Adam Carriker

I think that if adam carriker falls down as far as people expect him to which is around the late teens area, i think we gotta trade up for him, jared allen and a draft pick would probably do it. Carriker is an absolute monster that could really help out the defense. Maybe its just that im a Nebraska fan and i have seen him in alot of games, or maybe its that i remember another DE out of Nebraska that we took in the 1st round named Neil Smith! I understand we drafted DE Tamba Hali last year in the first round, but the last time we drafted DEs in the first round back to back years it was Neil Smith and Derrick Thomas! if they could be half of what those 2 were then we would be in good shape.

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Originally Posted by diehardkcfan

if they could be half of what those 2 were then we would be in good shape.

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Agreed. But I don't see a DE with the first round pick. But we do have Herm picking. So conventional wisdom would say a defensive pick.

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It would be nice to be able to trade up, and get a decent first round pick, and it is possible, Carriker would be an all right pick. if we were to trade up and get him, As Coach said, Herm is picking and he definitely is defense minded.

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Come on. Seriously?????

Do we really want to throw two,or more, draft picks at a position that we already have a stud at? Forget that we can't protect a quarterback? Forget that the middle of our defensive line backs up on running plays? And just make a non-impact draft of it? We would be extremely lucky, to have some rookie wind-up being as good as Allen is. And we already have Jared Allen. What would we gain from this? We would (hopefully) secure an already secure position. And we would use two draft picks ( at least) to do so.

I hate to sound like I am attacking you here. I just have a great respect for the way Jared Allen plays the game. Not to mention, he is quite young yet.

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Originally Posted by chief31

Come on. Seriously?????

Do we really want to throw two,or more, draft picks at a position that we already have a stud at? Forget that we can't protect a quarterback? Forget that the middle of our defensive line backs up on running plays? And just make a non-impact draft of it? We would be extremely lucky, to have some rookie wind-up being as good as Allen is. And we already have Jared Allen. What would we gain from this? We would (hopefully) secure an already secure position. And we would use two draft picks ( at least) to do so.

I hate to sound like I am attacking you here. I just have a great respect for the way Jared Allen plays the game. Not to mention, he is quite young yet.

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I've said this before but it bares repeating; we need to sure up the "O" line. That being said; Kenny1937 and admin are correct when they say that Herm is defensive minded and that conventional thinking does favor a defensive pick in the first round.

if you look around the forum you would see that i am very high on picking up chris houston, dwayne bowe, or joe staley but there are people on here coming up with there own dreams on draft day i just wanted to put it out there and see what would be said about it, and not to mention the problem jared allen isnt how good of a player he is, its that he wants out of KC!

I don't see how Jared can be in a Chiefs uniform on opening day. He has a one year contract or he gets to sit. So he'll take the contract. He would have to have a MONSTER year to get big time $ next year. Guess who else is sitting there, unhappy. Mr. LJ. Franchise is reserved for him in 08. That means Allen is UFA and I doubt the Chiefs pay him the $ to keep him. That said, he is gone for 4 games next year anyway. Maybe it's time to deal him. If he stays, one of two things happen:

1) LJ signs contract extension in the middle of the year and Allen is franchised
2) LJ is franchised and someone else overpays Allen's DUI legacy.

(or the new commish puts the kabash on off-duty activities and Allen's career is cut short)

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Originally Posted by diehardkcfan

if you look around the forum you would see that i am very high on picking up chris houston, dwayne bowe, or joe staley but there are people on here coming up with there own dreams on draft day i just wanted to put it out there and see what would be said about it, and not to mention the problem jared allen isnt how good of a player he is, its that he wants out of KC!

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I don't believe that Jared really wants out of town. That is, often, a negotiational tactic. I think he is salty, about not recieving an offer, from the Chiefs, for a long-term deal. Therefore, you make a ruckus, to bring some attention to yourself. It definitely doesn't sound like the Lance Briggs situation, yet.

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Originally Posted by diehardkcfan

if you look around the forum you would see that i am very high on picking up chris houston, dwayne bowe, or joe staley but there are people on here coming up with there own dreams on draft day i just wanted to put it out there and see what would be said about it, and not to mention the problem jared allen isnt how good of a player he is, its that he wants out of KC!

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This is fine; you are free and encouraged to do so. Just because someone may present an opposing point of view does not mean that they are trying to disrespect you. We're all good natured Chiefs fans here. :D

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Originally Posted by stlchief71

I don't see how Jared can be in a Chiefs uniform on opening day. He has a one year contract or he gets to sit. So he'll take the contract. He would have to have a MONSTER year to get big time $ next year. Guess who else is sitting there, unhappy. Mr. LJ. Franchise is reserved for him in 08. That means Allen is UFA and I doubt the Chiefs pay him the $ to keep him. That said, he is gone for 4 games next year anyway. Maybe it's time to deal him. If he stays, one of two things happen:

1) LJ signs contract extension in the middle of the year and Allen is franchised
2) LJ is franchised and someone else overpays Allen's DUI legacy.

(or the new commish puts the kabash on off-duty activities and Allen's career is cut short)

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Hopefully the Chiefs stick to their guns on this one. I hope they do franchise LJ and let Jared go at the end of next season. I don't think he is worth the money he is asking.:sign0098:

From all indications, Allen has a problem that effects his playing time, unless he gets help with his problem, he isn't going to be worth anything to any team, you can't help any team if you are sitting out suspensions for your off the field activities. If you had a 8 to 5 job, you know how long your employer would put up with your particular problem. Bottom line, he has to change some things about his lifestyle, if he must drink, he has to quit driving.

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Originally Posted by kenny1937

From all indications, Allen has a problem that effects his playing time, unless he gets help with his problem, he isn't going to be worth anything to any team, you can't help any team if you are sitting out suspensions for your off the field activities. If you had a 8 to 5 job, you know how long your employer would put up with your particular problem. Bottom line, he has to change some things about his lifestyle, if he must drink, he has to quit driving.

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Well said kenny1937!

I'm all for trading both Jared Allen and Larry Johnson, and it doesn't have a great deal to do with their attitudes or even their off field problems but more so with their pure market value at this point in time. With all the Chiefs needs, building through the draft will take forever! Some how Peterson is going to have to find away to stockpile picks for this upcoming draft and that of 2008. Players are replacable.

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

I'm all for trading both Jared Allen and Larry Johnson, and it doesn't have a great deal to do with their attitudes or even their off field problems but more so with their pure market value at this point in time. With all the Chiefs needs, building through the draft will take forever! Some how Peterson is going to have to find away to stockpile picks for this upcoming draft and that of 2008. Players are replacable.

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Why trade them when we know that he can already get the job done? Who are you gonna get for LJ that would improve the RB position? Sure they have great market value...cause they are good and they are on our team. Who's next, Gonzalez?

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Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan

Why trade them when we know that he can already get the job done? Who are you gonna get for LJ that would improve the RB position? Sure they have great market value...cause they are good and they are on our team. Who's next, Gonzalez?

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Agreed, and...

Perish the thought!

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Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan

Why trade them when we know that he can already get the job done? Who are you gonna get for LJ that would improve the RB position? Sure they have great market value...cause they are good and they are on our team. Who's next, Gonzalez?

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I realize that this a VERY uncomfortable topic for most, and yes I'll agree that there is clearly a risk factor involved in trading LJ. But if we can let's set the stage with a few questions:

#1: The parts around LJ that have contributed to his success and the Chiefs are either gone (Roaf/Richardson) or so to be gone (Wiegmann/Shields/Green and Kennison) and not only will this directly translate into less production but also increase LJ's frustration level. There had been remarks made (rumors) that some of LJ's teammates did not much care for him and his attitude. Underpaid, over used and less productive, not a good combo.

#2: Underpaid...but for how long? LJ and his agent are working to cut a new long term mega-buck deal just a notch below that of LT's. What will this do to the Chiefs cap and future ability to sign needed free agent players?

It's nice to have a big screen TV plastered on your wall IF you also have a chair or two, a bed and maybe a few chicken wings but unto itself is it a sound investment?

Replacing LJ could be accomplished in the upcoming draft if draft picks are obtained for this year. It may require more than one RB, but any more a two back system seems to be the way to go: (1) RB Brian Leonard, and (2) Tony Hunt.

Replacing DE Jared Allen is actually a bigger concern and restricts serious consideration of such a move. The only player in the draft that I would feel comfortable with as a replacement is the kid from Nebraska, but he is top 10 material and very likely out of the Chiefs reach. But a trade of LJ could provide the needed picks to meet most of the Chiefs draft needs.

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

I realize that this a VERY uncomfortable topic for most, and yes I'll agree that there is clearly a risk factor involved in trading LJ. But if we can let's set the stage with a few questions:

#1: The parts around LJ that have contributed to his success and the Chiefs are either gone (Roaf/Richardson) or so to be gone (Wiegmann/Shields/Green and Kennison) and not only will this directly translate into less production but also increase LJ's frustration level. There had been remarks made (rumors) that some of LJ's teammates did not much care for him and his attitude. Underpaid, over used and less productive, not a good combo.

#2: Underpaid...but for how long? LJ and his agent are working to cut a new long term mega-buck deal just a notch below that of LT's. What will this do to the Chiefs cap and future ability to sign needed free agent players?

It's nice to have a big screen TV plastered on your wall IF you also have a chair or two, a bed and maybe a few chicken wings but unto itself is it a sound investment?

Replacing LJ could be accomplished in the upcoming draft if draft picks are obtained for this year. It may require more than one RB, but any more a two back system seems to be the way to go: (1) RB Brian Leonard, and (2) Tony Hunt.

Replacing DE Jared Allen is actually a bigger concern and restricts serious consideration of such a move. The only player in the draft that I would feel comfortable with as a replacement is the kid from Nebraska, but he is top 10 material and very likely out of the Chiefs reach. But a trade of LJ could provide the needed picks to meet most of the Chiefs draft needs.

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A well thought out reply; good job.

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

I realize that this a VERY uncomfortable topic for most, and yes I'll agree that there is clearly a risk factor involved in trading LJ. But if we can let's set the stage with a few questions:

#1: The parts around LJ that have contributed to his success and the Chiefs are either gone (Roaf/Richardson) or so to be gone (Wiegmann/Shields/Green and Kennison) and not only will this directly translate into less production but also increase LJ's frustration level. There had been remarks made (rumors) that some of LJ's teammates did not much care for him and his attitude. Underpaid, over used and less productive, not a good combo.

#2: Underpaid...but for how long? LJ and his agent are working to cut a new long term mega-buck deal just a notch below that of LT's. What will this do to the Chiefs cap and future ability to sign needed free agent players?

It's nice to have a big screen TV plastered on your wall IF you also have a chair or two, a bed and maybe a few chicken wings but unto itself is it a sound investment?

Replacing LJ could be accomplished in the upcoming draft if draft picks are obtained for this year. It may require more than one RB, but any more a two back system seems to be the way to go: (1) RB Brian Leonard, and (2) Tony Hunt.

Replacing DE Jared Allen is actually a bigger concern and restricts serious consideration of such a move. The only player in the draft that I would feel comfortable with as a replacement is the kid from Nebraska, but he is top 10 material and very likely out of the Chiefs reach. But a trade of LJ could provide the needed picks to meet most of the Chiefs draft needs.

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I understand what you are saying, but as for the parts that contributed to his success...? I know I did not see Roaf or Richardson last year (unfortunately), I only saw Green for half the season and Kennison...about the same. So I don't agree that these are the guys that made hiim go. Wiegman and Shields yes. As for the "big contract" lets cross that bridge when we come to it. Let him have another big year then talk market value vs keeping him when he wants hi big payday. As for now, I say leave well enough alone. And I also agree about the big screen TV, and especially the chicken wings. :)

Starting Defence...place at the table...WOOOOOOO

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Starting Defence...place at the table...WOOOOOOO

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Yeah, but your still under you're rookie contract. :D

Do we want to go with a unknown RB if we trade LJ and with O-Line that is not getting any younger. Yes I wish LJ was as good as Priest is catching, knack for the hole ability, and leadership skills(team-player). If we don't sign him now(LJ), we should see a very motivated guy looking for the big payday here or somewhere else, why not roll the dice with him.

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Do we want to go with a unknown RB if we trade LJ and with O-Line that is not getting any younger. Yes I wish LJ was as good as Priest is catching, knack for the hole ability, and leadership skills(team-player). If we don't sign him now(LJ), we should see a very motivated guy looking for the big payday here or somewhere else, why not roll the dice with him.

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He's currently under contract.

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Originally Posted by Chiefster

He's currently under contract.

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Yep, Hermie will run him twice, pass, then punt. (grin)

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Originally Posted by jgunn1966

Do we want to go with a unknown RB if we trade LJ and with O-Line that is not getting any younger. Yes I wish LJ was as good as Priest is catching, knack for the hole ability, and leadership skills(team-player). If we don't sign him now(LJ), we should see a very motivated guy looking for the big payday here or somewhere else, why not roll the dice with him.

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L.J. does one thing well. He runs, between the tackles. He gives up on outside running plays, as well as the blocking and recieving deficiencies, already mentioned. ( Not that he is a poor reciever) I believe that most backs could have success running behind Shields, Waters and Wiegmann.

That said, here is how I believe things will go down, regarding L.J. We will break the bank for him, now. ( costing us more talent, elsewhere) He will be a productive runner. He will continue to be Herms baby. (Getting lots of hugs and praise.) He will never be a "complete back". He will never be pleased with his team.

I noticed that everyone says we should trade LJ cause he is no Priest. I hate to break the news to everyone, but the next running back we get won't be Priest either. We have to deal with what we have. Good, bad or otherwise. And remember, I am still available for September :)

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Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan

I noticed that everyone says we should trade LJ cause he is no Priest. I hate to break the news to everyone, but the next running back we get won't be Priest either. We have to deal with what we have. Good, bad or otherwise. And remember, I am still available for September :)

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I don't think that Priest was a terrific back. I think he was a good back, who excelled at several aspects of playing the position and played behind an incredible offensive line. However, his personality was what made him an icon, to me. What I want, is a top-tier laef tackle and a good-guy runner. I will cheer for anyone who gets the football, as long as they're wearing a Chiefs uniform. It's just hard to praise someone who has a selfish personality. Because they will, gladly, pat themselves on the back.

Well said!

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Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan

I noticed that everyone says we should trade LJ cause he is no Priest. I hate to break the news to everyone, but the next running back we get won't be Priest either. We have to deal with what we have. Good, bad or otherwise. And remember, I am still available for September :)

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True, and since he is the best we have right now, we might as well get ready to suffer through his bravado, cause, no matter who is running, I want to see the Chiefs win!! GO CHIEFS!!

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Originally Posted by kenny1937

True, and since he is the best we have right now, we might as well get ready to suffer through his bravado, cause, no matter who is running, I want to see the Chiefs win!! GO CHIEFS!!

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100% AGREED!

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Originally Posted by chief31

L.J. does one thing well. He runs, between the tackles. He gives up on outside running plays, as well as the blocking and recieving deficiencies, already mentioned. ( Not that he is a poor reciever) I believe that most backs could have success running behind Shields, Waters and Wiegmann.

That said, here is how I believe things will go down, regarding L.J. We will break the bank for him, now. ( costing us more talent, elsewhere) He will be a productive runner. He will continue to be Herms baby. (Getting lots of hugs and praise.) He will never be a "complete back". He will never be pleased with his team.

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I agree with this assessment; he seems to feel that Kansas City is somehow beneath him.

I have figured LJ out, he is his own number one fan :sign0151: (grin)

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