He only had one sack allowed last year, and no holding penalties he entire career.
Gholston was the only guy that got around him.
We can still get this guy.
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He only had one sack allowed last year, and no holding penalties he entire career.
Gholston was the only guy that got around him.
We can still get this guy.
Jake would be great. I cant see the rams passing him up though. Pray.
Welcome by the way.
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I have this feeling that someone is going to get really burnt by taking this guy in the top 5. I just hope it's not us.
I'm serious. If you think J. Long is such a stud OL and can protect against the best pass rushers in the NFL, and he ends up being taken before #5, then you HAVE to want to draft the only guy who has ever recorded a sack against him in Gholston. Think about it. If Long is a stud at LT, what does that say for Gholston? Allen and Gholston off the ends would be hell.
If multi-sack games are so common, how come the "best DE in the NFL," Jared Allen only posted 15.5 sacks in 14 games last season? So, either Gholston will be the best DE in the league at 16 sacks a season or J. Long isn't all he's cracked up to be. You can't have it both ways.
Personally, i don't thing Gholston will be the best DE in the league, therefore; J. Long would have his hands full with some of the better DE's in the game...Like Merriman to name one in our own division.
Your the one who can't have it both ways! You bash him when he gives up only one sack to a guy who is projected by some to be the best pass rusher in the draft. Turn the coin over. Instead of saying that makes Gholston a stud, why not say that Long is the stud for only letting him get 1 sack. 1 holding penalty the whole season? Pretty good. Only allowed 1 sack the whole season? Pretty good. I don't know what kind of pro he will be, nobody does but I don't want to hear how happy you are if he falls to #5 and we take him because apparently, you don't think too highly of him.
Go back and read the thread. I just said i DON'T think Gholston will be the best DE in the league. I think he'll be good and a great compliment to Allen if we decide to draft him. But what i'm saying is that Gholston IS NOT the greatest DE. Long will be seeing much better DEs in the league and will probably be allowing sacks to NFL quality pass rushers....like Gholston.
I don't know much about Michigan football. How many NFL quality pass rushers did he face during the season? If we can look at how he did against those players, then we can get a glimpse at how he will fare against NFL DE's.
1-Vernon Gholston- Ohio State
4-Derrick Harvey- Florida
8-Jason Jones- Penn St.
Assuming Harvey and Jones rushed from Long's side, that only gives him experience against 3 NFL quality pass rushers from last season. Of course he's not going to have penalties or allow sacks when he's facing minimal talent.
I'm sorry, but when he's facing:
App. St.
Notre Dame
Purdue
Northwestern
Eastern Michigan
Minnesota
Those schools just don't ring "top talent" to me.
It's what he does against quality talent that you need to look at when analyzing J. Long's performance.
Can't have it both ways?!?!? The man allowed one sack. Period. He isn't from some division II school or anything. So, one play, during the course of an entire season, he made one mistake, and you are gonna jump all over that????
And yet you do nothing but cover up a career full of mistakes by Herm.
You should try to veil your bias at least a little bit. :D
no, but it's not like he played in a good conference the past couple years or played against top competition. Neither did Clady in the WAC. I'd be much more comfortable drafting the best OT from the SEC. Someone who saw NFL talent week in and week out. At least then you'd see some sort of track record.
Why would i try to cover up his mistakes? That's how you learn. You learn from your mistakes. Why do you think there's such a premium on players and coaches who have "experience?" They've already made and learned from their mistakes and know not to repeat them.
Believe it or not, 8 years isn't a whole lot of experience as a head coach. I know it's hard for y'all to believe because this isn't a very patient society we live in.