http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...et-cb-in-draft
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...miami-dolphins
If the Dolphins are willing to offer the 54th overall pick, the Chiefs should just take it and move on.
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If the Dolphins are willing to offer the 54th overall pick, the Chiefs should just take it and move on.
They should hold out for #42. Albert is worth it. If the Dolphins are already conceding that Albert is worth a 2nd round pick, they'll come down to #42 by the time the draft rolls around. There are only 3 legit LT's in this draft. I think Albert is probably a better option than Lane Johnson talent-wise, but probably a poorer value. There are more than 3 teams in this draft who need a LT. An early 2nd round pick isn't too much to ask for a legit starting LT.
If there weren't the back issues, then that would be one thing. But, with those concerns, the Chiefs won't be able to bleed #42 out of Miami and probably have to settle for #54.
Besides, the Chiefs are around 3 Mill under the cap and need to create some cap space.
I won't discount Eric Fisher, although I'd be happy with Joeckel. Fisher is a road-grater in the running game ( Jamaal Charles would love running behind this guy ) and his pass-protection skills are excellent. Plays with a mean streak & he's very athletic. Pretty tough call between the two.
Yes, lets trade off a top 10 LT and replace him with a unproven rookie with the first pick in the draft. Because tackles win superbowls. Only the Chiefs.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/1...zz-eric-fisher
They say in this article that Fisher may be the chiefs target If Albert stays, because the whole reason why Albert is wanting the trade is cause he wants to keep his LT position, but Fisher says he's willing to move to Rt for his rookie season, and with this guys athleticism I think that would be a good move. We would have one of the most potent offensive lines in football!
Last check no single player wins a SB without a team behind them. The Ravens won last year and took a T in the first round. Last time Green Bay won a SB they drafted a T in the first round. Df those played win the SB for their teams? You are replacing a LT that is disgruntled and not willing to switch positions do a younger more athletic T. How does thu not make sense?? Hater....
I get your point here bud, but I think Albert has made it clear that he wants out of KC and I would rather replace him with a top ten OL draft pick than to keep Albert who would rather be playing somewhere else. I have to admit that I'm a little baffled at the "tackles don't win Superbowls" mentality. I'm I to believe that tackles have absolutely nothing at all with winning Superbowls? Let's say for argument's sake that we draft Geno and eventually get to the Superbowl with him, could we leave our tackles at home and expect to win? I'm not saying that tackles alone win Superbowls but neither do quarterbacks. It's a collaborative effort, and I for one am ready to try putting together a championship team through top ranked draft picks as well as free agency activity. The Chiefs have been more active in free agency this year than they have in - I don't know how long, and Dorsey has made it clear that he intends to build through the draft; a philosophy by which several Superbowl teams have been successful. This is a little weird for me, I'm not used to disagreeing with you much at all, but like I said I do understand your point of view and how it may look like business as usual with the Chiefs.
I have been an Albert supporter since day one. He has been criticized to no end. Yet he has done his job pretty darn well. His stats show him in the top 10 for a couple of years now, that is impressive considering his position becomes much harder with a "panic prone" qb who had the weakest and most inaccurate arm in the nfl. We were basicly a one dimentional team and he still did a very good job. He has been underpaid, up until this year, and up until this year has never complained that I am aware of.
I wanted the best available qb in this draft...........but with Alex and Chase signings I dont see the need for a qb in the first. I still believe we gave up waaaay to much for a qb that has little chance of being the qbotf. Since we are still in rebuilding mode I see a really big need in getting a second round pick back. This draft has enormous value in the second round and we are really missing out if we dont have a second. That all being said I think Alberts time is up. We need to free up some cash, and pick up a new young future hall of famer with that pick.
I wish Albert well.
Another thing to think about is, next year we will be in a world of hurt with the cap and I could see us having to let some big guys go, say like either Flowers, Berry, DJ, Hali, or even Alex, So it would not hurt to look for some replacements. Just saying. We desperately need to have a second round pick for this draft.
albert is not that good... i dont know why they are interested in him. there are much better players around then him sorry
Keep him and draft the CB#1 to replace Carr
There is NOT a better LT available then Brandon. You put him on a team that actually has a decent qb and passing game he will look like a top 5 LT. Trust me, Albert is NOT the reason we sucked last year or the year before.
I dare bet even Luke Joeckle and Fisher wont have the impact Albert will in the next 3 years. Unless of course Aberts back may not be healed as expected and reported.
BTW...... Welcome to the Best Chiefs site on earth. :smile
They are reporting on the radio with Kevin Harlen that this is basically a done deal pending a physical. They are also about to have Herm Edwards one to discuss drafting Albert, because the Chiefs Traded up to get Albert because they knew Andy Reid and the Eagles were going to take him. So the conversation is basically stating that Andy Reid knows what he has with Albert from studying him in college and then agains the Chiefs and then with the Chiefs.
So the Chiefs know who they have. The problem is clear and has been very publicly announced. Albert has a bad back, even though he was cleared to be paid. He believes he is a top 3 LT and is wanting to be paid so, knowing that he has not played a full season with the last being out with a bad back. He has showng attitude towards the Chiefs stating that he tends to only play LT and is not open to being moved to Guard or RT.
The Chiefs are looking to trade Albert because He is looking for a payday that is not in the best interest of this franchise. They are not moving him simply because LT is the best player in this draft and don't need two of them.
Apparently, the Dolphins can talk with Alberts agent about contract details, but Albert cannot go for a visit or physical yet.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...with-dolphins/
Let him take his selfish butt to Miami he is the ONLY guy who did not show up work workouts the ONLY one. He thinks he's to good to be there send him away
This is the only franchise in the history of the NFL who is trading a LT to draft a LT with THE FIRST PICK IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT.
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Why don't we cut through the smokescreens and tell it like it is:
Remember when thay had the chance at #5, in 2010, to draft a LT prospect ( Russell Okung ) who, overall, possessed better blocking skills & better physical and athletic skills than anybody that the Chiefs had on their roster at that time & they could have moved Albert to Guard, but instead, opted to draft a Safety instead? Kind of come full circle hasn't it?
No, that isn't hindsight, either. This was discussed to death around the web prior to that selection being made, and I provided a whole slew of points as to why passing on Okung would do more to hurt them in the long run than drafting Berry would do to help them. Of course, Albert was everybody's crutch for taking Berry.
It backfired, just like I predicted that it would. Does anybody with any common sense and logic, really believe for one minute that if Dorsey/Reid had been with the Chiefs in 2010 and making that selection, that they would've taken Berry over Okung? Not a chance. Neither would have Dick Vermeil, Marty Schottenheimer, Hank Stram, or GM Don Klosterman.
He screwed the pooch when he announced he would only play LT & he wouldn't take whatever was offered to him by the new regime.
Actually, since there were no elite QB options available to upgrade the worst QB situation in the NFL, they traded their above average LT plus a 2nd round swap for an above average QB and got an elite level LT at #1.
Branden Albert's positional value < Alex Smith's positional value.
But you go on believing that the Chiefs took a lateral move.
Vermeil wouldn't have had a pick at #5... he would've traded that pick LOOOOOOOOONNNNG before he even got around to thinking about who he'd take at that spot. Vermeil and Peterson are primarily responsible for the hole this franchise has been in for the better part of the last decade.
Miami let their starting LT walk in free agency and is now looking to give up a second rounder to take a step down from what they previously had, and would move up in the first to get a LT but also need to keep their picks to replace a starting Corner they let also get signed in Free agency.
Why can't people realize that ithere is two sides to every signing. It is not the Chiefs telling Albert they don't want him and take a hike. It is Albert causing the issue by expecting to be made king, and publicly posting his stubborn attitude about it.
If the Chiefs play their cards right...This could work out well. We could draft another QB as insurance in the second round.
It's not that Albert is a bad player, but the bottom line is if you've invested a large amount of money & draft picks in a QB like Alex Smith (who's coming off of injury) the last thing you want is a LT that's getting ready to throw a Larry Johnson style hissyfit if his contract doesn't have what he wants, franchise tag or no.
How do you know he is elite? He has never played a single snap in the NFL. We traded a LT to get a slight upgrade at LT and then traded TWO second round picks for a game manager. But don't take the game manager comment from me, take it from your boy Derrick Johnson, that is what he said when he was asked about Alex Smith. Atleast Geno or a young qb can be developed into something more than a game manager.
And that's what we need, another game manager.
I remember when Miami drafted a LT #1, passed on Matt Ryan, and continued to search for a solution at QB for the next 5 years.
He could be he could be a total bust. Stop acting like it's a sure thing. Geno has done nothing to give you any impression that he's a sure thing you pimp the guy out like you owe him money. The fact is there is NO ONE that has geno worthy of the top pick. He wasn't even the best player at his pro day but we should take him with the best pick in the draft no question? Stop it. He could be good in the NFL he could be a total bust don't act like there is no question about it and that we are stupid for not taking him. We got a QB that has done something in the NFL. You really need to get over the Geno thing or just go root for the team that takes him.
This Miami comparison would work if it were not for 1 little thing. Miami didn't go out that offseason and trade for a QB that year. THey didn't go trade for a QB who had a playoff win under his belt and had his team close to the superbowl. Outside of that little fact it works
You're right. They did however sign Chad Pennington, who DID have 2 playoff wins under his belt (Alex Smith has 1, btw). Alex Smith was benched for a 2nd year QB, as well.
So how are the situations that different again? Still think they wouldn't want Matt Ryan instead of Jake Long? Of course they would.
I don't recall anything in my post comparing Miami to the Chiefs. I was only showing that the Chiefs are not the only team to pass on their current player only to draft that same postion. I am sure if the Chiefs had Traded Cassel and draft Geno you would still think it was stupid.
Why does it matter when they signed him? They still relied on a retread QB from another team. Only they were smart enough to not blow an early 2nd rounder on him.
Smith has lost his job several times in the past. It wasn't until Jim Harbaugh arrived that he magically started playing OK (keyword: OK). Harbaugh's smart though. That's why he threw Kaepernick in as soon as he got the opportunity.
You're a homer. If the Chiefs were set to draft Geno in this draft, you'd be arguing for that side too.
It matters because it effects your mindset on how to approach the draft. Teams who already have a qb who they think there going to be going with are less likely to draft a QB unless he's far and away better then anyone on the board. Right or wrong the Chiefs went out and got someone they think is going to be there QB going forward. We will see if they are right or wrong on Smith. But at the time the Dolphins drafted long they had yet to go get a QB. We have. It's not the same situation sorry it's just not.
He had lost his job under HORRIBLE coaching. I again ask you to show me 1 qb to play good under Mike Nolan and Singletary. Name 1. The coaching was piss poor for Smith his first few years. When he got good coaching the team went from being Horrible in 2010 to being a couple of muffed punts away from the superbowl. Smiths improved play was a part of that.
And you have had your lips on Geno's rear end for months anyone else that we pick if it was a LT or any one else you would find a way to say how stupid we are for not drafting Geno Smith. He's not the sure thing you and my man make him out to be. Hell there's anther QB in this draft to beat Geno 3 times. If Geno is so good like you like to claim Ryan Nassib must be god. If Geno was the guy who reports were saying we would be picking you're right I would be ok with it. I would defend him just like I am the reported pick of Jockel against people who were being unfair to the pick before it has even happened. Before he has played 1 nfl snap. Maybe just maybe Dorsey and Reid know what they are doing. It's possible. But anyone not named Geno will suck apperently
Not quite. Neither Hali or Bowe got involved with the social media when the franchise tag was put on them, the way Albert did. They both kept silent & neither made statements about "wanting long term commitments" or "not wanting to play under the franchise tag". Neither were there any physical concerns like Albert has regarding back issues. Totally different scenario regarding Albert & both Bowe and Hali have been more productive players through their time in KC than Albert has been
Just my opinion, and it is just mine, we need OL help, biggest need on our team, QB change has happen, there is no QB worthy of a first pick in this draft, not sure if even a 1st round. Does not mean that any of them could become great, just saying there not worth the pick now. I like Fisher, because he is willing to play RT or LT, that says he wants to just play, Branden has stated he only want to play LT, so that sounds to me like someone who is unwilling to do a job he is assigned to do, I for one do not like employees who are not willing to do the job they are asked to do. So I have no problem with trading Branden Alberts.