Can somebody please find a positive spin to put on this? I'm not too happy right now. :(
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Can somebody please find a positive spin to put on this? I'm not too happy right now. :(
I am trying to be positive we can still go after a wr or cb
What do you want to hear? Everyone that we have lost with exception to maybe Schwartz was a liability at their position and was way over paid. Are you wanting us to over spend on othe players that we don't have the cap money for.
Brandon Albert can't finish a season from some sort of different injury every year and seems to be on the ground hurt at least once a game. I can't recall many games where Albert was not on the ground for at least one play. Do you really want that one average LT tying up 10% of your salary cap when you require a back up.
Tyson Jackson should have been cut outright a couple years ago but givin his draft status was given chance after chance and all he proved out to be was a serviceable player that made some good plays, but was easily blocked on most.
Big Jon. I was very high on him when we drafted him and loved what I saw from his rookie year but he regressed each year becoming a liability up the middle. He did not look very fluid or mobile which often got him beat in stunts. He was not missed at all in the San Diego game when the back ups played but that is where Schwarz will be missed however. The guard is one position I am concerned with replacing.
McCluster - Other than kick returns his position as a Receiver would never warrant the contrat TN gave him. And believe it or not, our return production did not decrease when McCluster was not back there. He does have play making abilities but also goes down very easy while others get extra yards after contact.
G. Schwartz was signed for like 600K last year which was a great signing. There will be another low risk type of guy we can sign for depth. I have a feeling the Chiefs may think they have that guy already on the roster.
The only issue I have with us losing players, is not the quality of the player. I could care about losing any of these guys. It is the Quantity and team chemistry I am worried about. We have to find depth somewhere.
It has been a tough 24 hours for Chiefs fans. I personally didn't think we should spend $9mm/yr on a left tackle(Albert) when we drafted one with the 1st overall pick last year. Asamoah was hot/cold during his time here so I understand letting him walk as well. While I really liked Dexter, it would have been very tough to keep him on this team because of the salary cap situation we are in. The loss of Tyson Jackson hurts but he can be replaced for less money. That leaves Schwartz. I really wish we would have found a way to keep him but again it was a salary cap restraint.
We have a ton of big money contracts in this team(Bowe, Charles, flowers, Hali, Johnson, etc). There were going to cap casualties. We need Dorsey to draft well this year and especially next.
We are expected to get as many as 4 compensatory picks in 2015 as a result of these 5 free agent losses. This will allow us a lot maneuvering in next years draft and potentially this one. I hope we get another good cb and safety early in the draft. This is supposed to very deep draft for wr's so we may be able to get something decent in the 3rd or 4th round. Sign another DE in free agency to replace Tyson Jackson. Stephenson will step into a starting role this year at right tackle.
Things aren't so bleak. Change is inevitable. We lost guys that wanted huge money. They weren't going to get it in KC so they had to move on.
Next man up.
I get what you people are saying, but there arent any player in this FA that is a good fit for us?
And about the donks, this season is the last hope for Peyton, theyre really doing all in for him huh!!
And agaaain and again, im not and english talker so, be patience for my way to write hahaha
Don't like being negative but there is absolutely no chance we are winning the west next year, the moves Denver have made they will walk the division.
Quoted for truth. Change was coming, sooner or later.
Personally I think Dorsey is being patient, and letting the media do it's thing of telegraphing other teams' punches when it comes to roster management.
Denver is spending money like it's tapwater. Let 'em. There's going to be a fallout from all that money blown on Manning, Welker, Talib & Ware. Not to mention a huge red flag to get investigated by the league office, concerning all the money spent under the table to make rosters like that happen.
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This team was going to take a step back from last year's record. You have to know that. Dorsey and the Chiefs are letting this first couple waves of free agents set the market and then they'll be signing bargain players. We'll gain a ton of picks in 2015. Without publicly holding a press conference, the Chiefs basically announced they are going to concentrate on building the team rather than selling out the future for quick success. You want to build a sustainable winner? You do that through the draft and not through free agency. Accumulate picks and young/cheap talent. The peak years of Charles/Hali/DJ/Bowe/Albert/TJ/Dorsey have been wasted by the Pioli regime and horrible coaching. As much as Chiefs fans don't want to hear it, it's about time for management to re-invest themselves into young talent again. This current era of players have wasted their talents on a losing team. If re-building is in mind, they probably shouldn't have signed Bowe to that contract and should probably be looking to trade their elite assets like Charles and Derrick Johnson for some draft picks.
I don't know if they're actually in full-blown re-build mode, but you have to believe this new management team is doing some house cleaning that probably needs to be done in order to build a perennial winner like what they had in Green Bay and Philly.
Just saying.
The players we lost are not difference makers. All those holes are easily filled IMO. Stephenson is already as good as Albert. Davis is an explosive returner. I'm sure we can fill DMCs WR position no problem. TJ was our weakest DL man, that won't take very much to replace. So the only real hole we have is at Guard. Not a huge problem in my eyes
Let me ask you guys/girls this question. Aside from Alex Smith how many "Big names" did we get from FA last year? Not very many! Our Rookies did one helluva job here in KC because Dorsey knows how to spot talent! All of our Impact players are still here and we are about to show them donks that you can't buy championships
I do think the Chiefs are building this team the right way. I'm much more inclined to trust Dorsey and Reid as talent evaluators than Pioli/Haley.... primarily because they aren't a couple douchebags.
A lot of truth in what you say Justin.
I suppose that the traditional pattern when a team gets a new GM and coach at the same time is to pretty much blow the team up and start from scratch. And Reid/Dorsey didn't do that. They worked with what we had, added some free agents to fill some gaps and gave us one hell of a fun year. Now we are losing a lot of free agents which is not surprising given our turnaround and the number of Pro Bowlers we had. But given the game our backups had against San Diego I suspect that our free agent losses won't hurt as all that much. And with the compensatory picks we will get for the 2015 draft I suspect we are going to have a very good and young team for the last half of this decade.
I hate seeing a lot of these free agents go, but from the point of view of building a team that could potentially be a decade long powerhouse It's probably for the best.
I just wish like hell that we could have put our playoff curse to bed before we lost so many free agents.
Absolute F so far!!! Not even trying to get better!!!
The best news is that the Chiefs didn't overpay to keep any of these guys. Lost some decent players, sure, but they're replaceable. We basically don't have a guard to replace Asamoah/Shwartz and it's tough to say what they'll do for TJax. There's a full draft ahead though, and the compensatory picks we'll get next year for not re-signing these guys? Pretty huge. Probably a 3/4 for Albert, a 4/5 for Jackson and then some late round picks for Schwartz and McCluster.
This is basically what teams like NE and GB do every year. Hell toss Baltimore in there. They're not out there making splashy signings. They're finding value late in the FA process and nailing their drafts. Oh, and they're getting compensatory picks for the guys they let walk...i.e. more shots and landing good players in the draft.
Personally, I'm happy that the Chiefs finally have this mentality, now it's up to Dorsey to bring in some cheap talent, b/c anyone you take in the draft is going to be a pretty friendly contract.
Alex wasn't a free agent. We traded draft picks and picked up his contract.
If you look at the early FA signings, most of these guys are getting way overpaid. Good for them, bad for the teams that sign them. I heard a stat that none of the top free agents from last year were in the top 10 in receptions, rec yds, rushing yds, TDs, tackles, sacks, or interceptions. NONE of them! You get the best value from the 2nd tier FAs and from the early rounds of the draft. I'm glad the Chiefs aren't blowing what little cap space they have on 1 or two big names.
Our offense was very good the last 7 games of the season and our defense was good before Houston and Hali got hurt. We aren't in that bad of shape. Losing Scwartz hurts. I thought he could be kept relatively cheaply, but he shouldn't be too hard to replace. TJ was decent but not worth $5 million per year. This looks like a deep draft for OL and DL positions and there are still a LOT of good FA on the market.
Be patient, Chiefs fans. Dorsey and Reid are doing the right thing. 2-14 two seasons ago. 11-5 last year. Give them a chance.
Not like its a team game or anything, Defense wasn't doing anything that game to even make it a game as well. Defense was their weakness. Manning only has 3 years (tops) left. They are in a win now mentality, which isn't bad because they know they can get to the super bowl. Their biggest threat in the AFC is New England. Right now, Denver is taking the west, but that can change come december.
Myself, I am not too discouraged. I hate seeing McCluster go. But I can't dream of second-guessing this staff right now.
No name calling please. The only guys I hated to lose were Schwartz(a good depth lineman), and McCluster(a kr). The sky is hardly falling. McCluster never panned out as a receiver in this team. God knows he had PLENTY of chances. We can find a guard on this roster, in free agency, or in the draft. We already have a good kr guy in Knile Davis. I would have been more upset if we overpaid to keep guys that were not all that important to this team. We need money to get Alex Smith signed to a long term deal this offseason. I wish we didn't have Dwayne Bowe's contract strangling this team, god knows he didn't earn it last season.
Our team will be fine. We need help defending the pass more than anywhere. My ideal draft would be Safety, Cb, WR, OL, WR, OL or something similar.
The way I look at who we lost no one we lost can't be replaced. The "best player" we lost Albert wasn't even on the field a good part of the year due to injury. We can replace the guys we lost. It's just up to Dorsey and Reid to get the job done. Until they prove otherwise I will believe they know what they are doing
Emmanuel Sanders and Brandon Pettigrew would be pretty nice additions to the offense. Did anyone else see the Tony Gonzalez rumors floating around Facebook today? I saw something about he and the Chiefs agreeing to a 2 year deal and then it vanished. He was released by the Falcons on day one of free agency and according to the league, he hasn't turned in his retirement papers yet. Anyone else have anything on this?
Justin has the appropriate view. To sign the 5, it would have cost north of 116 Million Dollars. In 2012, how did you feel about how well Albert played? How about Asamoah? The Chiefs offense is headed in a different direction and those players(Asamoah, Schwartz and Albert) were not part of that direction and way too much money spent to hold them when they need quick feet, versatility and adaptability, new blocking techniques, that the agile player fits(Fisher, Kush, even Hudson and Stephenson. They brought in depth with the signing of the Colt's lineman; But even considering what Dexter brought due to special teams play, he is easily replaceable as a slot receiver -- they have done probably bringing in Dressler. They have McKnight and Davis also for S/T returns. Demps is out there and likely won't be back. This should tell you that the play that is anticipated is fit with other types of linemen, and that shift was anticipated in 2013's draft; As far a defense? They bring Mays to give Nico Johnson someone he has to beat. That is goodness. They are still looking for a DE that can pass rush, but they have Catapano who is very agile and has many moves with an offseason program that I am sure was stringent. Jaye Howard is around, Allen Bailey, I don't see that T-Jax was anything but an under performer that did not get to the QB enough to make keeping him and the money worthwhile. They need a WR and someone to compete with Commings for F/S but I think he is going to be fine. That said: It was hard to watch 4 starters walk -- yes, 4, not 5. Dex was not a starter but he brought excitement to the team but he was not worth 13 million to keep him. The Chiefs need to trade down in the draft and get more picks. sign players that fit the scheme on offense and can compete with existing receivers, build a team from within for distance. Buying Free Agents never arrived at the Super Bowl. Finding players that fit? Yes but even George Allen's teams were not the ones to get over the top. They became competitive and built from there. This works. It worked in Green Bay and elsewhere. I trust Dorsey and Reid. I will ride it out with them, but this idea that they are suddenly a 500 team? Nonsense to me. They will be 10-6 or 11-5 and with the offense that is in the plan, at times, I believe, the Chiefs will be equally dynamic as the last 8 games played in 2013. - David Bell - Avery, ID.
The problem with DMC is that we have others on the team who can return kicks/punts just as well as he does and his limited offensive skills would be rarely used. So he had two strikes against him. He is worth more (to the right team) than the Chiefs can afford to pay him and his skill set made him expendable. I really like Dexter, but losing him won't hurt our offense or our special teams.
Yeah....I think Topeka summed it up well.
I am not worried, and like who we have signed so far. The sky is not falling, rest easy chicken little. Much to come in time uhmum.:11:
i had a hard time with all the losses cause well i get attached to our guys they are family to me and my son, especially dex
however i see no reaon to push the panic button...i agree with several of the post i believe we will be a stronger team this year when all is said and done
i wish dex the best and like to read that whisenhunt will use him like he used woodhead in sd...you go dex and show the nfl what you have!
the free agents are getting way over paid this year...its crazy what they are getting...not just the mega signings either...finnegan 2 yrs 11 million really he has been horrible for 2 years and some of the oakland signings you just got to say "really"
a smith woodley tuck old guys who well will quit before the start of the december schedule
The X factor, Dante Hall, where is he and what has he done after leaving the Chiefs? DMC is the same type of player, I hope he banks his money. They are great at what they do, but not sustainable for need in roster spots. Why spend on flash, when need is more. Need is a WR that will catch a pass needed. The goal is to not need a special teams td.