I just read on another board that ESPN is reporting that the Chiefs are shopping Thigpen for a third round pick and Jacksonville is offering a 5th round pick
http://forums.delphiforums.com/kcchi...es/?msg=2217.1
Anyone else know anything?
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I just read on another board that ESPN is reporting that the Chiefs are shopping Thigpen for a third round pick and Jacksonville is offering a 5th round pick
http://forums.delphiforums.com/kcchi...es/?msg=2217.1
Anyone else know anything?
If we trade Thigpen for a 4th to Jacksonville (the probable compromise), it would be a pretty good deal for us and for Thigpen. He's in a contract year and clearly doesn't fit the Chiefs' new offensive philosophy. And Thigpen will get a chance to start in 2009 after Garrard inevitably goes down.
I'll be sad to see him go, but like Tony G., it works out best for both sides in the long run.
He really seems to have overachieved last season. I think this shows how good of an offensive coordinator Chan Gailey is, switching to the pistol spread to accommodate and turning him into a 20 TD QB. I'm a fan of Thigpen and what he did last year, but without Tony G or an offense built around his strengths and weaknesses, I don't think I can see him succeeding.
I'm not really sure why Jacksonville is so actively pursuing a backup QB. They must see a lot of Garrard in Thigpen.
I would absoultely hate this move but then again it's not my call. Here's my reasoning... 1) Cassell still has an ineffective line that couldn't stop molasses and even if we do get better it's a new line that needs to gel. 2) Cassell while I like him still hasn't proved himself to me. 3) God forbid but if Cassell goes down it's up to Broken...I mean Brodie Croyle. This is a guy who had the starting job after looking fantastic all pre-season and then couldn't stay in a game more than three quarters all year! Who steps up after that?
maybe trade him for a o-lineman? if not get a 3rd.
A 4th would be nice a 3rd even better. Then maybe we can address the oline this next draft.1- 1st. 2- 2nd's. 2-3rd's. plenty of quality in these rounds. maybe trade the 1st for a swap and then another 2nd or 3rd. parlay.
dammit we need thig. brodie will break
Its official
as in they are shopping him...nothing is done yet
This would be an excellent move. Its probably the reason the Chiefs are moving Thigpen up the depth chart as well, to make him look more appealing to other teams before they try and move him to raise the asking price (sort of what people are speculating the Broncos are doing with Marshal)
Considering what we've seen this offseason if we were able to recoup a mid round pick for the pick we sacrificed for Alleman and Ndukwe we'd basically have gotten them for pennies on the dollar. The 2010 draft class is chalk full of talent so I'd have no problem dealing Thigpen for a mid round pick.
I like Thigpen as much as the next guy but as a QB there are better options avalible then a wildcat slash scrambler to lead this team to some wins. Its within the best interest of both teams and Thigpen if he were to get traded to Jacksonville to secure his future then to possibly be cut from our team.
Don't they have 2nd round pick, Eben Britton, riding the bench? I say we trade Thiggy and A a 4th for Eben Britton. (RT)
Can't explain why really, but I just have a bad feeling about letting Thigpen go. Hope it's a wrong feeling. :(
I agree, but what do you do with him? It sucks because he is a playmaker, and playmakers are hard to let go of. But he is our third string QB, so even if they wanted to use him for goal line trick plays he would have to be listed as a WR game day because you are not allowed to play your 3rd string QB. And he is just not a pocket drop back QB. It makes way more sense to release him to another team and get a future player out of the deal. Especially when you have Pioli who has shown some genius when it comes to gettting late round talent out of the draft.
Yeah, I love Thigpen, and I still think no QB in the NFL could have done better last season behind that OL, but he's going nowhere on this team. Haley/Pioli want big, accurate QBs. Thigpen has many virtues, but he's small and scattershot. He'll do well in Jacksonville with their pounding running game and tall WRs.
He'll be missed, but It's better to trade him now for something than to lose him in 2010 for nothing.
I think this is a terrible move. Who is going to be our quarterback when Cassel proves ineffective and Croyle is hurt for the third year in a row? I love Thigpen and think he could have been a great quarterback for KC.
I think with a player who's as talented as Thigpen is you can find ways to use him and get him on the football field even if he's not your starter. I think Thigpen is a player who can help us win games and can contribute to our offense. He's certainly much more proven and durable than Brodie Croyle and should at least be our backup for this season. If we can get a 3rd rounder for him than we should reluctantly make the trade, but we shouldn't do it for anything less. Cassel and Croyle are unproven and our O-line is one of the weaker O-lines in the league. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we needed Thigpen to start for us at some point in the season.
Dosent matter, by then LJ will have quit the team, Charles will move to Russia, DBowe will have a terrible year, the defense will lose their shoes and not be able to play on grass. There would be no one left for Thig to play with anyways!! Feel free to discuss things that are factual but don't sit here and badmouth players. Way to support your team!! :sign0098:
Love Love Love Love trading Thigpen, I have been saying it will happen all offseason, in fact its in my predictions next to Succop beats out barth from the day after draft day.
Now, thiggy wouldnt be a UFA anyway, and we would have rights, but, his value has peaked, and KC can either move him now, or hope he performs this weekend and increases his value by actually playing well under center.
The media loves him due to fantasy football, which is huge, it will increase his value quite a bit other teams will become interested....hes a great athlete, I just dont see the accuracy, having Bowe/Gonzo as two of the top 5 targets in the NFL...pretty sad at 54 percent and pretty sad 28 qb rating under center.
Chiefs, get a pick, take a 4 as a compromise, and move on....considering he cost us nothing, gave us a year at QB where we werent convinced that he was a star. And now get a 4th? that would rock...already down a 6 and 7 to miami
Our o-line is patchwork at best. So when Cassell gets hurt, our season will rest in the hands of Brodie Croyle. Been there, done that. No thanks. This team isn't in a position to trade away good players for future draft picks. If they trade him, it had better be for a plyer that can protect our Big $$ QB starting week 1.
To all the f**kin' geniuses who keep saying WHEN Cassel gets hurt, what do we do WHEN Thigpen gets hurt? Or is this just one of those things where you want to get Thig in there, win another 2 games and have a whole offseason of I told ya so's?? What reason does anyone have for saying WHEN Cassel gets hurt, and why does it not apply to Thigpen?
The amount of whining here amazes me. We trade for a QB who won eleven games last season and everyone is complaining because we might trade the short, inaccurate backup who won one. This after everyone was all on board trading our Pro Bowl DE for picks in 2008.
Thigpen is a QB with a lot of virtues. He's tough and can scramble. He's a good backup who could be an adequate starter for a lot of teams. Not his one, though.
Anyone thinking that Thigpen has the physical skills or football smarts to lead a team to this playoffs didn't watch enough Chiefs games last season.
Lots of people are ready to trade Thigpen for a 4th round pick, so I thought it would be interesting to see how many of our 4th rounds picks have turned out to be decent. I would much rather get a starting offensive lineman than a 4th round pick.
Chiefs former 4th round picks:
2009: Donald Washington
2008: Will Franklin
2005: Craphonso Thorpe
2004: Samie Parker, Jared Allen
2003: Brett Williams
2002: Omar Easy
2001: Monty Beisel, George Layne
2000: Frank Moreau
1999: Larry Parker
1998: Greg Favors
1997: Pat Barnes
1996: Donnie Edwards
1995: Steve Stenstrom
1994: Bracey Walker
1993: Jaime Fields
1992: Mike Evans
1990: Fred Jones
Out of those 19 picks, only 2 turned out to be good long-term players(Edwards and Allen). If they trade Thigpen, I would much prefer it to be for a starting offensive lineman.
Subtract the Wahington pick, the result is the same. 4th round picks aren't a gimme pick. They are a crap shoot at best, regardless of the GM. I would rather have a proven commodity, preferably an o-lineman(our biggest team need), in exchange for what I consider to be a proven backup QB.
I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand I have no faith in Croyle should Cassel get hurt. At least Thigpen was durable and he could make a few plays. Also, last year was the first starting time Thigpen has had, he was basically a rookie out there and did pretty well. He will probably only get better.
On the other hand if we could get a third for him then that would be great to continue building the team with. Also with Cassels big dollar contract he will never get a chance to start here (unless it's because of injury)and I could definately see him starting elsewhere in the future. So it could be good for him as well as the Chiefs.
If he gets traded then I wish him luck. I can definately see him getting better and starting somewhere.