If you've found yourself to be a Cassel apologist, please read this. If you still are aft you read it, there is no hope for you:
Chiefs The Declaration Of Independence, MO - The People vs. Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel - ChiefsPlanet
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If you've found yourself to be a Cassel apologist, please read this. If you still are aft you read it, there is no hope for you:
Chiefs The Declaration Of Independence, MO - The People vs. Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel - ChiefsPlanet
WOAH... well let's just say I am not saying a single word about this one.
I wish I had as much free time as whoever wrote that post...
Good find. I've always said Cassel makes a decent OL look horrible.
The dude definately is not the qb to take us to the super bowl unless we have a unmoveable defense and a hell on wheels run game.
But we all knew that.
Please send this to Mr. Pioli.....thanks
Hey I still like Pioli, and really like Connie Jo.
Cassel to me is just the weakest link in a team that has been built very solid. He's our QB this year, no doubt about it. But he has a long way to go to prove his worth to me. This very well could be his last year as a Chief of he doesn't take a big step forward.
So a Wr dropping a pass has no effect on a QBS numbers????????????? Is that what you're trying to tell me. The Chiefs in 2009 were very close to the record for dropped passes. You don't think that effected Matt Cassel's numbers. I already showed how if you give him just Half of the lower number of drops since Haley had it higher that raised Cassels Completion% 5%. Don't you think that had a impact????????? A drop is a pass that is Catchable that is not caught. Cassel put the ball where the WR could have caught it the ball ended up on the ground. That's not Cassel's fault. It's the WR's job to catch the ball NOT Cassel's what do you expect Cassel to now catch his own passes? Like it or not that IS factor in why some of his numbers are the way they are. Just because it doesn't support your argument doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again I have never said Cassel is a great QB. I just say it's not all on Matt Cassel and the article posted doesn't state all the FACTS just the parts that put it all on Cassel. Where in that did it mention Dropped passes? Where in that did it mention that the winning % went up under Cassel then there 3 years before? Those are Facts they weren't included can you give me a good reason why they weren't?????
Gentlemen.....and I use that term loosely....Cassel is going to be our starter at least at the start of the season (barring injury).
There is no point in whining moaning and *****ing about that idiot who collects a Cowboys paycheck now or Stanzi or anybody else. All we're doing is adding hot air to the atmosphere.
Cassel is "the man" right now and there is no point in *****ing about it.
Ok My man you have convinced me just looking at some facts is a fair way to look at things instead of looking at all the details that have an effect of things so I can now declare the following about MR. Cassel
IN 2009 Matt Cassel was better then Drew Brees,Aaron Rodgers
In 20010 Matt Cassel was better then Drew Brees,Phillip Rivers,Matt Schab,Tom Brady,Peyton Manning,Jay Cuttler
How can I declare this simple we only look at the bare results we don't look into details and all the factors that go into everything that goes into a team and these guys all lost to the "cream puffs" that Cassel beat so the only thing that we can declare just looking at some bare results of things is that Cassel is better. Does that sound fair to you?????????????
Wow, I wish I had time to put together half hearted stat's and video's of someone making a bad play. Because that never happens to receivers or running backs. Oops, dropped the ball in the end zone. Oops, fumbled the opening kickoff on opening day.
Look I'm not a supporter and I think he should be replaced. Stuff happens, but this is clearly someone that dislikes Cassel and is trying to make him look as bad as humanly possible. Hey I over threw the ball. Let's look at that clip again, the lineman missed his assignment so Cassel couldn't follow through on the throw. What logically happens when someone can't follow through...the ball drifts. What happened, the ball drifted. OMG!! It's like...physics or something.
Here's another clip I have a problem with. Cassel missed a receiver swinging his hands that's running across the line of scrimmage. Hmm isn't that BOTH sides of the line collapsing? Oh that's right, half of the offensive line is saying hey Matt, sorry about letting the entirety of the the D line in on you.
Yet another clip Bowe being over thrown. Oh cool, why don't we throw a clip up there of Bowe running the wrong route and then shrugging. My bad, lets try that play again D-Bowe likes running routes!
Finally, Cassel dodging a guy and then running for his life and getting sacked. Hrmm, why would Cassel have to dodge two guys? Oh that's right, the O line sucked and let them come rushing in.
This article is clearly saying "I hate Matt Cassel so I'm going to try and find statistics to make him look bad and clips that I can put witty things on. lol, wtf, omg". There are three kinds of lies in the world, lies, damn lies and statistics. For every person that claims look at the facts I can find you another set of facts that contradicts them. The other thing I think almost every clip missed is that the O line sucked. We've worked this year on getting an upgraded line on both sides of the ball which is why I'm not screaming to the high heavens.
With all that said, please replace our QB as it is now our weak link in the team.
Regardless of whatever happens with Cassel, the biggest hope for the Chiefs QBOTF is still Stanzi.
Stanzi is really the key guy and how fast he can develop and take over the starting QB position.
I'm sure all eyes of Chiefs fans will be on Stanzi in the upcoming preseason.
Agreed, I'll be curious to see how Daboll is with Stanzi. Daboll and McCoy butted heads furiously according to reports. Hopefully Stanzi comes out and does well this year. Honestly I'd like to see him sit another year regardless of what happens with Cassel this year. I don't want to rush him out there just because Cassell isn't hacking it. I'd rather have Stanzi come out when he's ready instead.
[quote=70 chiefsfan70;261623]Good find. I've always said Cassel makes a decent OL look horrible.
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Where is this decent OL that he made look bad. Our Oline has not been decent since since Will Shields and Willie Roaf retired. Charles mad them look decent, but every other RB and QB on this team made them look like what they are. Winston greatly improves this team but there is still quesitons about the middle that I am concerned about.
No you didn't you went to a different year then what was brought up. 2011 and 2009 are not the same year.
http://ffarmory.com/main_blogs/2009-...d-passes-stats http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-alarming-rate
4 chiefs were on the list leading the way. It's not an excuse it's a factor in why the numbers were the way they were in 2009 every team has drops not many come close to record breaking drops.
And I will say this again just to show how only looking at some of the facts and not the whole story like the article posted here does can be so far twisted
IN 2009 Matt Cassel was better then Drew Brees,Aaron Rodgers
In 20010 Matt Cassel was better then Drew Brees,Phillip Rivers,Matt Schab,Tom Brady,Peyton Manning,Jay Cuttler
How can I declare this simple we only look at the bare results we don't look into details and all the factors that go into everything that goes into a team and these guys all lost to the "cream puffs" that Cassel beat so the only thing that we can declare just looking at some bare results of things is that Cassel is better. Does that sound fair to you?????????????
You're right that's one of the most idiotic,ridiculous,asinine things I have ever said and trust me for me that's saying something I left out a whole lot of facts in that statement.Oh you want ALL the facts now. Strange you don't think that article should include all the facts.
Based just on results Matt Cassel can be claimed better since he beat teams that those qbs lost to you no the "Cream puffs" Who cares about all the other stuff right that's just excuses right????????? Or is it only the facts that help defend Cassel that should be left out you no the
1. Near record dropped passes in 09
2. Lack of talent Cassels first Chiefs team had
3. ALL the different OCs that Cassel has played for Including 2 before he even played on snap in the regular season for the Chiefs
4. The losing key players to the offense including the teams MVP
That you would like left out. If you don't want to tell the WHOLE story why should I.
I believe in Cassel. He's elite in my book. GO CHIEFS
When you take Cassel's stats and apply them to the rest of the team and why we're going to be 8-8 this year we're talking about the whole team.
This is a prime example of you cherry picking. You say the team isn't going to be good but then specifically narrow in on Cassel. When I point out other problems you blindly say those don't count and go back to Cassel. Prime. Example.
Important fact #1 rebuttal: Brady had been playing how long in the NFL? What year was it for Casssel? Oh yeah, Cassel's suppose to come out playing like Brady, nevermind.
Important fact #2 rebuttal: The 5th best line in 2011, cherry picking. You didn't even factor in injuries. But you shrug off his 2010 and 2009 rankings when he had the 16th ranked pass blocking line and the 30th...30th!!! ranked pass blocking line. Way to ignore FACTS.
Important fact #3 & #4 rebuttal: No real rebuttal needed. They're pointing out that when the running game works Cassel isn't getting sacked as much. Hmm that almost sounds like some kind of cause and effect thingy. Which leads to...
Important fact #5 rebuttal: The guy had the same sack rate as Cassel. That must be pretty good, oh wait he didn't have many sacks because he was busy throwing INT's and incompletions!!!
Important fact #6 rebuttal: Pioli didn't resign Orton. I'm not sure if the author of this article was eating the same cannoli he accuses Pioli of eating because the last time I checked the NFL wasn't a chain gang. Orton didn't want to be here, plain and simple. He wanted to be a back up and anyone that doesn't believe that needs to go read this article on arrowhead pride Clearing Up Misconceptions On Kyle Orton And The Chiefs - Arrowhead Pride.
Important fact #7 rebuttal: For the 5th best passing line that you so tout please tell me why not one but two defenders are chasing Cassel down in that clip? Buh, buh...
You just don't like Cassel. Just admit it, you'd rather see him and the Chiefs fail so you can point and laugh and say see guys!! I called it. Look at how brilliant I am.
I'm going to enjoy seeing you eat crow at the end of this year when we're not only division champs for the 2nd time in three years and have a strong probability of winning our playoff game.
[quote=My Man Orton;261646]As an EX season ticket holder I also saw a lot of pressure on our QB's including Orton and Palko. I also saw our running game struggle in short situations but I guess that was all Thomas Jones, and Jackie Battles fault or maybe the QB handing the ball off and not the offensive line itself.
I see football as a team sport. Everyone has to be doing their part to make things work. And the one huge glaring variable that your stats do support is who was the OC these years. The best year Cassel had was when Hailey was not calling the plays. Given the clear conflicts Hailey and Cassel had, and the struggles at RT and age in the middle, the offensive line wasn't great. The receivers weren't getting huge separation for the type of plays Hailey was calling, we had no running game.
There are a lot of variables that I can complain about other than Cassel which is why I pointed out that I am an EX season ticket holder. Most of those variables have been addressed. So other than Stanzi who I really wanted to see last year. What other options do we have right now.
I don't see the point of spending the time and energy trashing Cassel at this point. What does it accomplish. Clearly he has zero excuse this year given the talent around him. What if those other variables were a reason for his performance. Why not try and to embrace that and wait until the guy at least plays a game under Romeo and then trash the guy when he has failed. Hating on him now isn't going to change that he is our starter hating on a player before the season starts only adds negativetly that will snow ball to other areas the second something goes wrong.
I'm not going to throw Cassel under the bus as the article that Ryfo18 linked to suggests, BUT, by the same token he must step up his level of play & be more consistent.
What I mean by "stepping it up & being more consistent" is if anyone remembers the 2010 game in Seattle, it was in that game that he looked more like a real bonafide QB, than just a game manager.
That's what the Chiefs need to see more of from Cassel in the 2012 upcoming season.
I agree 100%
Cassel has to play better I have said that a number of times. We have seen times when Cassel has gone out and LOOKED like a qb. The Seattle game the Vikings game this past season Haley got after him he went out and you could tell the difference in him. He went out and won that game. If he can show us that Cassel then the Chiefs will be a real good football team. If not then it's time to give Stanzi a shot.
The article posted does nothing but lay out the bad while ignoring a number of factors. That's why I have been supporting him as much as I have. He's a Chiefs player and when a Chiefs player is being unfairly criticized IMO I will defend that player 100 out of 100 times.
My man I have a challenge for you
Find me a QB that had success with nearly 50 dropped passes and a 29th ranked Defense. Find me 1 And I will agree with you 100% on Cassel.
The Chiefs have already won the division once with Cassel I know I know Cream puffs You see that's you're problem you never give Cassel credit from what he does do. Did you no that Drew Brees,Phillip Rivers,Matt Schab,Tom Brady,Peyton Manning,Jay Cuttler all lost to those creampuffs in 2010? The teams with that Horrible Matt Cassel managed to beat. Those are some pretty good QBs. Brees and Rivers lost twice to them. (if you include the playoffs with Brees) I would be much more willing to listen to you if you just give Cassel Credit where Credit is due. Cassel might have only 17 wins but that's in less then 3 full seasons of starts since he was hurt and it's more wins then the previous management that you praise over and over again for the 4 players they got that were good managed to win in 3 FULL seasons.
The truth is a lot of your criticism is very fair with Cassel. But not all of it. And you just have to learn to give him a tad bit of credit when it's earned.
you are the lamest "fan" I have ever seen. you buy into this assinine biased one sided "article" where some moron writes hes opinion and finds a stat to back it up. Yet when its pointed out you have a hissy fit because people dont share your hatred of our QB?? Shut the fu** up, you regurgitate the same bullsh!t non stop around here...go watch your cowboys!!
Cassel does not win when we throw first...we have not been a throw first team since Dick Vermeil...we throw when we are behind and have to abandon the run game...what? your precious article doesnt mention things like that? I guess you have to leave things like that up to the thinkers. Bowe drops a lot of passes....but yeah, its Cassels fault.
No one here is saying Cassel is Brady or Manning or Brees or rogers but he is who we have and in all your ranting and crap you spew...you still have yet to name ONE guy who we should have replaced him with....the best solution you have come up with is a lateral move to Orton. You posts are old, your opinion is retarded....find some new reason to hate on the Chiefs dumbas$!!:bananen_smilies046: