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I think he should be. Stallworth killed a man. Ricky Williams has had multiple bans and is still here. Pacman has had several.
I think it is only fair that he atleast gets one more chance.
I also think we should get him as a part of the TG trade. Get us something that could help us now, not in the next few years. :lol:
He he shows everyone that he has changed and does alot of community and charity work for the NFL then ya....but he still has to show he can play
......but PETA would be on the NFL's *** every day of the week if they let him play.
He'll end up in the U F L most likely this season.
Then if he doesn't look like total crap he will get to play in the NFL again I'm sure.
Here's the thing. I just don't care that he was fighting dogs. Bankolling gambling? I care a little bit. But not enough to support a ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by honda522
I'm not a vegetarian. My shoes are made of leather. I like rodeos and bullfights. I don't see dogs as any different than those animals.
The Chiefs shouldn't try for Vick. We just spent $60M on a franchise QB. Vick is a distraction and a glory hog. He also stinks on grass and in bad weather. He's also going to take a couple of years to get reconditioned to the NFL. Pass.
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Originally Posted by jmlamerson
I agree.
And I was joking about Vick here. I just felt like we should of had something THIS YEAR rather than in a few years to use.
I would never want Vick as a Chief - I could care less what other teams do, and I hope he is sorry for what he did. It is interesting, we just spent the last couple days on a cousins farm and we did eat their own beef - the major difference between those animals and how vick treated the dogs is they are healthy well fed and very well cared for. Dog fighters do not feed the dogs well, they are malnourished, kept in filthy cages and are mistreated to make them fight better. I would never view dogs (mans best friend) as livestock. I train them well and it has nothing to do with the peta idiots out there.
There is no proof that he did anything to the dogs. The only proof they have is him hosting the pools.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammietailgator
He was supporting the way they are treated. I am a dog trainer and you cannot tell me that in order to get the results these people want for the sake of wagers, that these dogs live in acceptable conditions.
Well thats what I was say, he supported it, but there is no proof of his physical involvment. He supported it financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammietailgator
I don't agree with what he did, but I believe he desveres a second chance.
He will play, likely end up with the Raiders, Al Davis likes players like him and we all know that tall lanky dude they have now is going to suck again this year.
Yeah the Raiders can have him! I will make sure I get tickets to that game!
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Originally Posted by honda522
No. He should not get a chance.
On Mike and Mike they asked the question....
If you, were to get convicted for that crime, would YOUR boss rehire you?
The answer for me is NO and HELL NO.
I think he should use his FREE college degree (if he actually got it) to his advantage...Maybe play some arena ball if they will have him.
Vick LIED all through the process and then once he was questioned about it, he STILL kept the dog fighting ring in tact!! He had 2 opportunities to come clean and stop but his EGO would not allow it.
I still remember the clip of him walking in an airport(?) when he said (adlibbing) "Everybody loves Mike Vick all over the world, no matter what!!"
No. NO. NO!
Stallworth should be banned from the NFL and Ricky Williams as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by honda522
All of them and others to follow have other options such as the CFL and Arena football.
No different than any of us, as an example: IF I was the CEO of a #1 rated company in the world and I got busted for this crime, do you think I would get another position with that company? Hell no.
They can find lesser jobs with lesser companies.
How many times you going to reply?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbolan
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Originally Posted by honda522
Does it matter?
I guess not, I just thought it was a little strange you replied twice with very similar answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbolan
I always thought Michael Sick was very overrated even before this dog thing.
Yeah eventually someone like the Raiders or Cowboys will probably pick him up. He'll never get a SB ring for anyone though, so they'll just be wasting their time anyway even if they don't care about the kind of guy he is.
Stallworth and Vick fall under your test. But Ricky Williams is another story. He didn't break any law. He failed a drug test for marijuana (failing a drug test isn't against the law - possession is). Your boss probably wouldn't fire you for such, and Williams got too much flack for the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbolan
He would make a good RB. For whatever reason they wanted him to play QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by IlovetheChiefs
He was a huge draw for the fans as a QB.
Plus they thought that eventually he would develop a pocket presence.
Just never happened, and probably won't now either.
We support humans beating the crap out of each other - whats the big deal with dogs?
I say let him play. I never did think he was any good as a qb anyway. Maybe jokeland will pick him up. Who cares?
I MAY not get fired the first time but for a repeated offense, such as Williams, YES. No doubt about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmlamerson
By saying that Williams did not break a law, that is merely a "play on words". He smoked the weed which is illegal and it is against the NFL's drug policy along with virtually every other company in this country!
He failed MULTIPLE drug tests and in my opinion after the 3rd or 4th time he should have been gone for GOOD!
So, what are you saying Lamerson?? That as long as none of these guys, or anyone else for that matter, get caught with the drugs in possession, they have not "technically" broken a law?
LMAO....You must be a Defense attorney.
You keep forgetting, Williams was never arrested for anything. So unless an employer is constantly drug testing his employees (very unlikely), people don't get fired for smoking pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbolan
If the police don't catch someone with drugs in their possession, they can't prosecute them for anything (assuming no DUI, public intoxication, etc.). For example, Ricky Williams could go somewhere dope is legal, smoke all he wants, and come back to the US high as a kite. And he wouldn't have broken any law.
I just can't see why people care whether Ricky Williams smoked pot. I would too if I had to work for Dave Wannstedt.
I kinda see your point as well but according to the NFL rules on drugs, they are not supposed to partake of illegal substances. So, even if he was in another country, he is violating the policy of his employer and has done so 4 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmlamerson
LOL on working for Wannstedt!
In my personal opinion, I could care less if people smoke weed BUT, it does have an effect on you physically due to inhalation of the smoke alone. The weed may not "enhance" production but I do believe it "hampers" production and in the case of an athlete, that is more or less, cheating your employer.
:D
I really see no problem with Vick playing again. He committed a crime, did his time in prison (quite well I hear), so let him play.
If Stallworth is going to play, then by all means Vick should be able to. IMO what Stallworth did is way worse than Vick.
Have you smoked pot to believe that it "hampers" production?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbolan
Yeah I was going to say also how it seemed like many games he would actually throw for less yards than he ran (like about 100 of each). Donovan McNabb likewise always seemed like more of a RB than a QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by honda522
I'm all for bringing Vick back!! There are worse players in the league as far as I look at it!
I hope a Rotty bites him - I wont say where
Plus he sucks as a QB.... He is not a pocket QB star - he is not who teams are looking for!~
It's ok tammie, you can say crotch. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tammietailgator
Once forgiven twice forgotten
You get the the gist of it.
:lol::lol: i agree, but I think he would make a great back.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammietailgator
If Leonard Little got to play again, after a involuntary manslaughter charge, i don't see why vick can't???