stay healthy for three quarters... Croyle just can't and never will be able to cut it, although I'd love to be disproved!
I'm not a big fan of Croyle either for obvious reasons (the dudes made of pure glass), but with that said he's accomplished a lot more in his NFL career than Gutierrez has and he has a lot more potential as well. Croyle's a player you can actually formulate an opinion of. I don't understand how anyone can forumlate an opinion (a highly positive 1 at that) of Matt Gutierrez, when the man hasn't done anything yet!

matthewschiefs
09-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Where in my post did I saying anything, anywhere about Brodie Croyle??? With that said I'm not a big fan of Croyle either for obvious reasons (the dudes made of pure glass), but with that said he's accomplished a lot more in his NFL career than Gutierrez has. Croyle's a player you can actually formulate an opinion of. I don't understand how anyone can forumlate an opinion (a highly positive 1 at that) of Matt Gutierrez, when the man hasn't done anything yet!

To me Brodie has even done more then Gutuerrez. I think that if cassel cant go Croyle is the best option gutuerrez is unproven and did tend to turn the ball over in the preseaon unlike brodie

deerhunter2
09-09-2009, 10:21 PM
I just feel like what I have seen of Gutierrez was quite good. I don't give a hoot if he was on Pats team or the worst team in history, what I saw of him was not bad. Croyle needs a suit of armor to not get hurt and hasn't played enough to prove anything. Thigpen played enough last year to prove that he was in the right spot at third string!

josh1971
09-09-2009, 11:30 PM
Well, Brodie has gotten himself injured a bunch, but he did take a shot from a helmet to the chin, and was back under center the next play, so perhaps he's got some bulletproof glass for that chin this year.

Gutierrez can move the ball, from what we saw in pre-season, but he also appeared at times to get flustered and make mistakes (2 INT against Seattle), and though he wasn't calling the plays, he couldn't get the ball in from the 1 in 4 tries against the vikes.

I would think that if Cassell can't go on Sunday, we should see Brodie. Thig did nothing but stink in the pre-season- he doesn't deserve a start.

jb