Clock management and lack thereof

I don't typically vent and generally try to stay positive but I have to get this off my chest. I don't remember anyone mentioning this yet, but the last two weeks I feel like Andy Reid has really mismanaged the clock late in the game. I don't recall the details from the SD game, but if memory serves correctly we called a timeout with several seconds left on the playclock late in the game that gave SD an extra 30 seconds or so to drive the length of the field for the win.

Lastnight, when the Chiefs were clearly in scoring position on 2nd down, Reid elects to pass the ball instead of running Jamaal Charles(our best player by the way) resulting in clock stoppage with 2:03 left. The much smarter play in 4 down territory would have been to run the ball and wind the clock down to 2:00. Instead we had to run another play. Even if we would have scored a TD on that horrendous 4th down play call, Peyton would have had nearly two minutes to put the Broncos in FG position. Considering he abused us routinely in the 2nd half, why give him that opportunity?

I've read comments from Philly fans in the past talking about the poor clock management skills of Andy Reid. I chalked those up to being comments made by bitter Andy Reid fans. Now I know better. Clock management errors at the MINIMUM aided our loss to SD. Clock management would likely have led to us getting beat by a FG against the Broncos even if Alex had completed the worst pass play ever designed for a 4th and Game situation. Don't even get me started on that 4th down play call. Give your damn QB a chance to make a play. Flat out embarrassing Andy. Andy should apologize to the tens of thousands of fans that spent a portion of their Christmas money to watch that incredibly thoughtless playcall. No read was even made, it was a timing route thrown into double coverage that should have been intercepted. Andy, you let your team down with that play call. You let your fans down with that play call. But most importantly you let Alex Smith down with that horrific playcall.

Yeah he had time management issues at the end of Phillys SB loss too. It's something that he has I guess. Must not be too changeable or he would have surely fixed it by now. He's still head and shoulders above our last 3 coaches! I still feel he was the right hire for us at the time. Only time will tell if he can lead us to the promise land, but here's hoping that he can.

Coach.....while I have to agree that there have been some WTF? moments with Reid's clock management, I think you are going just a bit over the top. Andy Reid is likely not "the greatest coach that ever lived", but he has without a doubt made a huge difference for the better.

I have to agree on that last play call. Nobody was lined up to run a 5-yard square in or square out & trying to go to the end zone when they needed 4 yards to pick up a 1st down was totally insane.

I'm not saying I don't like Andy Reid. I do. I'm saying he needs to get better at clock management. He's the best coach we've had since Schottenheimer.

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Originally Posted by Coach

I'm not saying I don't like Andy Reid. I do. I'm saying he needs to get better at clock management. He's the best coach we've had since Schottenheimer.

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Let's hope he makes us say Schotten-WHO???????

At first I thought the clock thing against the Chargers hurt. But then I thought about it and in the long run it worked out as a positive for the Chiefs that the timeout was called. He called Time out with about 17 secounds left on the play clock the Chargers scored with about 20 left in the game. They would have only had 3 seconds on the clock instead of 20. The Chiefs wouldn't have been able to take much more time off since at the time the Chiefs had the ball on the drive in question the Chargers still had timeouts I don't think that really hurt the Chiefs in any way after considering all that

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

At first I thought the clock thing against the Chargers hurt. But then I thought about it and in the long run it worked out as a positive for the Chiefs that the timeout was called. He called Time out with about 17 secounds left on the play clock the Chargers scored with about 20 left in the game. They would have only had 3 seconds on the clock instead of 20. The Chiefs wouldn't have been able to take much more time off since at the time the Chiefs had the ball on the drive in question the Chargers still had timeouts I don't think that really hurt the Chiefs in any way after considering all that

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Good point. A lot of calls a coach makes come down to "Hero or Goat" type situations. Had we called the time out, scored, San Diego scored and then we came back to tie it back up, people would be saying Reid was a genious. Glad I don't have to make those kind of decisions.....though I will say that when Reid called that timeout I had a VERY SERIOUS case of WTF!!!!!!! Damn near threw my beer at the computer screen.

Reid's play calling and clock management have been questioned. Fairly I think. But I still think that Reid/Dorsey are the best thing to happen to our Chiefs in a very very long time. For the good they have done, they get a pass from me for the times when they have made the wrong choice. Nobody is perfect, but these two guys are the closest we have had to a perfect combination in a VERY LONG TIME!

I think we are in for a LOT of fun years!

That last play, it was a call to one receiver. What! It was to Bowewish would be a great. That was it! Should of just called a QB draw, because Smith would have had a bigger chance of scoring running than that one option for bowe.

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Originally Posted by Coach

I don't typically vent and generally try to stay positive but I have to get this off my chest. I don't remember anyone mentioning this yet, but the last two weeks I feel like Andy Reid has really mismanaged the clock late in the game. I don't recall the details from the SD game, but if memory serves correctly we called a timeout with several seconds left on the playclock late in the game that gave SD an extra 30 seconds or so to drive the length of the field for the win.

Lastnight, when the Chiefs were clearly in scoring position on 2nd down, Reid elects to pass the ball instead of running Jamaal Charles(our best player by the way) resulting in clock stoppage with 2:03 left. The much smarter play in 4 down territory would have been to run the ball and wind the clock down to 2:00. Instead we had to run another play. Even if we would have scored a TD on that horrendous 4th down play call, Peyton would have had nearly two minutes to put the Broncos in FG position. Considering he abused us routinely in the 2nd half, why give him that opportunity?

I've read comments from Philly fans in the past talking about the poor clock management skills of Andy Reid. I chalked those up to being comments made by bitter Andy Reid fans. Now I know better. Clock management errors at the MINIMUM aided our loss to SD. Clock management would likely have led to us getting beat by a FG against the Broncos even if Alex had completed the worst pass play ever designed for a 4th and Game situation. Don't even get me started on that 4th down play call. Give your damn QB a chance to make a play. Flat out embarrassing Andy. Andy should apologize to the tens of thousands of fans that spent a portion of their Christmas money to watch that incredibly thoughtless playcall. No read was even made, it was a timing route thrown into double coverage that should have been intercepted. Andy, you let your team down with that play call. You let your fans down with that play call. But most importantly you let Alex Smith down with that horrific playcall.

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heres my quote from the thoughts about the game tread, my thoughts exactly we had time to run some run plays in the mix and we didn't even though Charles was tearing Denver a new one all game

Even though I said the officials can't see everything I agree that there were blatant non-calls. But in just don't agree with over exaggerating it saying our team sucks and our season is over. Gotta admit the officials gave us 1 when Avery fumbled though. I think Reid not throwing runs in there with that last drive hurt us bad, even if we scored Manning had plenty of time to get into field goal position. This is the second game where Reid's clock management skills are lacking

All very good points Coach.

guess the hurry up is out of the question. on the last drive we scored how much time was wasted with the huddle while the clock's running down???

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Originally Posted by Coach

I don't typically vent and generally try to stay positive but I have to get this off my chest. I don't remember anyone mentioning this yet, but the last two weeks I feel like Andy Reid has really mismanaged the clock late in the game. I don't recall the details from the SD game, but if memory serves correctly we called a timeout with several seconds left on the playclock late in the game that gave SD an extra 30 seconds or so to drive the length of the field for the win.

Lastnight, when the Chiefs were clearly in scoring position on 2nd down, Reid elects to pass the ball instead of running Jamaal Charles(our best player by the way) resulting in clock stoppage with 2:03 left. The much smarter play in 4 down territory would have been to run the ball and wind the clock down to 2:00. Instead we had to run another play. Even if we would have scored a TD on that horrendous 4th down play call, Peyton would have had nearly two minutes to put the Broncos in FG position. Considering he abused us routinely in the 2nd half, why give him that opportunity?

I've read comments from Philly fans in the past talking about the poor clock management skills of Andy Reid. I chalked those up to being comments made by bitter Andy Reid fans. Now I know better. Clock management errors at the MINIMUM aided our loss to SD. Clock management would likely have led to us getting beat by a FG against the Broncos even if Alex had completed the worst pass play ever designed for a 4th and Game situation. Don't even get me started on that 4th down play call. Give your damn QB a chance to make a play. Flat out embarrassing Andy. Andy should apologize to the tens of thousands of fans that spent a portion of their Christmas money to watch that incredibly thoughtless playcall. No read was even made, it was a timing route thrown into double coverage that should have been intercepted. Andy, you let your team down with that play call. You let your fans down with that play call. But most importantly you let Alex Smith down with that horrific playcall.

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I have not missed an Eagle home game in 43 years. the last 14 under Reid were the most hurt full get use to it.

You sir, are a fraud.

In the playoffs 9 out of 14 years.

7 Division Championships.

19 playoff games.

10 playoff wins.

1 Super Bowl appearance.

I lived in DC in the '80s and '90s back when the Scumskins used to beat the Iggles like redhead stepchildren. If the last 14 years were your most painful memories as an Iggles fan then you have a VERY SHORT MEMORY.

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Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan

You sir, are a fraud.

In the playoffs 9 out of 14 years.

7 Division Championships.

19 playoff games.

10 playoff wins.

1 Super Bowl appearance.

I lived in DC in the '80s and '90s back when the Scumskins used to beat the Iggles like redhead stepchildren. If the last 14 years were your most painful memories as an Iggles fan then you have a VERY SHORT MEMORY.

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I too was kind of taken aback by his statement. Granted, that Andy doesn't always make the right decisions & I won't say he's a better coach than Dick Vermeil, but he has brought at least some stability to the Chiefs coaching staff & helped engineer a 'much better than anyone expected' turnaround in 2013.

Then there is all those games getting us to 9-0 that we completely ate up the clock and time management looked great.

The real issue is the defense. Rivers would not have scored in 20 seconds had the defense gone to a prevent instead of staying in man to man and while we had Peyton in many 3rd and longs. We continued to put Cooper and our seconday on an island with no pass rush.

Well this was one thing Philly and NFL fans say is reid's down fall (passing too much, and clock management)

I'm sure that Reid has his weak points. And I'm sure I will see a few "WTF ANDY?" comments on here for as long as he is our coach. But is anyone on this board really going to complain too much if he does as well in KC as he did in Philly? I think not.

Let's say Reid is here 10 years. If his record were about the same as it was in Philly that would mean....

5 AFC West Championships in those 10 years.

In the playoffs 6 or 7 of those 10 years.

3 or 4 playoff wins

Perhaps one trip to the Super Bowl.

Would anybody here call that their most painful time as a Chiefs fan? I really doubt it.

Not saying I don't like Andy Reid. Just pointing out some questionable play calls and clock management the last few weeks. I'm an Andy Reid fan.

Coach......I wasn't "dissing" you. And Reid is NOT the second coming of Christ. He makes mistakes...lord knows I have made plenty......thank heavens I am not the Chiefs coach.....but Andy Reid is GOOD! IMO, better than just "good". He is a coach that just might maybe, possibly get us some playoff wins and even a shot at the big game. And as a long time Chiefs fan that is good enough for me. Just knowing we had a shot every year would be pretty special for me.

lets put the reasons for this loss out there, and I said "reasons" not blame.......5 dropped passes which would have resulted in 7 to 17pts or at least eaten up a lot more time, a pick instead of TD 7 more pts, no help from the safeties 21 pts, no Houston probably would have resulted in 2 less scoring drives....and of course that bad 4th down call. a banged up CHIEFS vs a heathly broncos. don't believe Denver is a better team, I think they are evenly matched w/the CHIEFS and mistakes determine the winner. the CHIEFS have made the most mistakes

Well, as much as I like Andy, it seems his brain is just not wired for time management. It's not a knock against his intelligence. I have a very smart friend with a PhD in Chemistry who cannot tell his left hand from his right. His brain is just not wired for that.

I think the Chiefs need to hire an assistant whose job is clock management and advising the HC in those crucial times in the game.

no one is mentioning that bowe was held horribly on that last plat just before the end zone!!!!!! no flag!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pro_Angler

no one is mentioning that bowe was held horribly on that last plat just before the end zone!!!!!! no flag!!!!!

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I like to believe that. Is there a video clip of that?

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Originally Posted by Frankenchief

Well, as much as I like Andy, it seems his brain is just not wired for time management. It's not a knock against his intelligence. I have a very smart friend with a PhD in Chemistry who cannot tell his left hand from his right. His brain is just not wired for that.

I think the Chiefs need to hire an assistant whose job is clock management and advising the HC in those crucial times in the game.

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That right there is a damned good idea. Like any coach, Reid has his weaknesses and hiring somebody to do nothing but think about the clock and give Reid advice on the subject would be REALLY SMART! I am a HUGE fan of Reid's, but there have been a couple of times when his clock decisions have left me saying HOLY SH!T!!!!! WHT was that all about???

^^Regarding time management, to me, the obvious question is why aren't the asst. coaches helping out more in this regard?

I don't know enough about how the coaching staff works to answer this question, but I suspect that Reid does not realize this is an area of weakness for him and so none of the assistants have been specifically tasked with thinking about clock management. Sometimes the hardest thing in the world is to realize what your weaknesses are. Especially if you are winning.