goodbye LJ
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goodbye LJ
LJ and Herm can split the cab fare to the airport.
Remember, LJ has his new Bentley from his 47 mil contract. He can drive both of them to hell outta here...
I hope someone takes his ***.
I like LJ and Herm. But, then again, I like sour milk and autopsies...
No more beer for you then!
Don't touch my beer!!!
Beer is good. Let there be more beer.
Does anyone know why we did not use Charles more this season?
because herm edwards is an idiot and he thinks building the team around lj was the whole answer...jc will be better then lj in my opinion.
even the cbs guys said they didn't know why kc wasn't using jamaal more..that should tell you something right there.
I don't think Charles should be considered the future... I think his role should be similar to Jerious Norwood on the Falcons and Leon Washington on the Jets but with a few more carries: return kicks and punts, catch screen passes, passing downs, and 10-15 carries a game (outside the tackles). I do think he would be the perfect lightning if we could find the thunder (not LJ).
I think Rashad Jennings from Liberty would be perfect.. he is a huge guy who also runs a great 40 time and can bulldoze people.
Take Shonne Greene of Iowa (if he comes out) in the 3rd round and watch him be our Brandon Jacobs/Marion Barber.
I don't like Charles as much as most people here. I don't think he will ever be a healthy contributor to the team as a RB, and I don't think he has the vision to be a premier PR/KR. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
I can see why you would think that from watching him at times this year, but after it's all said and done the guy did have 5.3 yards per attempt this season and did great at blocking out of the backfield. I saw some problems, but I also saw a guy who was the 1st to run for 100 against Tampa in week 9. There's definitely potential there.. but I think he'd be most effective with a situational 10 carries a game, not a lot more or less.
These days theres not many PRIMARY running backs anymore. Its all going to tandems. Which I like cuz you dont have to spend big $ on one that thinks he IT.
I think Charles will work good in our one two punch next year. But dont think hes an every down back.
Im not sure what part of "no RB will ever be productive for the Chiefs if they don't address the O line" you guys don't understand?????????????
I don't like Charles as the starter. Not that I don't think he can do it, I just think we would do better with a two back system. Charles\Smith rotation sounds good to me.
Sproles and Charles are too similar.. speedy, undersized RBs who are best in passing downs and running outside the tackles. We need someone who bangs between the tackles for the tough yards. The thing I do like about Sproles is that he's one of the best return guys in the league.
Derrick Ward could be an interesting signing if he isn't too expensive. I'm just worried that a large part of his success came from running behind the Giants O-Line. Jacobs would be much better, but he'd be too expensive and will probably re-sign with the Giants.
I think Smith could be a good short yardage back.. seems like he always manages to squeeze through for an extra yard, and rarely gets stopped in the backfield like a certain #27.
Ward, Charles, Smith could be a pretty good and inexpensive backfield. Then the money can be put into both lines.
I should add though that I would rather just draft an RB. Any decent back can prosper behind a good o-line.
Well, when one guy carries the ball further than the other, then that percentage means something.
But the fact is that you've said noone could do any better, and yet someone did.
His being injured doesn't change the fact that when he got the football, he took it further that LJ did, when he had the ball.
And YPC is really the measurement of success for rushing. You can run for 1700 yards, but if it took more than 400 carries to do it, then it's just pretty good.
If you did it on 300 carries, then you had a much higher degree of success rushing.
Amen. Good teams don't overpay for RBs. The Falcons were the only team to strike gold with an expensive RB acquisition this year, and they may be regretting the deal in a couple seasons when Turner's legs die.
A steady supply of fresh legs is more important than almost any individual RB.
Like I said, if your definition is this, then we have nothing further to talk about on this subject! 4 or 5 tenths of a percentage point means NOTHING when talking about yards per carry and you know it!! Charles is not anywhere near the RB that LJ is. Its just a fact! Go to any board from any team in the league that will give an unbiased opinion and you won't find 10 people that say Charles is better. Period!
Well I'm not going to argue that YPC is an important stat, it really isn't a complete measurement for success. Example:
Player A has 10 carries for 50 yards (5.0 YPC), consisting of (1) 50 yard carry, and (9) 0 yard carries.
Player B has 10 carries for 40 yards (4.0 YPC), consisting of (10) 4 yard carries.
Which players performance is more likely to result in a win for the team? Player A has a much higher YPC, but picked up 1 first down the entire game, and scored at most 1 touchdown. The other 9 carries he didn't move the chains and didn't help open up the pass.
That's my rant about YPC. Consistency is more important for me, which is why I'd rather have player B. It's not about how many yards you get, it's how and when you get them. It's also part of the reason why teams don't give someone like Jerious Norwood 20 carries a game.
Jerome Bettis had 3.9 YPC for his career and Tatum Bell has 4.9 for his career. You tell me which one you'd rather have.
You're right. There is nothing more to say. half a yard per carry is quie significant. And we are talking about .8 yards per carry anyway.
You seriously need to get over yourself. Your opinion is nothing more than an opinion. It is not fact.
LJ is an average NFL HB at best. If he did anything besides run when there is great blocking, then he may be above average. But he doesn't.
The only other things that he does well are act with little to no class, and pout.
He is not a top-five NFL HB. He is not a top-ten NFL HB.
He is Lawrence Phillips, with the benefit of having ran behind some HOF blockers for a while, with an offensive genius of a coach.
Remove the HOF blockers and offensive genius, and you get what we've seen the past two seasons.
Nothing.
Now this is a classic post! YOU telling someone to get over their self!!!! HAAAAAA HAAAAAAA!!!!!! Like your opinion means more than anyone else's here bud!!!! Moderator or not, your not the know all god of football!!
Half a yard per carry is NOT significant when your getting tackled behind the line of scrimmage every single time you get the ball! Go ahead, stick with Charles and whomever you want to tandem with him back there. They will have one of the worst running games in football. Oh yea, remove the offensive genius and HOF's from ANY team and you get what we had the past two years!!!!
Do you think that LJ will actually be more beneficial to the Chiefs next year than a rookie? LJ is on the wrong side of 30 and is unhappy on the Chiefs. He might do well (1000-1200 yds a year) for another team for another 2-3 years, but as a dominant force, he's finished.
Is he a more complete RB than Charles? Sure. He's bigger, better inside the tackles, and won't break down with 20+ carries a game. But Charles could be a good 3DRB for the Chiefs for the next ten years. Even if he were happy, LJ would only be modestly productive for the next 2-3.
I agree that Charles is not our answer at RB (at least not solely), but neither is LJ. But while Charles has long term use to the Chiefs, LJ, unfortunately, does not.
Would you agree that trading/cutting LJ and drafting a big RB is the best solution to this problem?
Charles is definately not the answer at RB. He is though a long term 3rd down running back for the chiefs just like jmlamerson said. This year was a good rookie class for running backs...its tough to say that 3 or 4 rookie running backs will come out of college a produce right away again...we will see.
[quote=jmlamerson;110596]Do you think that LJ will actually be more beneficial to the Chiefs next year than a rookie? quote]
No, but only because this isnt his style of offense. If it was tight formation with one or two wide outs it would be different story.
This spread out O isnt him. Plus, as you pointed out, hes past his prime.
At this point maybe it would be best to get rid of him strictly from the point that he doesn't want to be here. However, If the team were to address the O line like they should have 3 years ago, he is the PERFECT back for the team! So yes, I do think LJ would be a better back than drafting a rookin RB IF the O line were addressed.
LJ is absolutely a better back than Charles and if you don't consider 1200 yds a "dominant force" I don't know what the heck is considering the league leader this year is at 1400 and some change!! Again modestly productive is not 1200 yds in my opinion. Its a darn good year! Someone said something about him going to Denver. I think it has been proven that if he goes to Denver, he will compete for the ruching title for the next 2 years or so!!!!
Let me put it this way: I don't think LJ, even if he were happy, would do appreciatively better than a big rookie RB behind an improved line. I think that a healthy LJ and a health Tatum Bell would do very similar behind the Denver OL (which is, BTW, one of the reasons that Denver won't shell out the bucks for him). It isn't that I want to ditch him because he's a bad player - I just think that the detriments of his attitutde, possible suspension, and salary are not equal to his positives. I really believe that we can find a rookie that will equal his production next year, even in the later rounds, as long as we rebuild our OL.
I don't think you can or should compare Charles with LJ. They fit two entirely separate roles on the team. I don't trust Charles to be an every down back. And LJ won't ever be the 3DRB or blocker that Charles is. Two entirely separate positions, basically.
I'm not sneezing at 1000-1200 yards, but that's about 65-80 yards a game. It isn't enough of an impact to be worth 1RB money. I'd prefer to take the cap hit this year (while we have the cap flexibility) of a trade or cut, and use the future savings to rebuild to rebuild the rest of our team in FA or to resign any future stars we drafted.
My personal bet - LJ is a Patriot by August.
1200 yds not worthy of 1RB money????? The avg yds per carry for Peterson is 4.8. LJ averaged 4.5. Peterson had 170 more attempts than LJ. Even with this line there is no doubt in my mind that with an equal amount of carries, LJ's numbers would have been in the ballpark with Peterson. Meaning with in a few hundred. LT who is in the standings ranked 12 spots higher than LJ, had 100 more carries than LJ and only had 235 more yds. Only 5 guys in the top 20 averaged more yds per carry than LJ did. Seems to me this all comes down to....give him the damn ball and he will produce!!!!! That is the one thing he has wanted. To get the amount of carries to be productive!!!!!!
If you give LJ the ball, a good OL, and he stays healthy, he will produce. The same is true for many, many RBs. Again, I'm not saying that he's a bad RB - just that he isn't worth the salary, attitude, or possible suspension. That with the conditions outlined above, almost any RB can be successful. That LJ is very replacable in the draft or FA.
Very, very few RBs are worth big money today, and those few are threats in the passing game. LJ is a good back who we can replace fairly easily if we try.