Geno smith not playing did a great job at not hurting his stock now all hes gotta do is knock his pro day and combine out of the ball park, well played geno still wish he played at the senior bowl
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Geno smith not playing did a great job at not hurting his stock now all hes gotta do is knock his pro day and combine out of the ball park, well played geno still wish he played at the senior bowl
I went back and watched the Tyler Wilson possessions today in the Senior Bowl. I thought he played very well. Most of his passes were the kind that Andy Reid uses in his offense. Tyler finished 7 for 8 i believe. His only incompletion was an underthrown deep ball. I think he has plenty of arm to throw a deep ball though. If that ball is caught, he literally would have had a perfect performance. His delivery is a little odd, but he throws a tight spiral with velocity.
I'm in the QB with the #1 pick camp. So far, I'm leaning towards Tyler Wilson based on what I'm reading and seeing. I understand that we don't get great draft value by taking a QB #1 overall. But in my opinion, getting the best QB in this year's draft will help us win more game over the next 5 years, than using the #1 pick to replace an already talented Branden Albert. Especially when we have Donald Stephenson to back him up if Albert does have issues.
In my opinion, you give Albert the 1 year franchise tag. That way if he does have injuries the Chiefs won't be on the hook. Try to sign Bowe to a 3 or 4 yr deal. Let Dorsey walk.
If the Chiefs have Tyler Wilson on the roster next year, they win more games. If they have a new LT, and a mish mash of QB's leading this team, we won't be much better.
This article sums up my thoughts on this situation:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...son-tamba-hali
There is not a QB who stands head and shoulders above the other top 2 or 3 in this class. I think they're all about even. I'd prefer Wilson or Barkley over Smith, not because of talent necessarily, but because they're more of a proven commodity. 75% of our total draft value lies in that #1 pick. That pick should be spent on the player that represents the least possible risk... not a QB who's going to be a HUGE gamble, regardless of his name. Taking the consensus 15th best player in the draft is not smart. Our pick should be a player ranked in the top 5 overall in his class.
If it's a QB this club wants, this year's option should be to try and trade down and collect more picks and then pick the player they're targeting. If we were talking about an Andrew Luck, Manning, or even Rivers type talent, I'd be all-in for a QB at #1. That player simply doesn't exist.
This draft is like passing on Derrick Thomas or Willie Roaf to see if Matt Flynn, Jimmy Clausen, Kevin Kolb, or Drew Stanton could maybe, perhaps, if given enough time, in the right circumstances, and in the right system, MIGHT be able to get this team to the playoffs and if he's really good, to perhaps even a Super Bowl. If any of the QBs in this class had come out last season as seniors, none of them would have been taken in the first round... so, what makes them worthy this year? The fact that Andrew Luck, RGIII, and Weeden aren't available?
Admittedly, I'd take any of the top 3 in the 2013 class before I'd take Weeden, but they're definitely not worth #1 overall. I still think the best move the Chiefs could make would be to trade their 3rd round pick for Nick Foles. He's only been in the league one season, wouldn't be considered a "re-tread," and he's proven to be successful in Andy Reid's offense. He doesn't fit Chip Kelly's offense and would present a valuable trade piece for a team who will also want more draft picks to help with their rebuild.
Nick Foles at #1 overall would be a better pick than any other QB. Nick Foles for a 2nd or 3rd round pick would be an extremely efficient way to fill the QB position without risking enormous value in the process.
Think about this, we can either risk a 3rd rounder worth 265 pts or 2nd rounder worth 580 pts on Nick Foles, or we can risk 3000 points on a rookie QB. I'm sorry, but I just don't see a QB in this class that is worth risking 2400 points MORE than what it could cost the Chiefs to land Nick Foles. I also don't necessarily see a QB in this class who represents a higher upside than Nick Foles in Andy Reid's system.
A proven commodity for 580pts or an enormous risk for 3000pts?
I agree on a couple of things here.
I hope our first pick is a QB. Without a better qb we will have the same problem we had in 2012. I first choice would be to trade down a little and grab another pick or two. But qb is by far our biggest need, therefore it does not make any sense to beef up other positions and not the qb.
I'm with you as well on Albert, lots here dont like him but hes done a good if not great job, and to draft Joeckel would not make any sense, as we would not have improved the team, other than making them younger . This would really be a waste in my opinion.
Most ppl have Luke Joeckel being the best player in the draft, but its far from our greatest need.
Assuming we don't re-sign Branden Albert. Remember, we can only franchise one player and I just can't see Andy Reid allowing a WR of Bowe's caliber to walk when a LT of Joekel's caliber is available to him at a much cheaper price than Albert. The business doesn't make sense. Keeping expensive players like Bowe AND Albert and then risking 3/4 of your draft value on a QB in this draft class are just absolutely HORRIBLE business practices and the exact kind of things that have killed this franchise in the past.
If we do not upgrade our QB in this year's draft or if draft one first and he does not work out we will be in the same condition next year and/or two as this year, with this year's draft a waste again because of reaching for a player again.
Let's stop reaching and maybe we can get this franchise turned around. I sure hope we can find a QB better than what we have somewhere (through trades or draft) is all I can say.
All of that makes perfect sense, but you are making one big assumption. You are assuming that the "other" player we draft is guaranteed to be a top 5 talent. Since you are a Chiefs fan, I'm sure you know that is just not the case.(Dorsey,Jackson).
In my opinion, its nearly impossible to tell how a draft class should be ranked until they've played in the NFL for a few years. Who is to say that "sure thing" DT isn't a bust, and the iffy "QB" isn't the next Tom Brady. And you can't just simply draft the best player available without considering need. Just ask Lions fans. They drafted top sure thing WR's every year when they sucked and that set them back at least 5 years.
My point is there is no sure thing in the draft. We have a chance to get the best player in the draft at our biggest position of need. I agree, about going after Nick Foles or Matt Flynn, or Matt Moore. But let's face it, none of those guys are sure thing QBOTF either. I'd much rather have too much talent on the bench at QB, than too much talent on the bench at DT or CB.
You can't win in this league without a good QB, but plenty of teams win without good defensive players. QB is the most important position on the field, let's get the best one this class has to offer. And if we whiff, you draft another next year.
Draft at least 1 QB, sign at least one free agent QB, and trade for a QB. This roster has none right now, so we need at least 3. May the best man win the job.
I'd be happy if the Chiefs got a QB each of those ways... I just HATE the idea of taking one of the available QBs #1 overall in the draft. Spending 3000 of 4000 available points on one of these QBs just screams Ryan Sims or at best Tyson Jackson to me... and I don't think we can expect much more relative positional value from any of these QBs if they're taken #1 overall. If we took Wilson or Smith #1 overall, I honestly think we'd get Tyson Jackson value at the most important position on the field. The prospect of getting the Tyson Jackson of QBs just doesn't appeal to me for 3/4 of our draft value and 4-6 Million of our cap space.
You know me, I scream about draft value every year and this year is no exception. There just isn't a QB worth 3000 points in this draft.
If we don't upgrade the QB spot in the draft we will be better off then reaching for a QB just to draft a QB because we need a QB. If we don't go Qb this year and stick with Cassel or Quinn and Reid can't get anything out of them then what we have seen then we will be MUCH more likely to go for a QB somehow someway next year. That can't be said if we reach for a QB just because we need a QB and that QB isn't right. That's why I have been so against just drafting a QB. IT will set us back LONGER then sticking with Cassel for anther year. We have to make sure we get the right QB if we are going to draft a QB. If a QB that's going to take us somewhere we want to go isn't there then we would be better off not drafting any QB. We have the best pick in the whole draft. When that happens you have to get it right. You have to do your homework.