According to KCChiefs.com we signed 3 new players.
WRs Engram, and Terrance Cooper
LB Monty Beisel
Kansas City Chiefs - Kansas City Agrees to Terms with Three Players
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According to KCChiefs.com we signed 3 new players.
WRs Engram, and Terrance Cooper
LB Monty Beisel
Kansas City Chiefs - Kansas City Agrees to Terms with Three Players
Glad to have beisel back, he can give us some depth at LB.
Dissapointing though.. was really hoping it was Pace or Holt.
So, we now have 9 recievers on our roster. If we went into the season tomorrow who would our starters be?
Bowe, Bradley and Engram? Didn't they just re-sign Webb? This is very confusing. I'd rather have two good recievers than 1 good one and 8 mediocre-bad.
Dont like it.
After what Pioli did with NE and using key players and not key names I trust what he will turn us into.
thing is it seems that Haley is bringing in his posse. We got Pendergast.
And now Beisel who isnt worth picking up..we've had him and moved on.
And now because he was wiht the Cards we get him back?
I grow more confused with every announcement. I must go back to the mirror and repeat to myself, "Pioli knows what he's doing" a thousand more times.....
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Biesel is a consitent performer who brings solid play. While he may not make headlines week in and week out he did contribute in both the Pats and Cardinals franchise. He brings familiarity to a novice LB core being a KC homer and good work ethic. A good LB; not lights out, but a good player
As I said above Engram brings experience and leadership to a novice recieving corps with a consitent level of play. He should do well to tutor and guide some of our young recievers. He's not a block buster, but a performer and one who gets the job done.
Copper brings youth and raw talent to the team, someone we can develop and utilize in the future.
Not necessarily headline guys but talented guys you like to have on your roster.
not sure if we have a return guy yet or not but some of the WR we got have done that before and one might not even be a WR anymore, but converted into a fulltime return man for both kickoffs and punts. IMO
I have seen Engram in a game here and there over the past few seasons, and he may be the best WR on this team now. At least from what I have seen of him.
Maybe I have only seen him on his better days. But he has always played well, that I can remember.
With the lack of depth we had at WR, I definitely like this move.
Beisel? Hmm. I hope he is enough to keep us from drafting Curry.
Not that I have any problem with Curry. I just don't think that we need a LB enough to take one at #3 overall.
He has only been the best player in the draft for about a week now.
When the season ended, he was a fringe top-ten guy.
I am not a big fan of those who impress off the field, as much as those who impress on the field.
Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams and Pat Thomas are good by me.
Add in Vrabel and Beisel, and we are ready to roll.
Im thinking/hoping he will be nothing but a special teamer and backup.
ya, nothing compares. Beisel is the type of player that bounces from team to team (Chiefs, Pats, Cards). to fill in holes and backups.
Curry is a [projected] franchise LB.
I hope this move doesnt take us further away from Curry. Im hoping we get him, yet trying not to get my hopes up.
What I see in Thomas is a new OT!
I can watch any four LBs get blocked by their own D-line, FS and free-running O-linemen and FBs. I don't care what their names are.
The LBs are gonna suck if our D-line sucks. And they will rock if the D-line rocks.
Now imagine getting a top-notch OT, of which there is a variety available at the top of this draft.
You improve the LOT spot, and you get last years top OG prospect to play at RG.
That's like hitting a home run, but with a runner on base!
You get two points for that.
Not to mention the fact that the improved pass protection gives our new QB time to make decisions in the pocket. Thus improving the play of our QB.
If the QB is playing better, then it is hard to argue that the WRS won't do better. They get more time to create seperation, and more overall opportunities.
How about getting to see a real running game return?
With three star O-linemen, suddenly, we should be able to block a couple of defenders to open lanes for our RBs.
That's like having five guys on base when you hit that homer.
O-linemen improve the play of all other offensive positions.
LBs don't.
D-linemen do that for the defense.
I agree with this. I'm not 'completely' sold on anyone at the top of the draft outside of the 3 LT prospects (I like Curry and Orakpo don't get me wrong and wouldn't have a problem taking them).
I think you could also feasibly look at a scenario where the Chiefs draft a Eugene Monroe stick him at LT, move Albert to LG, ship Waters out to another team and recoup some picks in the draft, draft a Center in the 2nd, shift Niswanger to RG, and use a latter round draft choice/FA/Undrafted rookie pick up to throw in some competition with McIntosh and you're looking at an Offensive line thats set to dominate in whatever offensive scheme for the next decade.
Just random musing...
he has been the best player in the draft now for more than a week. He has been that since the end of the collage games. What he did in the combine just layered it in gold.
Pioli will do the right thing with the first pick. its his legacy, and he will always be linked to him.
I also think we will get Curry if hes avail. simply because (I think) its Piolis way drafting defensive players high.
Not sure of their total draft hist. But I know they drafted Mayo 1st last year and another LB in the 3rd. Plus I think of Vince Wilfork and Richard Seymour.
Curry just seems to be the big D name.
Both biesel and cooper are very good special teams players. I would be very suprisedif the chiefs don't have some of the best special teams this year. Paoli is doing an outstanding job in correcting those ares.:bananen_smilies046:
True. It's more of a gut call than anything. I don't see Franklin being part of Pioli's long term plans. He's a small, breakable speedy receiver who doesn't play a part of the return game. Not a Pioli (or Haley, for that matter) type at all.
And everyone complaining because they think a guy like Biesel is washed up - he was a starting LB on a SB team last year. He clearly has something left in the tank. Guys like Roman Phifer were thought washed up journeymen, and Pioli turned them into SB starters.
Biesel and Vrabel will be our ILBs in 2009. DJ will be one OLB. Our other OLB will either be a draft pick (Curry, maybe), Demorrio Williams, or maybe a converted DE. I still think there's a very, very good chance we go Raji at 3 to get our NT of the future.
Our team is moving in the right direction. We're getting cheap, savvy vets to fill in our talent-deprived roster instead of trying to use a bunch of 6th rounders and undrafted guys. We're not overpaying for the likes of Devard Darling and Demorrio Williams.
The Chiefs are getting better this offseason. You have to be blind not to see it.
Glad you agree about Biesel. I can't believe people are down on these signings. We're getting quality vets for cheap at positions of great need. How is this in any way a bad thing?
As for Raji, whenever Pioli had a high pick with the Pats he always used it on DL: Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, etc. He spent the pick last year on OJ Mayo, simply because the Pats are stacked on the DL (Ty Warren, Seymour, Jarvis Green, and Wilfork). I don't see him deviating from that in this draft, especially because we don't have any proven 3-4 DL right now. Hell, our 4-3 DL is one of the worst in the league. I think he's going to trade down with a team that wants Curry (Browns are my bet) and pick Raji at 5.
That being said, if we get Curry at 3, it won't exactly break my heart. He's going to be a good/great LB in this league.
Whats all this talk about Beisel being a starter?
Theres a reason we got rid of him.
theres a reason Pats got rid of him.
theres a reason Cards didnt retain him.
Hes not a starter! He was never a starter. Only a backup and special teamer. And thats exactly what he will do here......hopefully.
He started in the SB last year. He started with the Pats in 2005 and Arizona in 2007.
As we have only two real LBs (Vrabel and DJ), I think Beisel's chances of being a starter for the Chiefs next year are pretty good.
We got rid of Beisel because CP was an idiot, who thought he could get the same production at the LB spot with anyone. Which is why he let guys like Beisel and Kawika Mitchell go and put guys like Pat Thomas and the corpse of Donnie Edwards in their places.
Money means nothing to Pioli right now. We have plenty. Even with Cassel and the #3 pick we still have enough money to get a high-end player, if there was any. We could definately use Pace, but as much as I like and want Holt, we have signed 3 WR's this offseason, so he isn't an option.
No he didnt! The Cards LB starters were Okeafer, Hayes and Dansby. Beisel backed up Hayes. Why, he only had 20 tackles last season.
Does that many tackles sound like a starter to you?
Arizona Cardinals Depth Chart
The Pats LBS in the 3-4 were Mcginest, Bruschi , Johnson and Vrabel. You telling me the Beisel started over one of those guys?
No, he backed up one of the ILBs.
Let me put it to you this way. Beisel was a special teamer/backup here. and here is where he had most of his tackles in a season.. at 50 some. Not NE, not Arizona.
Beisel is a backup and will be backing up Vrabel and Curry.....hopefully.
that's weird to me that you think Franklin might get cut. he's 23 and going into just his 2nd year, and is possibly the fastest player on the team.
I'd like Holt too, but I don't think there's anything wrong with our WR corp right now.
Slot receiver running short routes - Engram (94 catches 2 years ago)
Intermediate routes & screens - Bowe
Deep threats - Bradley/Franklin.