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Only two guys in the last 5 years have thrown fewer than 12 INTs, been sacked more than 40 times, have a completion % over 61%, have yards per attempt < 7.2...See the below image.
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Oh yeah, Alex Smith has 3 games (80 total) where he has thrown for > 300 yards.
This franchise is so doomed. Retread QB after retread QB.
I can't say I disagree! This is a sad day for the Chiefs world.
Good stuff Ryfo, some more important stats:
-In the last 4 seasons Cassel has 1 more 300 yard game than Smith does.
-Comparing the last 2 seasons with Cassel and Smith they each have identical YPA (dink and dunk)
-Smith is 2-27 against teams that score atleast 24 points.
-Smith averaged 187 ypg under Harbaugh, Cassel 198 in a Chiefs uniform.
He's not a qb who wins games, he reminds me of Matt Cassel. Why in God's name would we trade that much for him?
Oh, and this happened once too...against Andy Reid's Eagles of all teams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_N5TCcAjkQ
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However, Smith's strong numbers in 2012 reflected his abilities on early downs. His third-down Total QBR (33.1) trailed Cassel's (44.5). It's fair to wonder whether Smith will produce as well overall on a weaker team that could face predictable passing situations more frequently.
yup the worst part about this deal . is the fact there was not even that competative of a market for smith and we give up the world to get him. arizaona was interested cle showed some interest. but dorsey and reid gave them 100 bucks when they would have settled for 40. i am more pissed about that than actually having smith on the roster
I wish people would stop comparing cassel and smith. You cant compar their stats when they had diferent personal and systems than each other. You can compare what u want but it wont tell you anything. Smith is atleast twice as good as cassel amd alot smarter then cassel. Smith was drafted # 1 for a reason. Yiu dont just loose that talent. He might not have blossomed as high as he shoukd have but hes heads over heals better than cassel. And im not sold on the qb class this year so i have mixed feelings but i know were better with smith than cassel so im happy about that. Il always liked smith when i watched him play thats not alot kf times though. But im intrigues atleast. Plus giving reid supose to be a qb guru it can only help smith. Just stop comparing the two of them. They played different defenses and toltally diferent coaches systems. If u remember 49ers had def tyoe head coaches when they drafted him. I think coaches hurt him more than anything. Im optimistic about smith and hope he continues to improve.
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He's a conservative checkdown qb, and why we would trade that much for him is just sickening.
Hey maybe be checkdown but doesnt compar to cassel. Id take smith over cassel any day of the year. Cassel sucks in every faucet of the game and smith has alot more tangables.
I would be interested in seeing what the W/L record for all other QBs in the league are after their team has given up 24 points.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Chiefster
Joe Flacco is 14-12.
Get over it, either roll with what the HC and GM do or move on, your crystal ball is no better than theirs in spite of what you think. No use crying before the off season is even really underway and players have not even reported to training camp. No matter how you feel, you are not going to change the management minds, they are going to do what they want to do, you can either live with it or move on to something else. I personally hope all you gloom and doom guys are dead wrong just because I want to see our team win, but if you are not wrong and we suck again the sun will come up every morning and it is not the end of the world.
Just maybe they are trying to get by next year until they can get a QB that suits your needs or maybe they will never get that. But at least they got a #1 pick QB like some people wanted, maybe they don't think any of QB in this draft are any better than him only time will tell.
I am not happy with what they gave up, if they did in fact give up the 2nd round pick plus, but I heard they had to beat what AZ offered.
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I have declared war on this organization before and I will do it again this season.
Hey, he's two wins better than losses, that's one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
Guys look on the bright side already have some faith Reid has success here with QB's and if you look at what Smith has done recently he has been a very good QB...with that said I don't like giving up that much but the Chiefs were stuck and to even remotely compete they needed a QB what the hell were they going to do go with Quinn all year and there is no QB in this draft to start this year or the next 3 for that matter.
So I will hold off on my judgement until they get going again this year...
I wish we could see CANsel play for the 49ers and see him go 12-4 just to prove CANex Smith didn't take the 49ers to the playoffs, the 49ers took CANex Smith to the playoffs
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Originally Posted by Chiefster
No, even if he had a below .500 record in that category it would still show he is capable of winning high scoring games. Captain Checkdown is not capable of that. Sound familiar?
The Kansas City Chiefs are the only team in professional sports who are coming off a 2-14 record and have a "Win now" mentality.
UMMMMM I'm pretty sure every team has a win now mentality and since when is that a bad thing?Quote:
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My point is that I'm willing to bet that most QB's in the league don't have a stellar record against teams that have scored twenty-four or more points against them. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know but that's why I'm interested in knowing.Quote:
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I think there are many Chiefs fans with this mentality. Speaking only for myself I prefer success sooner rather than later, however, I also understand the value of developing a championship team over the course of time. The point I'm making is that the organization's philosophy maybe a reflection of the perceived mentality of the fan base.
I copied this from a copy a guy made from there and so on:biggrin: anyway, from arrowhead pride..........Quote:
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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/2...nsation-chiefs
This is copied and I didn't double check it.
No QBs have winning records, but these are the numbers of other QBs when their team gives up 24 or more excluding the playoffs courtesy of the internet and buffalobills.com member Tbk:
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NFL records, excluding playoffs, here are the corresponding win/loss records of some QBs for reference:
Tom Brady: 29 – 31 (.483)
Flacco: 11 – 12 (.478)
Matt Ryan: 11 – 16 (.407)
A. Rodgers: 11 – 16 (.407)
P. Manning: 35 – 46 (.432)
Drew Brees: 27 – 53 (.337)
E.Manning: 20 – 46 (.303)
Fitzpatrick: 5 – 31 (.139)
A.Smith: 2 – 25 (.074)"
by Brickwall on Feb 28, 2013 | 11:53 AM
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And when you are playing against high scoring offenses in the NFL your qb is going to have to outscore them sometimes. Out of the 27 times teams have scored atleast 24 points Alex Smith has won twice.
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Originally Posted by AkChief49
This is absolutely pathetic. And we gave up so much to get him.
...Good to know, thanks for the info.Quote:
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There is a need for Alex Smith on this team, but don't think he is worth any more then a fourth rd pick. Unless..........................
I really believe there has to be more to the story, maybe , just maybe hes bringing a wr (crabtree) with him.......... One can hope.
I'm not gonna get into how many pics he's worth or not. But i have to ask this. Maybe some currently dont know last year he was the man in regards to comeback wins. Meaning, you can put the team on your back, and will the team to victory. Including the NFCCG. Then some make the argument, he had a stellar defense, and great RB in Gore. I say that is true, but for the defense to prevent points, you have to score to win. And with Smith at the helm, they had the league high 6 wins last year.
He's an upgrade to what we have had over the past few years. Also, since some compare to Cassell. Did he get as far in his first playoff appearance as Alex did. Smith wasnt a backup to Brady and only shined after injury. Smith played a whole season and a half, and was a top 5 QB. I'm just saying we have a proven vet. and most are *****ing about if he or she scores 24 or more points.
Well like i said, even with the stats proven above dont matter if it's 2-27, 5-31, or 11-16. Point is, whenever your team scores 24 or more it's more to do with the defense sucking than the offense. And all those records say the same thing. NO QB does that good, when down 24 pts.
Regardless of how many points I believe that Smith can help lead us back if we are down. As he has shown the past 2 years.
So i'm actually confident going into this year. Shouldnt we all be. I mean unless we foresee another 2-14 season. Then if so, i can see why some would be upset.