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10-13-2013, 09:41 PM
nigeriannightmare

Feeling a touch annoyed

I know everyone makes excuses for losing, he'll we have been pretty good at it here for years. However why is no one paying attention to all the injuries we have had. We have no tight end, fisher just got back from a concussion, Albert played hurt. No Flowers. It's not like we are exactly healthy.

With that said I like not getting the praise, reason to play with a chip. I just think this D is gonna be Peyton's nightmare. Marcus cooper is just getting better, gets beat twice, learns and then jumps the route. Flowers on welker they have a back up LT. I really think we sweep them. Our D is that good.
10-13-2013, 09:47 PM
Chiefster

I hope you're right.
10-13-2013, 09:53 PM
nigeriannightmare

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Originally Posted by Chiefster

I hope you're right.

The he more I look at it and I'm a novice compared to some here but. We flat out get after you and between flowers, cooper, and smith we can slow that Denver Offense down. I am flat out overly impressed with sutton. He makes some excellent , excellent half time adjustments.
10-13-2013, 09:55 PM
nigeriannightmare

Not saying we hold them to seven. No way but get a few key stops.
10-13-2013, 10:08 PM
spiman

We all want Denver to see how good we really are.. after a bye week/ God willing-The Chiiefs are a 100 % healthy..Who knows a Tony might show up {wish list} We will know Div champs or wildcard ?
10-14-2013, 12:17 PM
Frankenchief

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Originally Posted by nigeriannightmare

I know everyone makes excuses for losing, he'll we have been pretty good at it here for years. However why is no one paying attention to all the injuries we have had. We have no tight end, fisher just got back from a concussion, Albert played hurt. No Flowers. It's not like we are exactly healthy.

With that said I like not getting the praise, reason to play with a chip. I just think this D is gonna be Peyton's nightmare. Marcus cooper is just getting better, gets beat twice, learns and then jumps the route. Flowers on welker they have a back up LT. I really think we sweep them. Our D is that good.

Getting a bit ambitious, hey? :sign0142:

I'll gladly take a split.
10-14-2013, 01:38 PM
doobs_05

Eh, KC stops Denver's O, KC's O needs to score

6 wins in Denver since 1990, it's a tough task.
10-14-2013, 03:19 PM
ctchiefsfan

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

Eh, KC stops Denver's O, KC's O needs to score

6 wins in Denver since 1990, it's a tough task.

True. But Dallas and the Jags have shown that the Donks CAN be scored on. By the time we play Denver there is going to be a lot of film showing how to do it. I can easily see us losing both, winning both or splitting. One thing is sure.....I am expecting 2 very tough games against Denver.
10-14-2013, 07:35 PM
doobs_05

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Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan

True. But Dallas and the Jags have shown that the Donks CAN be scored on. By the time we play Denver there is going to be a lot of film showing how to do it. I can easily see us losing both, winning both or splitting. One thing is sure.....I am expecting 2 very tough games against Denver.

No legit pass rush shows you can score on Denver, once von molly comes back, then we'll see if its as easy to score when one of the top pass rushers is back on the team.
10-14-2013, 08:18 PM
ctchiefsfan

No doubt.....Von Miller's return "should" add a whole new dimension to Denver. That said, I still think Denver has 3 very losable games.....twice against the Chiefs and once against the Colts......and that doesn't count the "any given Sunday" factor. Just like the Chiefs, the Donks have a few games ahead of them that should be pretty tough.
10-14-2013, 09:29 PM
matthewschiefs

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

No legit pass rush shows you can score on Denver, once von molly comes back, then we'll see if its as easy to score when one of the top pass rushers is back on the team.

Getting Miller back should help them no doubt but I think they will still have a big problem with D. Miller was with them at the end of last year and the defense was why they lost in the playoffs they also lost Dumervile so while Miller will defently help them I still thing that their D is going to give them a lot of problems
10-14-2013, 09:55 PM
nigeriannightmare

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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

Getting Miller back should help them no doubt but I think they will still have a big problem with D. Miller was with them at the end of last year and the defense was why they lost in the playoffs they also lost Dumervile so while Miller will defently help them I still thing that their D is going to give them a lot of problems

They are gonna miss Elvis dumervil even when Von comes back. Elvis is no slouch and hard to replace. Champ is old the defense is their liability. We held the giants to 7 and the cowboys to 16. The donkeys held the giants to 21 and cowboys to 48. I'm telling you we are gonna be Peyton's nightmare.
10-14-2013, 10:17 PM
ctchiefsfan

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Originally Posted by nigeriannightmare

They are gonna miss Elvis dumervil even when Von comes back. Elvis is no slouch and hard to replace. Champ is old the defense is their liability. We held the giants to 7 and the cowboys to 16. The donkeys held the giants to 21 and cowboys to 48. I'm telling you we are gonna be Peyton's nightmare.

I'm not ready to go that far, but I have no doubt that Manning is in for a bit of a rude awakening on November 17. He has not yet faced an ELITE Defense this year. By the end of the 3rd quarter (assuming we are still in the game) I fully expect to see a serious case of "deer in the headlights"!
10-14-2013, 10:58 PM
Frankenchief

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Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan

True. But Dallas and the Jags have shown that the Donks CAN be scored on. By the time we play Denver there is going to be a lot of film showing how to do it. I can easily see us losing both, winning both or splitting. One thing is sure.....I am expecting 2 very tough games against Denver.

Part of the reason they "can be scored on" is their O scores so fast the D has more chances to get scored on by being on the field more often.
10-14-2013, 11:01 PM
Frankenchief

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Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan

No doubt.....Von Miller's return "should" add a whole new dimension to Denver. That said, I still think Denver has 3 very losable games.....twice against the Chiefs and once against the Colts......and that doesn't count the "any given Sunday" factor. Just like the Chiefs, the Donks have a few games ahead of them that should be pretty tough.

Hard to see Peyton Manning losing to the team that let him go. I think he'll be at his very best that day.
10-14-2013, 11:10 PM
ctchiefsfan

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Originally Posted by Frankenchief

Hard to see Peyton Manning losing to the team that let him go. I think he'll be at his very best that day.

Absolutely!!!! But I'm still looking for them to give him a rough go. Dallas did. The Jags almost sorta did. The donks are NOT bullet proof just because they have Peyton Manning!!!!

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-15-2013, 01:15 PM
doobs_05

Quick question about KC Offesne, how many points are they averaging (don't count defense TDs)?

I looked up the defense rank (yards/game) KC has played
32. Eagles
30. Cowboys
24. Giants
22. Jags
13, Raiders
10. Titans

17 against dallas just doesn't look great (can't remember if a D player scored a TD or not)
10-15-2013, 04:28 PM
ctchiefsfan

The Chiefs have scored a total of 152 points.

The defense has scored 3 touchdowns.

Special teams have scored 2 touchdowns.

So how many points the offense has scored depends on who you give credit for the extra points and who you give credit for the special teams touchdowns.

I don't know how the official NFC statisticians count those items but to me, that means that the Defense and Special Teams have scored 35 points thus leaving our offense having scored 117 points.

But the NFL may not credit extra points and Special Teams touchdowns the same way I have. So using my numbers might yield an incorrect ranking.
10-15-2013, 06:26 PM
doobs_05

so 117/6 = 19.5 points a game......

Some fans will look at that and say "well the D hasn't given up more than 17 points" but what happens when it does happen and the D and ST don't make a TD......The offense is going to be the achillies heel to this team, i don't see the D costing KC a playoff game.
10-15-2013, 06:38 PM
jason1981

There will be a game where the the def doesnt get a turnoverand lets just hope by then our oline will get better by then. We can only go as far as our oline can take us.
10-15-2013, 06:57 PM
ctchiefsfan

I kind of thought that was where you were going with this. Here is how I look at it.

Opponents have scored an average of 10.834 points per game.

Our offense has scored an average of 19.5 points per game.

So, our offense has outscored our opponents by an average of 8.67 points per game.

Our offense has outscored opposing teams by a little more than a touchdown per game.

There is no doubt that our Defense is the driving factor behind our 6-0 record. They have scored points, gotten us field position and kept our opponents from scoring. They are doing an AMAZING JOB!

The opponents we have played have certainly helped too. None of them are exactly setting the world on fire.

Even if you ignore the Jags game (28-2) our opponents have only scored 12.6 points per game against us. So eliminating the Jags game our opponents have still only scored 12.6 points per game. And we have outscored them by 6.9 point per game...basically, if you eliminate the Jags game our offense has still outscored our opponents by 1 touchdown per game.

Does that make us good enough to win the SuperBowl this year? I don't think so.

Does that make us good enough to make the playoffs? I think so.

Does that make us good enough to win a playoff game? I think so.

In the end we have become a pretty good team and have been helped by our last place schedule. We'll learn a lot about how good this team is when we play the Donkeys twice and the Colts once.

But for right now, 6 games into the season we have gone from 2-14 to 6-0 and being one of only 2 undefeated teams in the NFL. And that is pretty damn good.

THE CHIEFS ARE BACK!!!!!!!!
10-15-2013, 08:33 PM
ctchiefsfan

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

Quick question about KC Offesne, how many points are they averaging (don't count defense TDs)?

I looked up the defense rank (yards/game) KC has played
32. Eagles
30. Cowboys
24. Giants
22. Jags
13, Raiders
10. Titans

17 against dallas just doesn't look great (can't remember if a D player scored a TD or not)

This question intrigued me because I really enjoy playing with numbers and besides, my calculator get's lonely if I don't give it a regular workout.

So the first thing we need to do is what statisticians do. Throw out the low and the high.

This is easy. Throw out the Jags game. That was the game in which our Defense allowed the least points (2) and our Chiefs scored the most (28).

So points scored against the Chiefs becomes 63 instead of 65. Points scored by our offense becomes 21 points lower (Hali had a Pick-6 against the Jags). So points scored by our offense becomes 96. (117-21).

So throwing out the blowout against the Jags, our offense has outscored our opponents total points (including points scored by opponents D and ST) by 96-63.

Now divide this by 5 games (remember, we threw out the Jags game) and our offense has outscored opposing teams by an average of 19.2 points to 12.6 points. A difference of 6.6 points per game. Just less than a touchdown per game.....or if you prefer just more than 2 field goals per game).

Taking this a step further, out offense has outscored our opponents by an average (excluding the Jags game) of just over 52%.

Meaning that for every TD our opponents score, our offense scores over 10 points.

Without a doubt, this leads to close games. But it does put an end to the idea that without points scored by our D and ST that we would be losing games. WE WOULDN'T.

Our Defense is STIFLING!

Our offense is not spectacular, but they are getting the job done by scoring almost a touchdown and a field goal for every touchdown our opponents score. They have been GOOD ENOUGH against every opponent we have faced.

Are they going to be "good enough" against Denver, the Colts and whoever we face in the playoffs? Only the shadow knows.

But football is a team sport. Sometimes your D bails out your offense. Sometimes your Offense has to bail out your D.

Can our offense bail out our D? We don't know. Our D hasn't had a bad game yet.

Certainly we won't go undefeated through the regular season, playoffs and SuperBowl this year. BUT WE HAVE A DARNED GOOD TEAM AND WE HAVE A COACH WHO IS KNOWN FOR PROLIFIC OFFENSES. ONCE THIS OFFENSE GETS HITTING ON ALL CYLINDERS THERE WILL NOT BE A TEAM IN THE ENTIRE NFL THAT CAN THINK OF A GAME AGAINST THE CHIEFS AS ANYTHING BUT A VERY VERY VERY TOUGH GAME.

THE CHIEFS ARE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-15-2013, 10:27 PM
AkChief49

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Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan

Without a doubt, this leads to close games. But it does put an end to the idea that without points scored by our D and ST that we would be losing games. WE WOULDN'T.

Add the name Dustin Colquitt to the list of reasons we are doing well. Actually, it's all of the above. This team is playing like A TEAM!!!! Enjoy it! I sure am.

The oline this and the oline that. Iv'e seen several games now where this line (and JC) have straight up knocked the others guys down the field with a time eating, game securing drive.

It's almost like we are in a time-warp and are in the 90's again. Great D and ST and ok O. Almost. I think this O gets going. I really believe Andy is holding his cards close to his vest! Week 11 is hold'em or fold'em time.
10-15-2013, 10:54 PM
ctchiefsfan

You are SO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our Defense is playing lights out! Our Offense is playing as well as they need to to win. But our Offense has shown flashes of brilliance when it was needed most. Just think about that drive against Oakland just before the half to tie the game.....and some of those LOOOOONG 4th quarter drives to put the game away. Despite the injuries, our offense has shown that when the game is on the line they will get the job done if the defense keeps it close. Reid has said many times that we have "a long way to go", but the pieces are there! Just need the Offense to give us more of what they have shown they can do.

THE CHIEFS ARE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-16-2013, 12:30 AM
doobs_05

Just like i said the record crowd noise thread, i follow teams that really underachieve and break fans hearts, It's awesome whats going on (6-0 is 6-0), but its that feeling that something might/will go wrong, also it was always said "Defense wins championships, but i'm starting to think with rules changing and owners/NFL wanting more ratings, a better offense will get you further, but we won't know til we get there. still have 10 games left.
10-16-2013, 12:32 AM
Canada

If you are looking for a team that wins more championships than they lose....that team does not exist.
10-16-2013, 10:45 AM
chiefnut

Denver, Denver, Denver.....you do know there are 3 teams we have to play before we play Denver. the more everyone seems to be ignoring Houston, Cleveland and buffalo thinking them easy wins and focuses on Denver the more I fear we lose 1 or more of those games rendering the Denver showdown game anticlimactic. let us not get ahead of ourselves, while thoughts of a trip to the playoffs may dance in our heads we need to win all the games we are supposed to and a few we aren't to make it happen
10-16-2013, 11:24 AM
brdempsey69

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Originally Posted by chiefnut

Denver, Denver, Denver.....you do know there are 3 teams we have to play before we play Denver. the more everyone seems to be ignoring Houston, Cleveland and buffalo thinking them easy wins and focuses on Denver the more I fear we lose 1 or more of those games rendering the Denver showdown game anticlimactic. let us not get ahead of ourselves, while thoughts of a trip to the playoffs may dance in our heads we need to win all the games we are supposed to and a few we aren't to make it happen

Precisely. I'm sick of hearing about Denver. The matchup with the Donks is still over a month away. The next opponent is Houston & they've struggled as of late and are looking to get back on track & I don't look for them to collapse the way they have the previous two games.
10-16-2013, 11:30 AM
Frankenchief

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Originally Posted by doobs_05

so 117/6 = 19.5 points a game......

Some fans will look at that and say "well the D hasn't given up more than 17 points" but what happens when it does happen and the D and ST don't make a TD......The offense is going to be the achillies heel to this team, i don't see the D costing KC a playoff game.

All in all at this point given a choice between what side of the ball to suck I take the O. Reid is an O guy and will eventually fix the O. If the D was our "achillies heel" I'd be concerned.
10-16-2013, 11:54 AM
ctchiefsfan

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Originally Posted by Frankenchief

All in all at this point given a choice between what side of the ball to suck I take the O. Reid is an O guy and will eventually fix the O. If the D was our "achillies heel" I'd be concerned.

Absolutely!!!!!!! I've watched the Monday press conferences after several of the games and in every one Reid has said some variation on "The Offense has a ways to go". He has identified the problem and I am confident that he will get it fixed. I just hope he can make some real improvements this year. If we can get some better production out of the offense for at least the last 6 or 7 games, then I think we become a very serious contender.
10-16-2013, 05:42 PM
Hayvern

The key for us to beating the Broncos is goign to be how and when the Chief's defense puts up a stand. Our defense is really good against the pass and against the running back rush, we seem to have problems when it comes to mobile QBs. That is not going to be a problem with Manning, Manning is hardly mobile.

So then it comes down to how soft we are going to play their receivers. Welker is a short yardage receiver and if we play those short passes soft, Manning is going to tear us up. I am not worried about the long ball, but the short yardage pass, screen passes and over the middle short passes will kill us, and Manning is very very good about ball placement and throwing the ball where only his receivers can catch it.

That means our guys in the secondary and our middle linebackers are going to have to bring their A game to this game. We like to play man to man coverage, but we have to be on top of those receivers routes and there to break up those short yardage plays.

I think we can score 24 - 31 points against Denver, their defense is not the greatest that we have played, but we need our offense to mainly control the clock and keep Manning off the field. Getting the running game going (something we have had some issue with) is going to be the key to the offense. We need to score some points and get lots and lots of first downs to keep Manning off the field.
10-16-2013, 06:40 PM
doobs_05

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Originally Posted by Hayvern

we seem to have problems when it comes to mobile QBs. That is not going to be a problem with Manning, Manning is hardly mobile.

DAT SEC SPEED!!
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10-16-2013, 08:07 PM
ctchiefsfan

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Originally Posted by Hayvern

The key for us to beating the Broncos is goign to be how and when the Chief's defense puts up a stand. Our defense is really good against the pass and against the running back rush, we seem to have problems when it comes to mobile QBs. That is not going to be a problem with Manning, Manning is hardly mobile.

So then it comes down to how soft we are going to play their receivers. Welker is a short yardage receiver and if we play those short passes soft, Manning is going to tear us up. I am not worried about the long ball, but the short yardage pass, screen passes and over the middle short passes will kill us, and Manning is very very good about ball placement and throwing the ball where only his receivers can catch it.

That means our guys in the secondary and our middle linebackers are going to have to bring their A game to this game. We like to play man to man coverage, but we have to be on top of those receivers routes and there to break up those short yardage plays.

I think we can score 24 - 31 points against Denver, their defense is not the greatest that we have played, but we need our offense to mainly control the clock and keep Manning off the field. Getting the running game going (something we have had some issue with) is going to be the key to the offense. We need to score some points and get lots and lots of first downs to keep Manning off the field.

I like your analysis. I'm more focused on Houston right now, but once the Denver games roll around IF we can keep the game close then I think we can at least split or maybe win twice. If we keep the combined score at or under 48 points then I think Denver loses. We will not win a shoot-out with them. If our D keeps it close then our O will find a way to win in the 4th quarter. But without a doubt to beat Denver our D will have to bring on their very best games.
10-16-2013, 09:49 PM
Eydugstr

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Originally Posted by brdempsey69

Precisely. I'm sick of hearing about Denver. The matchup with the Donks is still over a month away. The next opponent is Houston & they've struggled as of late and are looking to get back on track & I don't look for them to collapse the way they have the previous two games.

+1. Right now put the gunsights on the Texans. Houston is probably sick of hearing the media go off about Schaub. They're beatable but they still have a good rushing attack. Remember when they came to town and beat us with David Carr at QB?

Screw the donks. We've got a lot of football to be played inbetween now and then. It's not worth it to overlook the Texans, Browns or the Bills.
10-16-2013, 10:09 PM
brdempsey69

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Originally Posted by Eydugstr

+1. Right now put the gunsights on the Texans. Houston is probably sick of hearing the media go off about Schaub. They're beatable but they still have a good rushing attack. Remember when they came to town and beat us with David Carr at QB?

Screw the donks. We've got a lot of football to be played inbetween now and then. It's not worth it to overlook the Texans, Browns or the Bills.

Yes, I remember that game in 2004 when the Texans won at Arrowhead 24-21 and sent the Chiefs to 0-3.

I also just watched a video interview of J.J. Watt and he looks to be snortin' mad, so the Chiefs O-Line better bring their A-game this Sunday.