Why I'm so defensive of our QBS

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10-30-2012, 01:56 PM
matthewschiefs

Why I'm so defensive of our QBS

As many have noted on here I have been one of if not the most vocal defenders of the QBs on this team. Whether that be Cassel or Quinn I have defended them all season long. I can now point to an example as to why that's the case.

Last night Alex Smith of the 49ers played OUTSTANDING. He only missed 1 pass the whole game. A few seasons ago Smith was in the same seat that Matt Cassel has been in over the course of his time in KC. But that's changed a lot over the last 2 seasons. What happened. He got a good HEAD COACH.

This is not a team that is just lacking good play out of the QB. Our Wrs have not played to the level they can. Our O line hasn't been great. Our guys are tipping passes to the defenders. Many talk about how the passes are not great. And the most common thing is overthrows. Well I can say I have watched many other NFL games. The same throws are being made by other QBs around the NFL. There guys have to go up and get the ball. NONE of them have tipped the ball to the defenders as often as our guys have. WHY Is that? We have some good WRS. Bowe is one of the most talented in the NFL. Baldwin has shown promise at times looked lost at others. They don't suck. They are the victim of the same thing our QBs have been the victim of. HORRIBLE COACHING.

A good head coach and good coaching staff can go a long way for the players. We saw Matt Cassel play well with a great head coach in New England. He hasn't had that in KC. And Cassel is not a great enough player to overcome poor coaching. He needs it.

This team is suffering from a lot of things. Poor Qb play is on that list. But the biggest thing they are suffering from is a BAD head coach and a bad coaching staff. Nothing is going to get better in KC until that changes. Many want a 1st pick to get a Great college QB. Well unless we get change in coaching that QB isn't going to be able to do much better then what we see the current guys doing. Alex Smith shows just how far a good head coach can take a player. We haven't seen that since Dick Vermil. It's not in KC now. If the Chiefs are ever going to be a winner again they HAVE to find a real head coach. That's where it starts. Get a real head coach and then work on the other problems but it starts with the coaching staff.
10-30-2012, 03:20 PM
Hayvern

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

As many have noted on here I have been one of if not the most vocal defenders of the QBs on this team. Whether that be Cassel or Quinn I have defended them all season long. I can now point to an example as to why that's the case.

Last night Alex Smith of the 49ers played OUTSTANDING. He only missed 1 pass the whole game. A few seasons ago Smith was in the same seat that Matt Cassel has been in over the course of his time in KC. But that's changed a lot over the last 2 seasons. What happened. He got a good HEAD COACH.

This is not a team that is just lacking good play out of the QB. Our Wrs have not played to the level they can. Our O line hasn't been great. Our guys are tipping passes to the defenders. Many talk about how the passes are not great. And the most common thing is overthrows. Well I can say I have watched many other NFL games. The same throws are being made by other QBs around the NFL. There guys have to go up and get the ball. NONE of them have tipped the ball to the defenders as often as our guys have. WHY Is that? We have some good WRS. Bowe is one of the most talented in the NFL. Baldwin has shown promise at times looked lost at others. They don't suck. They are the victim of the same thing our QBs have been the victim of. HORRIBLE COACHING.

A good head coach and good coaching staff can go a long way for the players. We saw Matt Cassel play well with a great head coach in New England. He hasn't had that in KC. And Cassel is not a great enough player to overcome poor coaching. He needs it.

This team is suffering from a lot of things. Poor Qb play is on that list. But the biggest thing they are suffering from is a BAD head coach and a bad coaching staff. Nothing is going to get better in KC until that changes. Many want a 1st pick to get a Great college QB. Well unless we get change in coaching that QB isn't going to be able to do much better then what we see the current guys doing. Alex Smith shows just how far a good head coach can take a player. We haven't seen that since Dick Vermil. It's not in KC now. If the Chiefs are ever going to be a winner again they HAVE to find a real head coach. That's where it starts. Get a real head coach and then work on the other problems but it starts with the coaching staff.

That is what I have been saying too, though I do believe the QB play has not been good though. For the team, the head coach is the most important thing. I think we are seeing that in spades this year.
10-30-2012, 03:31 PM
chiefnut

I believe we need both!!!
10-30-2012, 04:39 PM
H-townChiefsFan

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

Last night Alex Smith of the 49ers played OUTSTANDING. He only missed 1 pass the whole game. A few seasons ago Smith was in the same seat that Matt Cassel has been in over the course of his time in KC. But that's changed a lot over the last 2 seasons. What happened. He got a good HEAD COACH.

I disagree, Smith was a skilled college player who was a high 1st rd draft pick. Cassel is neither, Cassel couldnt even get on the field in college. Smith took a little longer to progress through the stages to become a good QB, not just because he got a good HC. I still dont think he is great...but you know what he doesnt do? Turn the ball over. Cassel does, ALOT. A bad QB that turns the ball over is a recipe for disaster, and we are all eating that steaming pile of feces that is the result.
10-30-2012, 05:43 PM
AkChief49

The fact that Harbaugh played the position(as a pro) does not hurt Alex Smith either.
10-30-2012, 05:53 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by H-townChiefsFan

I disagree, Smith was a skilled college player who was a high 1st rd draft pick. Cassel is neither, Cassel couldnt even get on the field in college. Smith took a little longer to progress through the stages to become a good QB, not just because he got a good HC. I still dont think he is great...but you know what he doesnt do? Turn the ball over. Cassel does, ALOT. A bad QB that turns the ball over is a recipe for disaster, and we are all eating that steaming pile of feces that is the result.

I'm not saying they are similar players I'm saying there situations are not all that different in the NFL. I think we can say that Smith was hurt by bad coaching. Give him a good coach and he improved. He led his team to the NFC title game a year ago. I think Cassel has been hurt by poor coaching. That's why I will and have never agreed with anyone who said that we need a "real qb". Poor coaching can really have a bad effect on a QB. We see with Smith a QB that can be considered a total bust can still have a good run in the NFL given the right head coach. We could use both a QB and a coach I would agree. But changing just 1 wouldn't make all that much of a difference. That's why I have defended our QBs. They are being hurt by the coaching staff or lack there of one. Smith is just a good example of how much a coach can make a difference in a player IMO
10-30-2012, 06:07 PM
#58ChiefsFan

Id be ok with Zorn taking a walk after the end of the season with Jim Bob, Sirianni, Daboll, and Crennel.

Can anyone show me how Jim has made any of the QB's on this team better since he got here? Maybe its a blind rage but I can't see where he has helped.
10-30-2012, 07:58 PM
kcnation

all the coaches have to go,its a clean house time.we might as well ride out CASSEL til his contract ends and by then maybe there will be a good QB to draft.this year there are no good ones to draft,they are all bums.pioli has to go also,all he did was bring in NE players with no talent
10-30-2012, 08:40 PM
KristofLaw

I see where you are coming from but I think the problem is leadership and injuries. Injuries have been a huge problem for us for years now for whatever reason and we have a team full of captains so why the leadership problem... coaching I guess could be the answer, who knows..

The reason I'm posting in this thread is to mention the 49ers defence. They are near the top of the league, they have a killer special teams game too and on the ball they have leadership from Gore. We need a leader, Matt could have been that and heck, even still can but I sincerely doubt that now. I thought our defense was gonna be killer but the turnovers have taken care of that.

That's another thing we need, turnovers... and to lead a game which we haven't done yet as well. :(
10-30-2012, 10:29 PM
Subversion

I can agree with you matthewschiefs if the blame was being placed solely on qb play, but it's not. Yes, a lot of threads and comments have been made just to hate on Matt Cassel and deservedly so. Most of the fan base as I can tell is now looking at the entire situation.

There are complaints being made about the top of the organization to the bottom. With all the bad vibes I would think that someone has to be ran out of town...soon.

Yes, we haven't had a good coach since Vermeil was here. We have had some good coordinators fill in as HC but it just doesn't work. I don't believe that any coach can make the Chiefs a contender in a pass driven league with Matt Cassel at the helm. To compare a first round picks recent success to the caliber of Matt Cassel isn't reasonable. Alex Smith has far superior arm strength, accuracy, decision making, and athleticism than Matt Cassel. I do understand what you are trying to say but I don't believe it applies to this situation.
10-30-2012, 11:29 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by Subversion;270219I

can agree with you matthewschiefs if the blame was being placed solely on qb play, but it's not. Yes, a lot of threads and comments have been made just to hate on Matt Cassel and deservedly so. Most of the fan base as I can tell is now looking at the entire situation.

There are complaints being made about the top of the organization to the bottom. With all the bad vibes I would think that someone has to be ran out of town...soon.

Yes, we haven't had a good coach since Vermeil was here. We have had some good coordinators fill in as HC but it just doesn't work. I don't believe that any coach can make the Chiefs a contender in a pass driven league with Matt Cassel at the helm. To compare a first round picks recent success to the caliber of Matt Cassel isn't reasonable. Alex Smith has far superior arm strength, accuracy, decision making, and athleticism than Matt Cassel. I do understand what you are trying to say but I don't believe it applies to this situation.

There is a group that has placed blame on the QBs alone. I have read that if we had Joe Flacco we would be a winning team. Amoung many other post saying how much better this team would be if "we had a real QB" to which I have defended the QBs time and time again and will keep doing so.

I am not saying that a great head coach will make Matt Cassel suddenly a great QB. But I think he would play much better if he had a proven head coach. I mention Alex smith not because I think there on the same talent level they are not. But Smith was much like Cassel bashed by his fan base. Niners fans wanted him gone as well. Given a good head coach he started to play more to his talent level. Cassel hasn't played to his talent level. A proven head coach could help him do so. That's why I defend him. Do I want him to be the long term guy. No I don't I want a guy who can carry the team. But would I be opposed to seeing him with a real head coach no I wouldn't.

And that's not just with the QB there are a number of guys who are not playing up to there talent level on this team. They are suffering from poor head coaching and a poor coaching staff. I use the niners as an example of that as well. A couple of years ago we deystroyed them at Arrowhead and they had a horrible year. They got a good head coach and last year they went to the NFC title game. The niners are proof of how much a head coach can make a difference that's my biggest point here.
10-30-2012, 11:58 PM
2010chiefs

This team as a whole would be better with a proven head coach. Doesn't mean we turn into a playoff team and definitley doesn't mean Cassel turns into a Super Bowl QB or playoff QB. He doesn't have the skills nor the accuracy. He doesn't even have the confidence anymore. Your saying if we had a new coaching staff, you would be fine with Cassel at QB again.
NOT ME. HELL NO! How many Coaches does it take before you realize Cassell is not good enough. Not all his fault but he's also not a good QB.
10-31-2012, 09:07 AM
Isawa_mo

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Originally Posted by kcnation

all the coaches have to go,its a clean house time.we might as well ride out CASSEL til his contract ends and by then maybe there will be a good QB to draft.this year there are no good ones to draft,they are all bums.pioli has to go also,all he did was bring in NE players with no talent

I am willing to bet some of the QBs in the coming class will pan out and be good NFL players. Not all classes are going to have Luck and RG3. QBs like Flacco, Ryan, Stafford and Schaub are all examples to varying degrees. This coming class really reminds me of the one Stafford came out of.
10-31-2012, 11:29 AM
LlamaNinja

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Originally Posted by Isawa_mo

I am willing to bet some of the QBs in the coming class will pan out and be good NFL players. Not all classes are going to have Luck and RG3. QBs like Flacco, Ryan, Stafford and Schaub are all examples to varying degrees. This coming class really reminds me of the one Stafford came out of.

Also you cant really judge the class till AFTER they are in the NFL. We dont know if Weeden or Wilson or any of the other QBs will look down the road. Bradford was suppose to do so much for the Rams... and they still havent turned it around.
10-31-2012, 12:51 PM
doobs_05

Alex smith also has a Defense that doesn't allow blow outs
10-31-2012, 01:38 PM
LargoChief

Doobs, I agree and still love your pic!!
10-31-2012, 06:09 PM
Bike

Bad QB'S ARE BAD QB's - whether surrounded by a great team or by a bad team.