Foles

Just wanted to get the Nick Foles talk going. I don't think that people outside of Philadelphia realize just how good this kid is. There's an assumption that because he was a 3rd round pick who played for a bad team (unlike Wilson, who was lucky enough to play for a good team) that he's just a typical 3rd round pick - no big deal. This couldn't be further from the truth. Nick Foles is BETTER than ANY QB in this draft! If you could get him from Philly for a 3rd round pick (which is the rumor, with Kelly looking for more mobile QBs) it would be a STEAL and you would have your franchise QB of the future.

A few numbers (provided by Reuben Frank of csnphilly.com and Les Bowen of philly.com). Nick Foles is the ONLY rookie QB in NFL HISTORY to throw for more than 240 yards/game AND complete over 60% of his passes. Only one EVER! For people who say they saw him throw interceptions, he ranks 2nd ALL TIME in fewest interceptions per pass attempt for an NFL rookie. EVER! He's ranked 5th all time in rookie completion percentage behind four QBs who played on teams that mostly ran, and third all time in total yards per game behind QBs he had better QB ratings than and higher completion percentages than. He had a higher QB rating last year than Andrew Luck and many other highly regarded NFL QBs.

A poll was taken by Comcast Philly asking, "Who should the Eagles starting QB be next year?" Amongst the people who watched him play, 48% said, "Nick Foles, 24% said "Michael Vick" and 25% said "some one else". This from the fan base of a team that also has a very high draft pick (#4 overall) and even more cap space than the Chiefs to find their QB. And btw, it's also notoriously the most negative and impossible to please fan base, and they love the dude.

There's a huge movement in KC to reach for a QB #1 just because you can. This guy is better than any QB in the draft and you can get him for much less. When and if Reid/Dorsey decide to trade for Foles, and I suspect they will because they're bright guys, do NOT be disappointed.

The thing is Reid knows what kind of a QB he is and if he wants him I am sure he will try to get him. If we do get him I will be happy because of that fact.

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Originally Posted by N TX Dave

The thing is Reid knows what kind of a QB he is and if he wants him I am sure he will try to get him. If we do get him I will be happy because of that fact.

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Exactly, I trust Reid's decision on Foles and where we draft a QB.

If the Chiefs landed Foles for a 3rd round pick, I'd feel so much better about this franchise and the direction it will be taken in the future. I agree that Foles is better than any QB in this draft. If a gun was against my head and they told me to pick a QB from this draft class or Nick Foles with the #1 pick, I'd take Foles. If the Chiefs could get him for a 3rd round pick, they'd be sittin pretty in my opinion. The best thing that could happen for the Chiefs is if the Albert injury was just a fluke and he's dependable for the next 5 or so years and they could somehow sign him to a middle of the road, long-term deal. Then, they could grab Foles for a 3rd rounder and still have their first two picks to play with.

There don't seem to be too many, if any, elite players in this draft. This class is just loaded with a bunch of good athletes. If I were in that front office, I'd be urging the team to try and turn their first two picks into as many picks in the top 70 as they could get. I'd try to trade down from #1 overall as many times as I could while picking up 2nd round picks the whole way down. I'd love to turn 2 picks in the top 34 into at least 6 picks in the top 60. Can you imagine the excitement if the team came away from the first 2 rounds with a haul that could include Matt Barkley, Eric Reid, Keenan Allen, Zach Ertz, Sam Montgomery, and Xavier Rhodes?? QB, S, WR, TE, DE, and CB all within the first two rounds.

If the Chiefs use the value they currently possess and turn it into multiple players instead of just a pair, we could be looking at a draft like the one that brought us Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Carr, and Charles. Of those 5 players, the one that helped this franchise the least was the one taken in the top 5 overall. I'd like to see the Chiefs bring in a pair of QB's to compete for the starting spot. If Bowe walks, we're gonna need another WR. Dorsey is gone. Jackson should be cut if he won't restructure, so we'll need AT LEAST one DE. We already need a CB. Boss and Moeaki don't seem like long-term solutions at TE to me and there's no doubt we need safety help. 2 picks in the first 2 rounds aren't going to produce 6 starters unless we trade around a little.

I don't see the Eagles giving up Foles after only giving Vick a one year contract. Plus, Kelly even said he plans on them competing.

A fourth is the most I would give up for him but I would bet they would want at least a 2nd and there is no way I would pay that.

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Originally Posted by Guru

I don't see the Eagles giving up Foles after only giving Vick a one year contract. Plus, Kelly even said he plans on them competing.

A fourth is the most I would give up for him but I would bet they would want at least a 2nd and there is no way I would pay that.

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Yeah, if we were going to give up a second round pick then I would expect us to make a play on Alex Smith.

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Originally Posted by chiefster

yeah, if we were going to give up a second round pick then i would expect us to make a play on alex smith.

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Originally Posted by Guru

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:lol:

I would take Foles over Alex Smith in a heartbeat. He's younger, with much more upside, and Smith was a disaster until the last two years when he just simply had so many great players around him, it became much easier to QB that team. Even with all that having been said, Smith led the league in sacks per pass play over the last two years, which doesn't get reflected in his QB rating, and that's behind a very good offensive line with probowl guys on it.

This thing about "I would only give up a 4th for him." Why?!?!? You don't believe that KC needs a QB? Or you don't think that getting a young franchise QB is worth more than a 4th round pick? Why would you only give up a 4th round pick and no more? It's a huge area of need, this guy is a stud, he's young and honestly, a 3rd round pick really isn't that much to give up.

As far as Chip Kelly saying that he's keeping him, of course he's going to say that. When you're trying to drive up a player's stock in order to trade him, that's what you say.

As far as, the Eagles would probably want at least a 2nd. I'm sure they would, but they don't have that much leverage either. The trend in the NFL is toward running QBs and Foles is not one of them. But he does work GREAT in an Andy Reid offense. He doesn't fit the Chip Kelly offense. They need to unload him. As far as drawing interest around the league from other teams, there may be some, but not to the extent that there would be from the Chiefs. After McNabb, Kolb and Feeley all bombed after being traded for 2nd round picks, teams are going to be hesitant to trade a 2nd for a guy who Andy Reid made look good. That having been said, Foles is MUCH better than Kolb, lightyears better than Feeley and certainly better than McNabb at the point in time that he was traded. Plus I'm sure that the Eagles would prefer to trade him out of conference, and the breakup between Reid and Lurie was very amicable. I bet KC could get him for a 3rd, and that would be the steal of a lifetime.

Question. Is Foles even on the trading block or is this pure hypothetical speculation. If Foles is better than anyone in this draft, Why would Philly trade him? From what I have seen so far, people talking about trading for Foles is all KC speculations of people trying to tie QB's they may want back with possible connections to Reid or Dorsey.

That's a great question. It is only speculation, however, I live in Philly, so I'm getting the speculation from the Eagles' perspective. Everyone in the media here (combining their speculation with their inside sources) is adamant that Foles, while he's a great young up and coming QB who the local fans love, absolutely does not fit Chip Kelly's system and will be traded. Kelly runs the read option which requires the QB to have at least some mobility. Foles' one weakness (reason he slipped in the draft) is that he does not. He does, however, have EVERYTHING that Andy Reid needs in a QB. All that having been said, no one saw it coming when they resigned Vick, so they could be wrong.

So, if this was a rumor before, now that Eagles had signed another QB for 2 years will only grow.

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Originally Posted by pojote

So, if this was a rumor before, now that Eagles had signed another QB for 2 years will only grow.

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By bringing in Dixon they really don't have a spot for Foles if they plan on drafting a QB.

Nice!

I still say swap 1st round pick and we take Foles and a second day pick (2, 3 or 4 round) then take the BPA at 4. Sure we might giving up to "many draft points" for us to move back 3 spots and get Foles that is an okay deal to me seeing how there is not the consensuses #1 pick out there and Philly could pick up Geno with the first, its a win win. That is only if Reid thinks he could be our QBOTF, he does know him.

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Originally Posted by Guru

I don't see the Eagles giving up Foles after only giving Vick a one year contract. Plus, Kelly even said he plans on them competing.

A fourth is the most I would give up for him but I would bet they would want at least a 2nd and there is no way I would pay that.

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My thoughts exactly. If we were able to make this trade well before the free agency, it would probably affect what they want to offer B. Albert. Also, it is MUCH easier to trade the 4th pick than the 1st. So we could still trade down some more and move to the middle of the 1st and get a boatload of picks in rounds 2-4. Imagine having like 6 or 7 picks between the 2-4th rounds. We would have a hard time finding room on the roster for all the talent we could acquire!!!

eagles are asking to much for foles...................



For now, Eagles would want a “significant offer” for Nick Foles

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 16, 2013, 9:52 AM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.word...x-10.jpg?w=250 Getty ImagesAfter Michael Vick signed a new contract with the Eagles, head coach Chip Kelly said Vick will compete with Nick Foles to be the team’s starting quarterback. But the talk that Foles would be traded began almost instantly.
The talk started with a report that Chiefs coach Andy Reid — who drafted and coached Foles in Philadelphia last year — wants to trade for Foles. That report was followed quickly by reports that the Eagles have no plans to trade Foles.
Now the Associated Press reports that it would “take a significant offer” to get the Eagles to consider trading Foles.
So what constitutes a significant offer? Would the Eagles want what a second-round draft pick and a good veteran starter? That’s what they got the last time they traded away a quarterback who had been beaten out by Vick, sending Kevin Kolb to Arizona for a second-rounder and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. That trade worked out better for the Eagles than for the Cardinals, and it might be more than any team would be willing to give up for Foles now. So if that’s what the Eagles are going to demand, Foles will probably stay in Philadelphia.
The reality, however, is that the Eagles’ demands could change significantly. If Foles struggles to pick up Kelly’s offense during organized team activities, minicamps and training camps — and if Vick looks like he’s ready to be a great starter while new acquisition Dennis Dixon looks like he’s ready to be a dependable backup — then the asking price could drop significantly. If Foles is no better than the Eagles’ third-string quarterback, they’d surely drop their asking price for him.

It's going to take a 2nd round pick to land Foles... which is pretty much what I've been saying since the Foles discussion began. If Reid could talk the Eagles into going for our 3rd rounder, that would be amazing... not practical IMO. If the Chiefs could find a way to get another 2nd round pick, THAT should be the pick the Chiefs trade for Foles. Andy Reid traded away a few QB's while with Philly and each of them brought back a 2nd round pick. I think it's unrealistic to think the Philly franchise won't continue to look for that same level of compensation for their QB's.

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Question. Is Foles even on the trading block or is this pure hypothetical speculation. If Foles is better than anyone in this draft, Why would Philly trade him? From what I have seen so far, people talking about trading for Foles is all KC speculations of people trying to tie QB's they may want back with possible connections to Reid or Dorsey.

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one of the sports shows did say that the CHIEFS have expressed some interest in foles, but the eagles have said they were NOT planning to trade him,............unless there was a VERY good offer.

For as many bad choices as we've made in past drafts, giving up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a quality QB doesn't sound so bad to me. Where is Phiilly picking in the 1st round? maybe you get him for switching picks, if they're not too high up. just thoughts, I'm sure 20 of you will beat the #$#% out of me for that comment. :smile

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For as many bad choices as we've made in past drafts, giving up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a quality QB doesn't sound so bad to me. Where is Phiilly picking in the 1st round? maybe you get him for switching picks, if they're not too high up. just thoughts, I'm sure 20 of you will beat the #$#% out of me for that comment. :smile

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They pick 4th overall which trading the pick is basically equivalent to trading the Eagles a mid-first round pick. I'd be ok with trading a mid-late 2nd round pick or trade 1sts for Foles.

At first look swapping 1rst round picks with them for Foles makes a ton of sense. They are in desperate need of OL. He has to be looked at with little value to the team with Kelleys offense.

We need them to fall in love with Smith or Joechel... Maybe then they would consider moving up.

Yeah. The biggest problem with the Chiefs trading their #1 pick is that right now, there doesn't seem to be that big player that other teams would want to trade up to pick.

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Originally Posted by texaschief

Yeah. The biggest problem with the Chiefs trading their #1 pick is that right now, there doesn't seem to be that big player that other teams would want to trade up to pick.

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Indeed. Do you feel like we are watching a chess match right now? Just as Philly informs us that Foles is off the market, reports of the Chiefs being most interested in Alex Smith flood in. These teams WANT to trade their QBs. I guess this is what it takes to maximize their value.

I can't see any other real suitors for Foles other than us. If Philly lets him set on their bench, essentially declining in value every year he does, and miss out on a 3rd round pick they are fools.

The Eagles are probably saying in public they wont trade him and then telling Dorsey that they a 1st round pick. If I were in Dorsey's shoes, I would be calling both the Eagles and the 49ers. I would then counter with, "ok, thanks, we are going to call the 49ers about A. Smith." Then see what the 49ers want. Then play each team off of each other: "Hey Eagles, the 49ers are telling us they will take XX for A. Smith. Foles is less proven than Smith, so give us a better deal."

Exactly... The thing that worries me about A. Smith is that he is going to be released by the 49ers if they can't find a trade partner. NO way in hell are they paying him $8.5m to set on the bench. They are simply banking on a desperate situation for the Chiefs. Arizona is the only other team I can think of that would be interested in A. Smith. But after the Kolb nightmare I could see them being more than reluctant. What we need is for G. Smith to have a great Combine and Pro Day, get some media buzz. This will give the leverage back to us. At which point we have to trust our new coach to move on the best QB for our team.