As the year goes on and the team needs become more apparent and the college talent begins to sort itself out, we can update this thread to our liking.
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As the year goes on and the team needs become more apparent and the college talent begins to sort itself out, we can update this thread to our liking.
The Chiefs, Browns, Lions, and Rams look like they're gonna be fighting it out for the top 4 spots. You might even throw the Raiders in there to round out the top 5.
The Chiefs are 0-4 and have been outscored 112-64 by opponents with a combined record of 10-5. Third toughest schedule thus far out of these 5. Chiefs have 3 winnable games left with the Redskins, Raiders, and Browns left to play. Realistically, I think they'll lose two of those three. I just haven't seen enough offense to think they could compete with the Redskins and Browns. They MIGHT be able to repeat their performance against the Raiders and actually WIN this time... the problem is that its IN Oakland. Final record of 1-15.
The Browns are 0-4 have been outscored 118-49 by opponents with a combined record of 13-2. Toughest schedule thus far out of these 5. The Browns have 3 winnable games left with the Chiefs, Raiders, and Lions left to play. I think they'll win 2 of those 3. They don't have enough to beat the Lions. Final record of 2-14.
The Rams are 0-4 and have been outscored 108-24 by opponents with a combined record of 8-7. Tied for easiest schedule thus far of these 5. The Rams have 3 winnable games left on their schedule against the Lions, Seahawks, and 49ers. I honestly can't see the Rams winning any of these games. They're going to upset somebody to win at least one game this year. Final record of 1-15.
The Lions are 1-3 and have been outscored 134-83 by opponents with a combined record of 12-3. 2nd toughest schedule thus far out of these 5. The Lions have 4 winnable games left on their schedule against the Rams, Seahawks, Browns, and 49ers. I think they'll win 3 of those 4. They fall to the 49ers. Final record of 4-12.
The Raiders are 1-3 and have been outscored 86-42 by opponents with a combined record of 8-7. Tied for easiest schedule thus far of these 5. The Raiders have 3 winnable games left on their roster against the Chiefs, Redskins, and Browns. I think they'll lose 2 of those three and finish 2-14.
Draft order:
Rams (easier schedule)
Chiefs
Raiders
Browns
Lions
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So, there we are. Sitting at #2. Here's my first group of players to look at for the first 3 rounds. (Players available according to Scout.com)
1st round-
Russell Okung- OT, Ok. St. If we're going to build this team around Matt Cassel, we need to protect him. Bottomline. Drafting Branden Albert was a good start, but lets continue. Draft and sign as many great OL players as possible, then figure out where to put those players and in what combination they work best. (will be available due to the Rams' drafting of Jason Smith in 09.
Taylor Mays- S, USC- Widely considered the best defensive player in the country and the best safety to come out since Sean Taylor. There's reason for and against this pick. Both sides are pretty obvious. Still, he's a defensive play-maker that we just don't have right now.
NT- There are three interchangeable NTs available in this draft. Gerald McCoy of OU, Terrance Cody of Alabama, and Ndamukong Suh of Nebraska. I think Tank is doing fine at NT, but he's no Casey Hampton.
2nd round-
Germaine Gresham- TE, OU The best TE in this draft will be coming off a senior season in which he did not participate due to injury. He will probably still be on the board after the first round. This offense utilized the TE and it's essential to have a great one... not a Leonard Pope. Scout has him in the first, but he's gonna fall due to injury.
2nd pick round 2-
Sergio Kendell-OLB/DE, Texas (See Eric Norwood)
George Selvie-OLB/DE, South FL. (See Eric Norwood)
Offensive Line
Mike Johnson-G, Alabama
Mitch Petrus-G, Arkansas
Kyle Calloway-OT, Iowa
Bruce Campbell-OT, Maryland
3rd round-
Ciron Black-OT, LSU he Chiefs continue to build their O-line and protect their Cassel investment.
Matt Tenant-C, BC (see above)
Jon Jerry-G, Ole Miss (see above)
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Of course, without knowing what we do during this impending un-capped free agency this winter, my four round mock TODAY is:
1 (2)- Russell Okung, OT- This is a tough decision because we've made Albert lose a ton of weight and have made him focus on technique instead of just going out and playing on his raw ability like he did his rookie season. He's had to adjust to his loss of weight and is basically going through a second rookie season and 3rd offensive system in less than one full year. So, it's hard to say if he's a true franchise LT. But, like I said above, we've invested a lot in Matt Cassel and need to give him the best chance to succeed. That "best chance" involves moving the versatile Albert inside to play guard while taking the best value in a TRUE franchise LT at #2.
2 (34)- Germaine Gresham, TE- Again, continue building the OL and giving Matt Cassel the best chance to succeed by giving him a great TE who can block and give him a great go-to target on 3rd down and in the red-zone.
2 (50's)- Bruce Campbell, OT- This pick is assuming O'Callghan doesn't claim the RT job during the remainder of the season. Other wise, this pick would be the best WR available, which we'll say is going to be Arrelious Benn from Illinois for the sake of putting a name to it.
3 (66)- Eric Norwood, OLB/DE- A nasty-fast pass rusher that would be our version of Shawn Merriman in the 3-4. He would allow Hali or Vrabel to move inside and thus completing the LB corp for 2010 or at least until Vrabel becomes obsolete.
4 (97)- Myron Rolle, SS- Probably the smartest player in the draft. Awarded the Rhodes scholarship, he's not playing in 2009 due to his attendance at Oxford. He announced in Jan. that he'd be entering the draft in 2010. Pioli wants smart players...
4 (112) The Tyler Thigpen trade becomes a boon for the Chiefs as he delivers in a big way in Miami and nets the Chiefs a 5th round pick. Pioli then trades his first 5th round pick to get back into the 4th round.
LeGarrette Blount, RB- A gamble on a low-character guy in hopes that he learned his lesson. I think it shows to his humbleness, acceptance, and maturity that he's accepting the punishment given to him by Oregon and not transferring to a D-II school just to play. If he had a good season, not necessarily great, but just a good season at Oregon, he probably would've gone in the first round, if not been the first RB taken. LJ could very well be gone after this season and we're going to need a REAL RB back there to take over. I think it's worth the risk and the low-cost 4th round contract if it doesn't work out.
Assuming we don't find starters in FA or later in the draft, the O-line looks like this:
LT-Okung
LG-Waters
C-Goff
RG-Albert
RT-O'Callghan/Campbell
I'd consider moving Waters to the right side so that Albert and Okung could develop together and lock down that blind side for the next decade while letting our best O-lineman help out the young RT.
Front defensive 7 are:
DE-Jackson, Dorsey
NT-Tank
OLB-Hali, Norwood
ILB-DJ, Vrabel
I would like to see them upgrade or at least add some depth at the corner position. someone like joe haden(florida), Javier Arenas(alabama) or stephan virgil(vtech)
I like Arenas. I've seen him play a few times. I just think Carr is good enough to be a #2 corner. You don't need two top tier CBs like Flowers.
Just a tidbit, the 49ers are definitely not winnable for the Rams. They look for real to me.
Good post!!! Okung is the top rated OT. Suh is the number 1 player on many draft boards and Mays at 6'3 and 238 is going to be one hell of a OLB in a 3-4 defense.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Okung needs to be our 1st pick next year. I'd also LOVE to pick up Kindle in the 2nd if he's there. He'd be great opposite Hali and would improve our pass rush immediately.
Ideally I'd also want to pick up a center either in the draft or free agency. Goff kind of sucks.
Suh is too small to play NT and I'm not a big fan of Cody's work ethic. I think we should either stick with Tank or look elsewhere.
I think Okung needs to be the pick for the same reason I thought a LT should've been the pick in 2009. No other player represented the greatest value at that pick. Aaron Curry is doing his best to prove me wrong, however. But Scott Pioli showed he gives less of crap about value than probably any other GM in the league when he took TJ at #3 this past draft.
I'm a big Longhorn fan. I think we could find a comparable player to Kindle later in the draft. I think he's getting attention because he plays for Texas and has the task of filling in for Orakpo. I think Gresham would have to be the pick if he's still on the board in the 2nd.
I'm a big fan of Eric Berry. I see him as the next Ed Reed making crazy interceptions all over the place for big returns. I'd love to have a guy like that on our team also, but yeah, nothing would make us better than having a stud LT and being able to move Albert inside.
I just have this feeling that if Haley is still the head coach, that Pioli is gonna go all Al Davis on us and draft a WR.
I don't follow college football, but I'd be tempted to draft OL with our first three picks
We just picked up a 5th rounder for Thigpen (as expected by most of us)
Mort: Chiefs' Compensation in Thigpen Trade Is a 5th Round*Pick - Arrowhead Pride
In my opinion our 3 1st and 2nd round picks in the draft should be a Safety, Left Tackle, and pass rusher DE/OLB. I think our line is a big time draft pick, free agent signing, and some shifting around (and better blocking schemes) away from being a million times better. Obviously I wouldn't hesitate to use more picks on the OL later on, but I would use the first 3 picks on these positions.
At this point I go one of two routes:
A.
S - Eric Berry
DE/OLB - Sergio Kindle/Eric Norwood/Greg Hardy
OT - Ciron Black
B.
OT - Russell Okung
DE/OLB - Sergio Kindle/Eric Norwood/Greg Hardy
S - Chad Jones or Myron Rolle maybe?
I agree those 3 positions are needed.
We need O linemen for sure, but we also need someone to take the place of Vrabel and Brown, these guys are just stop gaps, and might not be here next year.
High on my wishlist is also a Center and a deep threat WR.
So my list would look something like this.
1.: OT
2.: OLB / WR / C
2.: WR / C / OLB
3.: S
4.: G
The two 2nd rounders: Ideally I would take the best players available with the 3 positions i mentioned.
I'm going to have to agree with the folks saying that our #1 should be Russell Okung. Just reading up on the kid, this looks like it could pay some dividends.
We need to start getting some weapons to win the trench war.
jb
I think this has been posted too early.
As bad as we need Okung and to fill the rest of the ol, Taylor Mays would definetly fill a need and he's a helluva player. I'd have to take him...
I'd probably take Benn with our 2nd.
The rest of the draft and FA I'd fill the ol/rb/lb spots.
Some may say I got this assbackwards. But man we got so many needs - same as the last couple drafts...
My week 6 mock:
1-Russell Okung LT
2-Germaine Gresham TE
2-George Selvie OLB/DE
3-Matt Tenant C
4-Myron Rolle SS
5-LeGarret Blount RB
5-Brandon Carter OG
Blount's a little scary but a good player to take a flyer on and Selvie's been a huge disappoint since his sophomore year, but I like it other than that. I'm more of an Eric Norwood guy myself. Also Jerry Hughes for TCU is a sack monster, though in a lesser conference.
BTW, did you see the player comparison on this site for Gresham?
WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Jermaine Gresham
Can't go wrong with that.
yeah, I'm a huge UT fan and it kills me to say it, but he's a great TE prospect as long as his injuries aren't chronic.
Selvie reminds me of Jevon Kearse. He's just a freak of an athlete.
I wouldn't take Blount any higher than the third round. Apparently he's coming back and playing again this season, so I wonder if he'll even be available in the third. But personally, I think he's too big of a character risk to take higher than in the third round. If he's available in the 5th, I think it's a no-brainer.
i want nothing to do with blount... I'm from Boise and watched the events... The fact that police officers grabbing him, his coaches and teammates grabbing him and also punching a teammate and he just would not stop. No way i want him on this team.
Let's not forget Brown who is on the mysterious IR. They were playing him at guard during camp. I'm hoping he can take Goffs spot. One tackle and a center could be a complete make over.
1. Taylor Mays - S
I think we will win another 4 games or more this year and don't think Okung or Berry will be on the board..
2. Anthony Davis - OT
2. Mike Iupati - OG
3. Micah Johnson - ILB
Mark Ingram or Julio Jones
With a late 2nd or a 3rd round choice I'd definitely roll my dice on Anthony McCoy from USC he reminds me of a cross between Antonio Gates/Shannon Sharpe except bigger and more athletic in space.
or
Tony Moeaki from Iowa. He’s a massive specimen of a man and is a well established blocker with the ability to split the seam and make plays down field if asked to.
So if I had to go 1,2,2,3
1 - Eric Berry/Taylor Mays - FS/SS (we need a home run play maker on defense with this pick)
2 - Cirion Black - LT (we need to solidify our O-Line)
2 - Anthony McCoy - TE (we need a reliable big man down field as well as dependable blocker in the run game)
3 - Matt Tenant - C (we need a TRUE captain of the O-Line directing traffic)
As for everything else...
4 - Josh Byrnes - ILB (fills the need for a complete ILB)
5 - Aaron Morgan - OLB/DE (a raw/violent pass rusher from a small school that could turn into a real gem)
5 - Vladimir Ducasse - OG (depth selection with the possibility to push for a starting roll his first year)
im wth you on the TE from USC....that guy looks like he is going to be ridiculous, i would love to have him on my team, especially for a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick...
So here's another wrench for your monkey... Do you see Pioli packaging together say one of our 2nd's, one of our 5ths and say another low round pick for a second 1st rounder or something? I don't know the correct number of picks needed for another 1st but it wouldn't suprize me if there is a player that they want that's still on the board late in the 1st round.
I would LOVE to see Okung (LT) and (Gresham) TE on our team. It would immediately solidify the line even more and give us Gonzo-like hands on a TE again. Before anyone crucifies me I did say "like" for his hands. I'll also throw out there that I want to take a microscopic look at this guys knee to see there's not lasting damage.
We spent a huge chunk of last years draft on defense and I think this year we need to turn around and do the same thing on the offense. Let's give Cassel some protection and someone to throw at!
I'd rather have a WR than a TE tbh..
I'd rather have Eric Mays and the best LT available.