Pin this loss on Cassel

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11-08-2010, 10:09 AM
Ryfo18

Pin this loss on Cassel

Got your attention didn't I? I just think it's outrageous that everyone wants to throw Cassel under the bus. I understand that to the casual observer the QB is the highest profile position and so it makes sense to blame him. He didn't play his best game, but here's what I saw from this ugly game from the Chiefs:

1.) Studebaker with a HOLDING call to negate a 41-yard field goal. Holding on any field goal attempt is inexcusable, it should never happen.

2.) Jacoby Ford's kickoff return for a TD. Killed all of the momentum after a 10 point lead.

3.) At least 3 plays of 1 yard to go for a first down getting stuffed. Thomas Jones was ineffective in short yardage situations.

4.) Berry's holding penalty (or maybe it was illegal block in the back) on the Arenas return TD. Once again, momentum would have taken a huge turn in our favor but the Chiefs once again shot themselves in the foot.

5.) Brandon Flowers played one of the worst games I have seen from him. The dropped interception on the last drive that setup the game tying field goal was horrible. Through his hands, right into Ford's hands. He then proceeded to get beat to setup the game winning field goal. Campbell was not afraid to go after Flowers, and rookie Jacoby Ford made him look like an average cornerback instead. I'm sorry, but I expect more out of a guy who is being labeled as "shutdown". Ford had 4 catches for 37 yards all year coming into this game and finished yesterday with 6 for 148 yards.

6.) I gotta pick on Carr too. The play where Jacoby Ford fell on the ground and hauled in a pass at the 8 yard line was terrible. Carr never looked for the ball, he should have easily batted that down.

7.) The defense as a whole had a chance to stop the Raiders from getting a game tying field goal. No timeouts and a minute and a half left. The defense has to get it done there.

8.) Dwayne Bowe's drop on 3rd and long with less than 2 minutes left. He catches that ball, it seals the deal and the Raiders don't get the ball back.

9.) Receiving corps as a whole. The receivers have to get open when they are stacking 8 guys in the box to stop the run. Didn't seem like it was happening.

10.) Matt Cassel doesn't go without blame. The INT before the half is inexcusable and without it we most likely go into the half up 13-0. He also missed some passes that he should have had downfield. His accuracy has to get better.

Too many mistakes on both sides of the ball to win this one. The team we saw yesterday was very reminiscent to me of the one that has haunted me the last 3 years. They need to make a statement next week in Denver. For now, I'm worried.
11-08-2010, 10:19 AM
honda522

In all honesty, I blame the offensive/offensive play calling/offensive coaching strategy on our losses and our close games. You can only expect your defense to hold a team to so many points. 13 points or less allowed by a defense is acceptable. The problem is the offense is not scoring when they should...giving the ball back to the opposing team to soon, and too many times a game.

What is it gonna take to score some points?
11-08-2010, 10:24 AM
Seek

can we just cut L. Pope now so that there is no attempt to ever throw him the ball again, specially on critical downs. The guys is a offensive lineman, not a receiver.
11-08-2010, 10:28 AM
SIC J

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Originally Posted by honda522

In all honesty, I blame the offensive/offensive play calling/offensive coaching strategy on our losses and our close games. You can only expect your defense to hold a team to so many points. 13 points or less allowed by a defense is acceptable. The problem is the offense is not scoring when they should...giving the ball back to the opposing team to soon, and too many times a game.

What is it gonna take to score some points?

The defense held the Raider offense to 13 points in regulation. What are you talking about? One of the TD's was from special teams.
11-08-2010, 10:34 AM
pbatrucker

This was a very dis appointing TEAM lose. Players and coaches can share the blame for this one. And how can you leave Cox inactive?
11-08-2010, 10:50 AM
Lazeye

I am sorry but I am putting this on bowe.
If he could be a PRO WR and catch the ball we could have ran almost all of the clock out with that 1st down. I understand we all can find other reasons to apply the blame, but you have to agree if he catches that ball we have a 98% chance of winning the game. I think its time to look at who will be in the draft at WR for our first pick next year.
11-08-2010, 10:52 AM
Ryfo18

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Originally Posted by Lazeye

I am sorry but I am putting this on bowe.
If he could be a PRO WR and catch the ball we could have ran almost all of the clock out with that 1st down. I understand we all can find other reasons to apply the blame, but you have to agree if he catches that ball we have a 98% chance of winning the game. I think its time to look at who will be in the draft at WR for our first pick next year.

If Studebaker doesn't hold, another 3 points on the board and the Raiders have to score a TD at the end.

If Flowers intercepts that ball, game over.

If Berry doesn't hold, still a possibility that Arenas takes it to the house.

Bowe should have caught that ball, but saying Bowe's mistake was worse than any of these others isn't fair.
11-08-2010, 11:03 AM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by Ryfo18

Got your attention didn't I? I just think it's outrageous that everyone wants to throw Cassel under the bus. I understand that to the casual observer the QB is the highest profile position and so it makes sense to blame him. He didn't play his best game, but here's what I saw from this ugly game from the Chiefs:

1.) Studebaker with a HOLDING call to negate a 41-yard field goal. Holding on any field goal attempt is inexcusable, it should never happen.

2.) Jacoby Ford's kickoff return for a TD. Killed all of the momentum after a 10 point lead.

3.) At least 3 plays of 1 yard to go for a first down getting stuffed. Thomas Jones was ineffective in short yardage situations.

4.) Berry's holding penalty (or maybe it was illegal block in the back) on the Arenas return TD. Once again, momentum would have taken a huge turn in our favor but the Chiefs once again shot themselves in the foot.

5.) Brandon Flowers played one of the worst games I have seen from him. The dropped interception on the last drive that setup the game tying field goal was horrible. Through his hands, right into Ford's hands. He then proceeded to get beat to setup the game winning field goal. Campbell was not afraid to go after Flowers, and rookie Jacoby Ford made him look like an average cornerback instead. I'm sorry, but I expect more out of a guy who is being labeled as "shutdown". Ford had 4 catches for 37 yards all year coming into this game and finished yesterday with 6 for 148 yards.

6.) I gotta pick on Carr too. The play where Jacoby Ford fell on the ground and hauled in a pass at the 8 yard line was terrible. Carr never looked for the ball, he should have easily batted that down.

7.) The defense as a whole had a chance to stop the Raiders from getting a game tying field goal. No timeouts and a minute and a half left. The defense has to get it done there.

8.) Dwayne Bowe's drop on 3rd and long with less than 2 minutes left. He catches that ball, it seals the deal and the Raiders don't get the ball back.

9.) Receiving corps as a whole. The receivers have to get open when they are stacking 8 guys in the box to stop the run. Didn't seem like it was happening.

10.) Matt Cassel doesn't go without blame. The INT before the half is inexcusable and without it we most likely go into the half up 13-0. He also missed some passes that he should have had downfield. His accuracy has to get better.

Too many mistakes on both sides of the ball to win this one. The team we saw yesterday was very reminiscent to me of the one that has haunted me the last 3 years. They need to make a statement next week in Denver. For now, I'm worried.

Could not agree more. There was so much that happend that hurt this team that Matt Cassle had nothing to do with.

Cassle does have to play better but the WHOLE TEAM has to play better going forward.
11-08-2010, 11:10 AM
Lazeye

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Originally Posted by Ryfo18

If Studebaker doesn't hold, another 3 points on the board and the Raiders have to score a TD at the end.

If Flowers intercepts that ball, game over.

If Berry doesn't hold, still a possibility that Arenas takes it to the house.

Bowe should have caught that ball, but saying Bowe's mistake was worse than any of these others isn't fair.

What I am getting at is all that other junk you said would not be important if we just get 1st downs when you have the lead and there is only 2 mins or so in the game and the other team has no timeouts. We failed to seal a game that was WON at that time. I did say that there were alot of things in the game that went wrong but the time I am referring to is the one that could have ended the game and if you cant agree on atleast that then well get mad at all the mistakes and blame a team for not being PERFECT. We overcame our mistakes up to that point and just did not seal the win.
11-08-2010, 11:19 AM
Ryfo18

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Originally Posted by Lazeye

What I am getting at is all that other junk you said would not be important if we just get 1st downs when you have the lead and there is only 2 mins or so in the game and the other team has no timeouts. We failed to seal a game that was WON at that time. I did say that there were alot of things in the game that went wrong but the time I am referring to is the one that could have ended the game and if you cant agree on atleast that then well get mad at all the mistakes and blame a team for not being PERFECT. We overcame our mistakes up to that point and just did not seal the win.

Fair enough. You're still giving a pass to everyone else though. I guess Bowe is the only one that needs to be accountable for mistakes.

All I'm saying is that good teams overcome mistakes. The Chiefs didn't do that yesterday despite having multiple opportunities. If there isn't that holding call on the kick return, the Chiefs are likely up by 10 points at the end of the game and we're not even talking about the Bowe dropped pass.
11-08-2010, 12:06 PM
rodu

Why did Pope run a 1 yard pattern when he needed like 3, he's not going to make anyone miss
11-08-2010, 12:19 PM
figcrostic

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Originally Posted by Lazeye

I am sorry but I am putting this on bowe.
If he could be a PRO WR and catch the ball we could have ran almost all of the clock out with that 1st down. I understand we all can find other reasons to apply the blame, but you have to agree if he catches that ball we have a 98% chance of winning the game. I think its time to look at who will be in the draft at WR for our first pick next year.

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.
11-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Lazeye

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Originally Posted by Ryfo18

Fair enough. You're still giving a pass to everyone else though. I guess Bowe is the only one that needs to be accountable for mistakes.

All I'm saying is that good teams overcome mistakes. The Chiefs didn't do that yesterday despite having multiple opportunities. If there isn't that holding call on the kick return, the Chiefs are likely up by 10 points at the end of the game and we're not even talking about the Bowe dropped pass.

Ok Bowe is not the only one to blame you are right but I am more upset with his performance than any one other player, berry upsets me at times with his reads but I know hes a rookie so If we would have lost because he let a blown coverage happen I would not even post that it was his fault he is still learning but he is good against the run. Bowe is no rookie and I am still upset about bowes dropped pass in I think the Texans or Colts game that I think could have helped seal the game for us. I think Bowe is to stuck on himself for the team that Haley is breeding and cant wait till we draft a WR next year, Haley was all over his WR in AZ and Bowe is lucky hes the head coach now or I think Bowe would be crying going home after games.
11-08-2010, 12:21 PM
Ryfo18

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Originally Posted by Lazeye

Ok Bowe is not the only one to blame you are right but I am more upset with his performance than any one other player, berry upsets me at times with his reads but I know hes a rookie so If we would have lost because he let a blown coverage happen I would not even post that it was his fault he is still learning but he is good against the run. Bowe is no rookie and I am still upset about bowes dropped pass in I think the Texans or Colts game that I think could have helped seal the game for us. I think Bowe is to stuck on himself for the team that Haley is breeding and cant wait till we draft a WR next year, Haley was all over his WR in AZ and Bowe is lucky hes the head coach now or I think Bowe would be crying going home after games.

Now that I agree with you 100%. WR is probably one of the biggest positions we need help at.
11-08-2010, 12:33 PM
Lazeye

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Originally Posted by figcrostic

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.

Ok I am glad you know my thoughts and feelings, I am to smart to blame a rookie for any mistake unless he forgets to show up to a game on time and then I would be pissed. I dont hold rookies to the pro standard because they are unproven in their first season. umm it was a good pass...it hit bowes hands and chest or slide along them either way as a WR sometimes the ball will not be perfect but PRO BOWL WR get it done no matter what, and yes I know that is the problem our #1 WR is not a pro bowler. How many times did we see Tony G slide or twist his body around just to make a catch and he is what oh thats right only the best TE to ever play, that is because he did what it took to make the catch. The TD Bowe did catch he was not being double teamed until just after the catch that is why the passing lane was open. Just admit Bowe has hand issues and an ego that need to go!!!
11-08-2010, 12:35 PM
Lazeye

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Originally Posted by Ryfo18

Now that I agree with you 100%. WR is probably one of the biggest positions we need help at.

I am not big on watching college and do not know who out there would in next years draft...have any ideas?
11-08-2010, 12:36 PM
Ryfo18

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Originally Posted by figcrostic

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.

What about that pass wasn't good? It was absolutely perfect and that's how the play was designed. Bowe runs like he's going deep, Cassel throws it short, Bowe stops the route, and Bowe "is supposed to" catch the ball that hit him right in the numbers.
11-08-2010, 12:40 PM
doobs_05

everyone is to blame in this loss, defense, offense, special teams, coaching. It was terrible. We made stupid mistakes. You can't blame just one person it was everyone. But is it me or was Hali being held all day?
11-08-2010, 12:59 PM
chiefnut

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

everyone is to blame in this loss, defense, offense, special teams, coaching. It was terrible. We made stupid mistakes. You can't blame just one person it was everyone. But is it me or was Hali being held all day?

that is just what i have said, there is lots of blame to go around, not on single play or player was the only reason we lost but nearly everyone, nearly every phase of the game had a hand in it. let's just drink alot of beer and move on to smokin the chargers in SD, sweepin the bronc's and throwin a special beat down on the raders we they come to our house.:toast2::bananen_smilies046::drunkhb::chiefs :
11-08-2010, 01:10 PM
Lazeye

I would rather lose to the faders in their house instead of ours, I thinks its time for the fans to put this one past us and let our team learn what they need to so we can become the great team we all want.
11-08-2010, 01:11 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by Ryfo18

Now that I agree with you 100%. WR is probably one of the biggest positions we need help at.

If we somehow someway get a REAL number 1 Wr this offense will look so much better. I don't care how we do it but we have to get a number 1 WR. It would help the running game it would help Matt Cassel it would help D bowe. Look at Bowes best year it was when we had a number 1 target in Tony G. A real number 1 WR would go so far to improve this offense. I think it is MUCH more of a need then anther qb. Maybe as important as getting upgrades on the o line. Something we have to do IMO.
11-08-2010, 01:14 PM
marloweopatchiefs

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Originally Posted by figcrostic

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.

It wasn't a good pass huh? What game were you watching? That pass to bowe hit him right in the numbers and his hands and he dropped it. How was that not a good pass?
11-08-2010, 01:24 PM
Lazeye

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

I think it is MUCH more of a need then anther qb. Maybe as important as getting upgrades on the o line. Something we have to do IMO.

I agree 100% with this, Cassel does not look like the best at times but what he did for NE when he a a complete team was impressive. I saw him run for like 8 or 9 yrds on a play that most would have been sacked on. Give Tony M another year and I think he will be as Tony G was at first. I am getting a Tony M jersey for sure.
11-08-2010, 01:31 PM
Hayvern

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Originally Posted by figcrostic

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.

Ahh Again, we have to explain the obvious to you.

First, Moeaki has shown all year that he has the capability to catch the ball when asked and in clutch situations. No one expects someone to catch every single pass thrown to them, but Moeki has done a pretty good job with his consistency.

Yes he had a bad game yesterday, but he has shown he is a good player and has the consistency to be a good target.

Bowe on the other hand has shown consistency in his inability to catch the ball. It's not like this was one bad game for him, it is a continuation of three years og bad games for him.

Then going back to his celebration where he had such sticky hands he could not drop the ball, well that is gone now, again.

Bowe is like Jose Conseco. He is awesome when the game it not on the line and he needs a clutch hit. When the game is on his shoulders, he cannot do crap.

At first, I thought the ball was thrown horribly, but after watching the replays, that pass was thrown exactly where it needed to be to keep the defender from making a play on it. Bowe simply has to make that catch, he has shown consistently he cannot do it.
11-08-2010, 01:41 PM
kckidd8870

It was a team lose.Like Bowe not making a crucial catch at the end of the fourth qaurter.Not scoring in touchdowns in the red zone and the refs calling that penalty on Berry when arenas took the kickofff the distance.Berry didn't block in the back.It was a great block.We need to finish drives with touchdowns.I'm not taking anything away from the Raiders but we didnt put them away when we had the chance.It was a learning experience.Next time put them away.One last thing,did you see that holding On Gillberry ,when Cambell threw that last long pass.Were was the flag on that
11-08-2010, 01:54 PM
bigpoppachief

As Forrest Gump would say "I Hap pens" Look I am disgusted because we lost to the raiders just like anyone else but I cant believe how many people arte giving up on "thier" team kinda makes me dissappointed and sick. Look its the raiders it doesnt matter if we had Peyton freakin Manning and Larry Fitzgerald to go with our players now it for whatever reason is a dog fight with Oakland because we HATE each other ! We should of and could of won that game but they got a kicker who can boot 60 + yarders. Should Bowe caught the first down pass? Yeah Should Flowers got the INT yeah, Hell Carr def should of knocked down that long pass to Ford it comes down to one thing and that is heart and Sunday the Faiders had more heart and desire to win.
11-08-2010, 02:04 PM
nigeriannightmare

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Originally Posted by figcrostic

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.

Did Cassel sleep with your girlfriend, steal something from you???? D-Bowe is not a number 1 receiver hardly someone you can rely on in clutch plays. My beef is the coaching...3rd and 3 and you run a yard route for the hope a break a tackle with someone who probably won't get it done...aahhhhhh!
11-08-2010, 02:05 PM
Lazeye

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Originally Posted by bigpoppachief

it comes down to one thing and that is heart and Sunday the Faiders had more heart and desire to win.

I would agree with any other game but we all know the faders dont have an heart, there is a reason they call it the black hole. I call this luck and the lack of our own heart. Maybe our team needed this loss and we dont know it yet but we will find out with the rest of the season and when they come to town.
11-08-2010, 07:51 PM
chief31

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Originally Posted by figcrostic

First off I doubt your sorry, secondly that was not a good pass, thirdly Moeaki had two drops plus a penalty and no one is giving him S! D-Bowe if I'm not mistaken came through with a TD despite constantly being double covered.

You're right. It wasn't a good pass. It went between the hands of Bowe. :lol:

IT WENT BETWEEN THE HANDS OF BOWE!
11-08-2010, 08:05 PM
SIC J

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Originally Posted by chief31

You're right. It wasn't a good pass. It went between the hands of Bowe. :lol:

IT WENT BETWEEN THE HANDS OF BOWE!

Actually he tried to catch the ball with his body rather than his hands and thats why he missed it. The pass where EXACTLY where it was supposed to be though.
11-08-2010, 10:18 PM
2010chiefs

WE SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP MOSS. Would have improved both our running game and the passing game!
11-09-2010, 06:04 AM
pbatrucker

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Originally Posted by 2010chiefs

WE SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP MOSS. Would have improved both our running game and the passing game!

Sincw TN picked him up before we had a chance to pick him up, THIS POST MAKESS NO SENSE!