Make or break draft.

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03-26-2008, 01:51 PM
hermhater

Make or break draft.

Get it right Herm.

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A make-or-break draft

Mar 25, 2008, 2:07:32 AM by Jonathan Rand - FAQ

This has got to be the Chiefs’ cloudiest off-season since 1989, when Marty Schottenheimer took over in the wake of a 4-11-1 season, or since 2001, when Dick Vermeil came in after a 7-9 season. You knew the winds of change would blow, but who knew from what direction?

You should usually brace yourself for just about anything when a new coach takes over, though continuity seemed likely in 1999 when Gunther Cunningham inherited Schottenheimer’s veteran-dominated roster. Give a coach a few seasons to install his systems and acquire talent and you usually have a reasonable idea what to expect.

So why is the outlook so murky heading into Herm Edwards’ third season with the Chiefs? Because he’s a third-year coach with a first-year mindset. Coming off a dismal season he is, in some respects, starting over. His key team-building decisions are yet to come.

Edwards has shown in his first two seasons that he wants a dominating defense with a power-running offense. But we already knew that, based on his five seasons with the New York Jets.

He’s rebuilding the Chiefs now as he would have preferred to do in 2006. But that would have involved blowing up a team that still had enough veteran talent to squeeze into a wild-card spot. The bottoming out came last season. The Chiefs, as we speak, are mired in a nine-game losing streak and we have yet to see any indication of what might make them better.

That is, of course, because Edwards has chosen to attempt a turnaround primarily through the draft. He has not added one guaranteed starter this off-season, though free-agent signee Demorrio Williams presumably will compete for a starting linebacker’s spot.

The first real tipoff to the look of the 2008 Chiefs will come from the 10 draft picks, barring trades, that the Chiefs will make April 26-27.

It’s a pretty good guess that the Chiefs will have an above-average defense, no matter what, but the caliber of cornerbacks they draft will tell us more. It’s a pretty good guess the Chiefs will have a below-average offense again but the caliber of linemen and receivers they add will tell us more.

Or maybe not. We still don’t know whether end Turk McBride and tackle Tank Tyler, who played limited roles last season as rookies despite receiving rave reviews on draft day, are ready to put the finishing touches on the Chiefs’ defensive front.

A team coming off a 4-12 season, obviously, needs immediate help. That means signing serviceable veterans, an approach that’s failed consistently for the Chiefs in recent years, or betting you can identify winning prospects in the draft and plug them into the lineup as rookies.

The latter approach is a gutsy one for Edwards because he has to know another dismal season would put him squarely on the hot seat. For many coaches in his situation, a free-agent quick fix, instead of a long-range plan, might be tempting.

We all know the draft is the most tried and true approach to building a winner in the NFL. That is also, however, far easier said than done, and dramatic improvement for the Chiefs in 2008 depends upon Edwards getting almost as much talent from this draft as from his first two drafts combined.

Folks aren’t just blowing smoke when they call this the Chiefs’ most important draft in nearly 20 years.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/03...orbreak_draft/
03-26-2008, 01:56 PM
royalswin100games

Hopefully we make the right decisions in this draft. Hopefully we pick players that can step up and play well at the next level. A lot of hoping.

Tank and Tyler had better show up. Our D line has to take pressure off of our linebackers and secondary.
03-26-2008, 02:09 PM
royalswin100games

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Originally Posted by royalswin100games

Hopefully we make the right decisions in this draft. Hopefully we pick players that can step up and play well at the next level. A lot of hoping.

Tank and McBride had better show up. Our D line has to take pressure off of our linebackers and secondary.

FMP. :D
03-27-2008, 12:17 AM
texaschief

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Originally Posted by royalswin100games

Hopefully we make the right decisions in this draft. Hopefully we pick players that can step up and play well at the next level. A lot of hoping.

Tank and Tyler had better show up. Our D line has to take pressure off of our linebackers and secondary.

Tank IS Tyler. :lol:

I'm sure the Chiefs will have a draft that is consistent with the last two years. We'll probably come away with at least 5 serviceable players who will eventually turn into solid starters. IMO, drafting almost 1/4 of your starting team in one draft is a solid draft.

I'm guessing 2 starting Olinemen, 1 backup OL, 2 CBs, 1DT, 1 QB, 2 WRs, 1 RB.
03-27-2008, 12:21 AM
tornadospotter

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Originally Posted by texaschief

Tank IS Tyler. :lol:

I'm sure the Chiefs will have a draft that is consistent with the last two years. We'll probably come away with at least 5 serviceable players who will eventually turn into solid starters. IMO, drafting almost 1/4 of your starting team in one draft is a solid draft.

I'm guessing 2 starting Olinemen, 1 backup OL, 2 CBs, 1DT, 1 QB, 2 WRs, 1 RB.

With the O-line as the top priority, this would be a good draft outcome!
03-27-2008, 12:53 AM
texaschief

If i can grab an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick somewhere, perhaps by trading down in the first, I'm looking really hard at Limus Sweed at the #4 pick in the second round. I think if we trade down, it's to grab a tackle. I know we still need a corner or another OL, but Sweed opposite Bowe would be nice....REAL NICE.
03-27-2008, 01:00 AM
royalswin100games

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Originally Posted by texaschief

Tank IS Tyler. :lol:

I'm sure the Chiefs will have a draft that is consistent with the last two years. We'll probably come away with at least 5 serviceable players who will eventually turn into solid starters. IMO, drafting almost 1/4 of your starting team in one draft is a solid draft.

I'm guessing 2 starting Olinemen, 1 backup OL, 2 CBs, 1DT, 1 QB, 2 WRs, 1 RB.

If, you read the whole thread, I fixed my post.

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Originally Posted by texaschief

If i can grab an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick somewhere, perhaps by trading down in the first, I'm looking really hard at Limus Sweed at the #4 pick in the second round. I think if we trade down, it's to grab a tackle. I know we still need a corner or another OL, but Sweed opposite Bowe would be nice....REAL NICE.

You like the Longhorn eh? That's a surprise.
03-27-2008, 01:12 AM
texaschief

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Originally Posted by royalswin100games

If, you read the whole thread, I fixed my post.

ok....i don't know what "fyp" means, so....my bad i guess. you DO realize you can go back and edit, right? lol

You like the Longhorn eh? That's a surprise.

Limus Sweed would've been in the top 5, if not generating talk about being the #1 pick overall if he hadn't hurt his wrist early in 2007. If he falls to the Chiefs 2nd pick, I'd be shocked!! I DO like the Longhorns, but that has nothing to do with what i said. He caught a bad break by committing to come back to Austin. He would've been a first round pick EASY last season....probably taken by the Dolphins instead of Ginn Jr.
03-27-2008, 02:07 AM
Chiefster

Herm will never get it right.
03-27-2008, 03:13 AM
hermhater

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Originally Posted by texaschief

Limus Sweed would've been in the top 5, if not generating talk about being the #1 pick overall if he hadn't hurt his wrist early in 2007. If he falls to the Chiefs 2nd pick, I'd be shocked!! I DO like the Longhorns, but that has nothing to do with what i said. He caught a bad break by committing to come back to Austin. He would've been a first round pick EASY last season....probably taken by the Dolphins instead of Ginn Jr.

You can only edit within 10 minutes of your original post.

royals obviously replied 3 minutes too late.

I don't know anything about Sweed, but if you say he's good he must be.

After all, you're from Texas!

:11: :D
03-27-2008, 03:19 AM
tornadospotter

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Originally Posted by Chiefster

Herm will never get it right.

Herm? or cp? I think the cp had better get what we need! He calls the shots on draft day.
03-27-2008, 03:58 AM
hermhater

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Originally Posted by tornadospotter

Herm? or cp? I think the cp had better get what we need! He calls the shots on draft day.

I think CP has hitched his wagon to Herms star and they are both gonna go down together.

Herm might turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to the Chiefs.

Food for thought.

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03-27-2008, 10:18 AM
royalswin100games

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Originally Posted by texaschief

Limus Sweed would've been in the top 5, if not generating talk about being the #1 pick overall if he hadn't hurt his wrist early in 2007. If he falls to the Chiefs 2nd pick, I'd be shocked!! I DO like the Longhorns, but that has nothing to do with what i said. He caught a bad break by committing to come back to Austin. He would've been a first round pick EASY last season....probably taken by the Dolphins instead of Ginn Jr.

I agree that Sweed is good and I also agree that he probably won't be available for our pick in the second round. He does have that history of injury but so do several other talented receivers in this draft.

I believe that we should address OL and DB first. The WR position is deep in this draft class. IMO, as I said on a different thread on this forum, that we could probably grab either an Eddie Royal out of VT or Andre Caldwell out of UF as early as the third round. I think they both could come in and contribute to our team immediately. We'll see what our "fearless" leaders want to do.
03-28-2008, 08:33 PM
Chiefster

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Originally Posted by tornadospotter

Herm? or cp? I think the cp had better get what we need! He calls the shots on draft day.

Both; Herm has input.
03-28-2008, 08:54 PM
OTR Chiefs fan

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Originally Posted by royalswin100games

I agree that Sweed is good and I also agree that he probably won't be available for our pick in the second round. He does have that history of injury but so do several other talented receivers in this draft.

I believe that we should address OL and DB first. The WR position is deep in this draft class. IMO, as I said on a different thread on this forum, that we could probably grab either an Eddie Royal out of VT or Andre Caldwell out of UF as early as the third round. I think they both could come in and contribute to our team immediately. We'll see what our "fearless" leaders want to do.

I agree that OL and DB should be addressed first. Those are our biggest needs. Brackenridge showed some promise last season, I liked to see what he could do at CB. Even though I love D. Bowe, I still think it was a mistake to pick him up in the first round, especially with Joe Staley still on the board. We wouldn't be in quite a bad situation in regards to our O-line and we probably could have picked up Bowe in the second round or another quality reciever. :D
03-29-2008, 12:11 AM
royalswin100games

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Originally Posted by OTR Chiefs fan

I agree that OL and DB should be addressed first. Those are our biggest needs. Brackenridge showed some promise last season, I liked to see what he could do at CB. Even though I love D. Bowe, I still think it was a mistake to pick him up in the first round, especially with Joe Staley still on the board. We wouldn't be in quite a bad situation in regards to our O-line and we probably could have picked up Bowe in the second round or another quality reciever. :D

Joe Staley was still available?

Ryan Khalil was still available in the second round when we picked and we passed on him. Blame that on CP and Herm's incompetence.

I liked that we drafted Bowe. We haven't had a WR like him for as long as I can remember.
03-29-2008, 05:57 PM
DMN

Dude Khalil would have been amazing. He played so well last year the panthers let hartwig go and he is gonna get the start at center. I think in the long run Khalil will be more valuable than Mcbride. I think that Tank on the other hand will be emabarrasing RB's in the next year or two.