Alex vs trent

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08-12-2013, 03:32 PM
chiefnut

Alex vs trent

everyone has been comparing alex smith to matt cassel as "good vs bad" or "bad vs ugly" depending on your point of view [and rooting preference] so i just thought how does alex stack up against Trent Green whom most KC fans would agree did a pretty good job. so i compared alex' last 4 years w/sf and trents 5 years w/KC not including the last injury year. found some intersting stuff

alex 62% compl
trent 62% compl

alex 12yds/compl
trent 13yds/compl

alex 62 tds 5% of pass att
trent 111 tds 5% of pass att

alex 32 int 3% of pass att
trent 76 int 3% of pass att

the biggest diff was on # of attempts which then made the yds, tds, ints alot higher for trent and that was a product of the DV system

just thought it was an interesting comparrison
08-12-2013, 05:42 PM
brdempsey69

I personally can't really make a comparison between Green and Smith & that's due to the supporting casts and what I mean is the cast that Green had as opposed to what Alex Smith is going to have in KC.

Not only did Green have that terrific O-Line, they also had all-world blockers in Jason Dunn and Tony Richardson, as well as the best receiving TE in the game in Tony Gonzalez. Alex won't have quite that caliber of a supporting cast BUT, Alex Smith will have a good enough supporting cast to run the Offense very much the way that Rich Gannon did in his heyday -- just like we saw Friday night.

Plus, Alex Smith should have a much better Defense helping him out in 2013, than Green ever had.
08-12-2013, 06:24 PM
jason1981

How can you say you cant compare the two? I actually think if smith had the same supporting cast as green did that smith woukd have better numbers than green. Mean smiths numbers are close to greens with less supporting cast so thete for smith shoukd excel better in greens place. But its all theories.
08-12-2013, 08:01 PM
brdempsey69

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Originally Posted by jason1981

How can you say you cant compare the two? I actually think if smith had the same supporting cast as green did that smith woukd have better numbers than green. Mean smiths numbers are close to greens with less supporting cast so thete for smith shoukd excel better in greens place. But its all theories.

That's my point -- they don't have the same supporting cast!! It's a whole different cast of characters. So the comparison, to me, isn't a good one -- at least not until Smith gets a supporting cast comparable to the one Green had & Andy Reid's Offense is different from the one that was ran by Vermeil, anyway.
08-15-2013, 10:24 AM
Chiefster

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Originally Posted by brdempsey69

That's my point -- they don't have the same supporting cast!! It's a whole different cast of characters. So the comparison, to me, isn't a good one -- at least not until Smith gets a supporting cast comparable to the one Green had & Andy Reid's Offense is different from the one that was ran by Vermeil, anyway.

Agreed, it's apples and oranges between two different Chiefs teams separated be nearly a decade. It's also a different league than it was back then.
08-15-2013, 04:26 PM
chiefnut

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Originally Posted by Chiefster

Agreed, it's apples and oranges between two different Chiefs teams separated be nearly a decade. It's also a different league than it was back then.

so why has SOOOO!! much time been spent discussing the "smith vs cassel" comparison??? BTW I do agree u cannot compare different QBs from different teams w/different personnel, coaches, schedule.
08-15-2013, 04:34 PM
Chiefster

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Originally Posted by chiefnut

so why has SOOOO!! much time been spent discussing the "smith vs cassel" comparison??? BTW I do agree u cannot compare different QBs from different teams w/different personnel, coaches, schedule.

You got me, why?
08-15-2013, 05:20 PM
brdempsey69

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Originally Posted by chiefnut

so why has SOOOO!! much time been spent discussing the "smith vs cassel" comparison??? BTW I do agree u cannot compare different QBs from different teams w/different personnel, coaches, schedule.

Because of the crybabies that wanted a QB taken with the top draft pick in the 2013 draft.
08-16-2013, 01:00 PM
doobs_05

Because they have similar numbers?
08-16-2013, 01:43 PM
chiefnut

numbers??? whats in the numbers...remember that statistics don't lie,....but liers can make up statistics. I bet smiths numbers are similar to trent dilfers when he won the super bowl
08-16-2013, 03:48 PM
Seek

Hold up!!!! Are people hating on Alex because he is similar to Trent Green???? Trent Green lead one of the most explosive offenses in the league and when you are saying he had a better supporting cast. That is true, but his receivers were scraps pulled off the Street. Other than Tony G his receivers were not better than what we have now. Yes he had a great offensive line and blockers but Reid is trying to build that same model. I can't tell you how much fun I had out there yelling YOu You You every time we scored a TD.

If Alex is being compared to Trent Green. I am freaking stoked. Lets do it. People hating on this style of offense have forgot what an offense is supposed to do. Move the ball and score. Who cares if it is a 2 yard pass for a 8 YAC.
08-16-2013, 04:38 PM
brdempsey69

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Originally Posted by Seek

Hold up!!!! Are people hating on Alex because he is similar to Trent Green???? Trent Green lead one of the most explosive offenses in the league and when you are saying he had a better supporting cast. That is true, but his receivers were scraps pulled off the Street. Other than Tony G his receivers were not better than what we have now. Yes he had a great offensive line and blockers but Reid is trying to build that same model. I can't tell you how much fun I had out there yelling YOu You You every time we scored a TD.

If Alex is being compared to Trent Green. I am freaking stoked. Lets do it. People hating on this style of offense have forgot what an offense is supposed to do. Move the ball and score. Who cares if it is a 2 yard pass for a 8 YAC.

No, I'm not hating on Alex Smith because of the comparison to Trent Green. I'm saying that the comparison is not a good one & like chiefster said it's like apples to oranges. We both like Alex and we don't care what happened in SF with him, because it's what he does with the Chiefs now that counts.
08-16-2013, 04:48 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

Because they have similar numbers?

Using just numbers or wins is not a fair way to judge. As I stated last season you can use just numbers or results to make a guy look as good or as bad as you want. For example If I wanted to I could use results to say Matt Cassel>Drew Brees Why Cassel went unbeaten against the NFC west that year Brees lost twice. Numbers and results don't tell the whole story you have to include all the details in which Cassel had the advantage in his first season of having one of the greatest coaches ever Smith had a coach who was dropping his pants at halftime in the locker room and sending his number 1 TE off the field. Cassel also had Randy Moss Wes welker and all the Pats weapons Smith had Brandon Lyod and Arnaz Battel all these things also play into it. So while there numbers might be similar there situations were no where near similar to not include that factor is just not fair to make the comparison
08-16-2013, 04:51 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by brdempsey69

Because of the crybabies that wanted a QB taken with the top draft pick in the 2013 draft.

THIS THIS AND MORE THIS

MY Man wanted GENO Smith anyone else wouldn't please him. So he bashes the QB before he played 1 down with this team. He then bashes him after he plays 1 drive and goes for a touchdown. My man is the main one going on with the Cassel 2.0 thing because he didn't get what he wanted which going on the fact that Geno can't beat out the buttfumble guy leads me to think the Chiefs made the right choice
08-16-2013, 06:43 PM
doobs_05

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

Using just numbers or wins is not a fair way to judge. As I stated last season you can use just numbers or results to make a guy look as good or as bad as you want. For example If I wanted to I could use results to say Matt Cassel>Drew Brees Why Cassel went unbeaten against the NFC west that year Brees lost twice. Numbers and results don't tell the whole story you have to include all the details in which Cassel had the advantage in his first season of having one of the greatest coaches ever Smith had a coach who was dropping his pants at halftime in the locker room and sending his number 1 TE off the field. Cassel also had Randy Moss Wes welker and all the Pats weapons Smith had Brandon Lyod and Arnaz Battel all these things also play into it. So while there numbers might be similar there situations were no where near similar to not include that factor is just not fair to make the comparison

I'm lost with the brees cassel thing

Sending off vernon davis wasn't good in the long run? If he didn't set him straight, he'd just be another player who was a bust or traded away.

And if numbers can not compare players, then what do you compare with? Does this mean we should never compare Manning and Brady?

I also understand as fans of teams you'll be happy with anything at QB (well mostly anything). Fitzpatrick could of been signed and you'd make the same arguement "well he had it different in buffalo" and you'd have people like My Man saying it's terrible and we are bringing a Cassel 2.0 in. Its fine to think Smith might not be the answer to a super bowl win and its nice you think he can lead them to a super bowl, but until it's proven, all we can do is argue and discuss it
08-16-2013, 06:44 PM
doobs_05

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

THIS THIS AND MORE THIS

MY Man wanted GENO Smith anyone else wouldn't please him. So he bashes the QB before he played 1 down with this team. He then bashes him after he plays 1 drive and goes for a touchdown. My man is the main one going on with the Cassel 2.0 thing because he didn't get what he wanted which going on the fact that Geno can't beat out the buttfumble guy leads me to think the Chiefs made the right choice

Again, cassel led a TD drive in his first preseason game last year. It's more nothing than it is something (alex TD drive) and it was against the LOWEST RANKED D LAST YEAR, we better of got a TD drive against them.
08-16-2013, 07:29 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

I'm lost with the brees cassel thing

Sending off vernon davis wasn't good in the long run? If he didn't set him straight, he'd just be another player who was a bust or traded away.

And if numbers can not compare players, then what do you compare with? Does this mean we should never compare Manning and Brady?

I also understand as fans of teams you'll be happy with anything at QB (well mostly anything). Fitzpatrick could of been signed and you'd make the same arguement "well he had it different in buffalo" and you'd have people like My Man saying it's terrible and we are bringing a Cassel 2.0 in. Its fine to think Smith might not be the answer to a super bowl win and its nice you think he can lead them to a super bowl, but until it's proven, all we can do is argue and discuss it

The point with Brees and Cassel is this. If we want to base our judgement on just numbers and results in 2010 I can make that arguement to get a fair comparison you have to include all the details pro cassel and pro smith. You have to.
If you and I were both starting QBs in the NFL going into our first year I had Bill Belichick Randy Moss,Wes Welker and a bunch of weapons you had Mike Nolan Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lyoid do you really think it would be fair to say see I'm just as good as you if we put up similar numbers of course not. The people saying Smith is Cassel 2.0 never bring up Cassel walked into a MUCH better situation then Smith did. He had benefits that Smith didn't have. Why leave that out? To be fair you have to included ALL Factors something the Cassel 2.0 people have yet to do.

I've never said Smith can lead this team to a superbowl. I have no idea what Smith is going to do. But to judge a guy before he has played one down with THIS head coach with THIS talent around him is just not fair. Give the guy a chance what's wrong with that

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

Again, cassel led a TD drive in his first preseason game last year. It's more nothing than it is something (alex TD drive) and it was against the LOWEST RANKED D LAST YEAR, we better of got a TD drive against them.

I have said over and over that was the most meaningless drive this team will have all year. But what did i see but people (mymanHali) saying that drive shows hes Cassel 2.0 dink and dunk BLAH BLAH BLAH all I said is there's nothing to complain about after 1 drive and 1 td that all we can do right now is say good start keep it up. That's far from saying see he's the guy. I wasn't the one judging the drive.