http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/02/2...ing-to-report/
I'm guessing it's the chiefs
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I'm guessing it's the chiefs
The talk around the combine is that it's the Chiefs.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...7921--nfl.html
i am not sure if i like this deal, don't like giving up a 3rd AND another pik. remember our 3rd round is akin to a late 2nd which would have given us a good shot at 3 talented players, but then again we would never have found as good a QB at that 3rd pik as alex smith so i guess it looks like a good deal.
Best case scenario is we gave them the 3rd round pick we are likely to get for losing Carr last year. If that is the case, it makes the trade much more appealing with still having our 3 picks that can hopefully turn into starters. Also, would leave us the 4th or 5th to take a chance on Tyler Bray who has lots of upside, but needs to be taught how to be a professional and Alex Smith would do a great job at that, which was pointed out by another member on the other Alex Smith thread.
All in all, I dont want to jump to any conclusions until it is official. We can only hope that the chiefs new brass isnt giving up too much for Smith.
Dont think you can trade compensatory picks.
Yeah u cant trade comp picks.
So if we get him, we have to pay him 8.5 million right? How much would we be paying Matt this year?
Who says we cant rework his contract once we get him? Still think 8 mil a year is cheap thiugh.
I hope we get him!
IF true, same as it ever was in Chiefs land. Sure hoping this is NOT true.
I read what you're sayin bud, but, if it is true, I would think that it wouldn't quite be the same for a couple of reasons:
First, Smith is better than Cassel and wouldn't have to be developed like any one of the QBs entering this years draft. (IMO)
Second, Andy Reid, unlike Haley or Crennel, knows what to do with a QB.
Come on Chiefster, you have been a fan for how long now? I don't see how any fan can sign off on doing the SAME THING every few years. Bad QB play. OK, lets get somebody elses backup and make them a starter. Rinse Repeat. WE haven't won a playoff game in 20 years. WE haven't drafted a first round QB in 30 years. We haven't been to a superbowl in GASP 43 years.
Something has GOT to give!!!!
What is the one thing the Chiefs NEVER do? Draft and develop their own QB.
It is time to take a chance and do something DIFFERENT. Get Geno. Get Barkley. Get Manuel. Get Wilson. I don't care. Just get one of them and develop them. Stop promoting other teams castoffs.
Brett Favre was Atlanta's backup QB so they traded him. How did that work out for GB? It's about getting the best QB. Forget the label "somebody else's backup". If they evaluate him to be the best option, then he's the best option. If he's better than some one who wasn't somebody else's backup, why go with the worse guy just so you can say, "He's not somebody else's backup"?
It's not "doing the same thing every year". KC has never traded for Alex Smith before. He's his own unique person. Reid and Dorsey know what they're doing. They have a track record. If they think he's the man, then let's see if they're right.
THIS
It doesn't matter how you get a QB. What matters is if he's the right QB. If he's the right QB then it doesn't matter how we get him. We brought in the St.Louis Rams backup Trent Green that worked pretty well for us. We drafted Brodie Croyle that didn't work Brodie was not the right QB Trent was. You just have to get the right Qb
thank you! you are talking some sense...The reason they probably won't draft a guy in the 1st is because there probably isn't one WORTH a 1st round pick! that's not the chiefs fault! So you mean to tell me when we get smith and draft one of the guys you mentioned (Barkley, Manuel, Wilson, etc) in the 2nd or 3rd, that that's not a good deal? I for one will be happy. Just my 2 cents.
Look at the 2010 draft class. One guy who MAYBE should have gone in the first round, St. Louis reached for at #1 and then a bunch of guys who were all reaches in the 2nd and 3rd round, none of which should be playing in the NFL. That's this class, except that Bradford is probably even better than Gino. Would you pass up on all 22 probowl players in that draft to take a mediocre QB?
I absolutely agree Guru, but Smith is absolutely NOT just another teams cast off. Smith lost his starting job because of injury; it wasn't like he was benched because he WASN'T performing at a high level. I have no problem with drafting a QB to develop as well and I think that Smith would be a good QB to learn from. It's not a question of me signing off on this move particularly if it's going to happen anyway, I’m just trying to see the glass half full. I'm a fan of the of the Kansas City Chiefs, as I know you are, and as such the best we can hope for is that those making these kinds of decisions do so from years of proven successful experience. I get your point and understand the frustration; you and I have been a very large part of that frustration for far too long especially with regards to the QB position. We have been a QB away from a winning season, playoff win and SB appearance for far too many years now. However, the game has somewhat changed, now that we have the rookie cap we can do both. At the end of the day: it is what it is.
However, I do concede you're point about doing something different.
Did you really just compare Brett Favres situation to Smith? Favre had been a rookie backup for one season. Smith is going into his 9th year. If you look at the stats Alex Smith IS Matt Cassel. (with a few less TD and a few more INTs and a slightly worse career QB rating) Guru is absolutely correct. Same old crap.
This is something that all the people who are so upset about Smith possibly being brought in ignore. Just because we bring him in doesn't mean we still can't draft a QB. Maybe that Rookie guy wouldn't be ready. Not every Rookie QB is Luck or RGIII they are not the normal rookies. There is no rookie in this draft at there level. Not close to there level. Any QB drafted might have to sit a year or two to be ready. Smith has won in the NFL. He has won in the playoffs. He can fill the plug just in case a rookie is not ready. It would be stupid to just assume that a rookie is going to be ready day 1. You have to give yourselfs options.
And lets be honest we can also build more around that rookie so he has a better chance to win when he would start playing. WE ARE NOT A QB AWAY. I watched this team all year. Both offense and defense were not giving this team much a chance to win. The D had some really good games but they didn't have a good season overall. Go watch the Tampa game. Those same high throws that our "horrible QBs" were throwing were being thrown against our D there guys went up made a catch and took it to the house ALL DAY. And that was not the only game stuff like that happened. Bringing in a vet could allow us to develop a QB while building a better team around him when he would become the starter.
I'm going to keep beating the drum that they are NOT the same QB. There are two MAJOR differences between the two of them.
1. Alex Smith has WON in the playoffs. Matt Cassel has not.
2. Matt Cassel had a good year in 2010 Smith good year in 2011 While the year after 2010 Cassel took a MAJOR step Backwards Smith kept playing well up until he got hurt and lost his job.
he did get knocked out with a concussion. hope this doesn't jump up and bite us on the A
what's the deal with the thumbs up? I tried to give one and it turned red-thumbs down?
A 2nd round pick for Alex smith is not smart. With the new rookie salary scale, it's not so bad to take a shot at a QB in the draft.
Bono, Grbac, Cassel, Smith.
I cannot even begin to express my frustration with this franchise. We don't ever learn anything from the past.
I can't wait till March 12th when we find out its all a big painful joke! Just hoping.
In the last 4 years Alex Smith has only three 300-yard games.
Cassel has 4.
Anyone not named Geno would not make you happy
But anyway tell me when has Cassel won a playoff game? When has Cassel ever had his team a muffed punt away from being in the SUPER bowl? Those results don't say Matt Cassel to me. How about we give him a chance before whining just because we are not going to go QB first pick or Geno.
Cassel does not have a playoff win. The fact we are even putting our new qb in the same boat as Cassel is just sad.
Smith and Cassel have idential YPA. Cassel in the last 4 seasons has one more 300 yard passing game than Smith does, which is 4 games versus Smith's 3. He averaged 187 ypg under Harbaugh. The whole thing is just sad. We are giving up so much for someone who reminds me an awful lot of Cassel.
Funny how you don't mention Trent Green who gave us the number 1 offense in the NFL for a number of years. Or even the last QB to win a playoff game for us Joe Montana funny how you just happen to leave them out.
You will find a way to put any qb not named Geno in the same boat as Cassel. The fact is that Alex Smith has put his team in a position to get to the super bowl no matter how much you don't like him that's a fact. That's something Cassel never did. Are you telling me the 2011 niners are better then the Pats in 08?
Alex smith is more of a game manager, don't turn the ball over type of qb which is why I don't understand giving up so much for him. Like it or not he resembles Cassel, and I don't consider a qb whose job is to manage the game as someone who puts them in a position to contend for the super bowl.
Look at his stats and play, he and Cassel are VERY VERY similar.
And if you remember correctly I wanted to trade down and pick Barkley and a CB versus drafting Geno with the first pick. I would of been fine either way, but not with this.
Smith's unofficial trade from San Francisco to Kansas City invited comparisons between Smith and recent Chiefs starting quarterback Matt Cassel. Smith was much better than Cassel during the 2012 season. He has much better traditional passing stats over the past two seasons. But as the chart shows, Cassel and Smith have identical Total QBR scores over the past five years. They were at 46.6. All starting quarterbacks were at 53.0 over that period. ()
Cassel was slightly ahead of Smith, 46.4 to 45.8, when only starts were considered.
We ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.