I'm secretly rooting for Favre. But I like old dudes still doing it! (Mark Martin fan).
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Nope. I'm saying every good QB would perform poorly here. We have subpar WR's who drop perfectly thrown balls, no running game and one of the worst O lines in the NFL. When you are a QB who is constantly running for your life on almost every down, it's awfully hard to do anything at all.
With what Cassel has to work with in terms of an inept Head coach, and probably the worst OL in the league, he's actually playing better than I expected him to
I think our WR's are at least average if not better, who are you comparing them to? Because Bowe, Chambers,Wade, and Bradley are all pretty decent. Also Cassel is hardly running for his life he just sits there like a statue, he has poor awareness, that's why Thigpen didn't get sacked as much with the same line, and No I AM NOT SAYING THIGPEN IS BETTER.I am honestly starting to believe what all the nay sayers said about Cassel, that he is a system QB. He played good with a good team, he plays bad with a bad team. If you have a brillian Coach like Bellichick and a rediculous WR core like Moss and Welker you could take a dud at QB and make them a stud.
That is what I'm saying. How can you expect Cassel to play at the same level as he did in NE without the weapons? Is he a top flight Qb like a Manning or favre? I don't know. It's too early to say. Do I think he could be a franchise QB if given the proper tools? Yes.
You won't find a bigger Jamaal Charles fan than me. That being said, he would be even more explosive if he had a decent line. The guy is a stud and I have been in the minority here when everyone else was saying he wasn't an every down back or starting RB material.
Our WR's are average. Sorry, but even Bowe is having an average season, which was made worse by his suspension. Chambers is very good, but his years are numbered due to his age. Bowe is ranked 40th in receptions and 41st in yards. Chambers was a short term, good solution.
hahaha being called Brodie Croyle sure is an Insult :lol:
But in all seriousness, Cassel might not be ELITE, but he doesn't turn the ball and thats good enough for me, has shown great arm in both short and long range. Besides, we need to cut him some slack until he learns to play with the 10+ wideouts and TE that play with him.
On the downside he canīt get rid of incoming bandits and seems to have some trouble with clock management.
I like the guy, lets get some talent around him before judging him to harshly.
Cheers
I've gotta admit, at half time of this last game I came on this forum and actually voiced my opinion stating that I hoped they would put Croyle in the game. I was at that critical stage where I was welcoming ANY kind of change from what I was watching! The 2nd half of that game was a great transformation for that team.
Anyways, at half time I stormed out onto my deck and threw some hamburgers on the grill, grabbed a beer and sat out there mumbling and grumbling to myself regarding 'why do I put myself through this every week?'
Burgers got done and I came into the house (I could still hear the game on the TV, but I wasn't in the room watching it).
Low and behold it started to sound like the Chiefs were showing signs of life so I shuffled on up to the living room to watch. Thank god I didn't shut the TV off at half time!
Funny thing is, one of my neighbor's (a die hard Vikings fan that knows that I have the NFL package) showed up in my foyer a little bit after 3 o'clock asking me "Do you have the KC overtime game on?"!!
So he sat here and had a beer with me and watched the victory... I had to ask him a few times, "Now that the Vikings are 9-1, who did they lose to?"
Pittsburgh of course. *-)
Out of the quarterbacks available who would play well here. I hate to tell you this, because I do it call it like see it, prob bowl qb's would look average behind this line. When you don't even have time to take a 3 step drop, dude I know what to tell you. get this guy a legitimate lef ttackle and move mr albert to his natural position then judge cassel. completely absurd to think anyone could be doing better at this given time.
Aaron Rodgers is tearing it up with a worse offensive line than ours.
They've given up 43 sacks to our 37. Maybe not for certain a worse offensive line, but certainly no better.
The guy had a great college career, and sat behind Farve learning for a hundred f'n years, and has a very experienced receiving corps. Quite a bit of difference in over-all experience than what our guy's working with. And Rogers has tanked in some games that he had a chance to win. My wife's a f'n cheese head so I have to watch those :sign0053: 'ers every week. He's good, and I think He'll be great, but he's had his trouble too.
Heh heh, this is funny every day still seeing these 2 threads come up next to each other ("impressed with Cassel", "not impressed with Cassel").
Just posting the same thing in this thread as the other one to keep them together yet again haha. :)
And also wanted to add that I agree about Rogers. He may not be a Favre (yet) but he's always impressed me. Surprisingly a rather high number of people seem to not be so keen on him (perhaps it's due to comparing him to Favre and the fact that GB lost twice to Minne this year) but I think he's pretty good.
Name .........Compl% ...TD/Int QB Rat x-sack
Cassel - .............55% .....12/6 ..77.9 ....34
P. Manning - ....62.1% ....26/15 ..90.7 ....14
E. Manning - ....52.8% ....24/17 ..75.9 ....28
Roethlisberger - 62.7% .....17/9 ..98.6 ....23
Brees - ...........57.6% ....11/15 ..67.5 ....21
Tom Brady - ....62.1% ....28/14 ..85.7 ....31
Rogers - .........64.8% ....19/5 ..102.6 .....43
Favre - ..........60.9% ....19/24 ..72.2 ....30
Pennington - ...63.6% ....13/12 ..82.9 ....25
Ryan - ...........59.3% ....16/12 ..80 ....14
Warner - ........67.7% ....21/18 ..98.3 ....20
McNabb - .........58% ....21/13 ..77.8 ....45
Cutler - .........63.6% ....20/14 ..88.1 ....27
Palmer - ........67.8% ....32/12 .101.1 ....19
Romo - ..........64.4% ....36/19 ..97.4 ....24
Comparable - lesser
While many of these players had excellent second seasons, several, obviously did not.
With the numbers shown, for a second year starting, one could very easily argue that Cassel is better than Drew Brees. That he is better than Bret Favre. Better than Donovan McNabb. And better than Eli Manning.
Obviously...
That is not a real fair way to make the comparisons between Cassel and Favre, or Brees.
Why? Because those guys have played since their second year as starters.
But, Just as that is unfair, it is equally as unfair to compare Cassel to Warner, P. Manning and Romo.
However, it is far more fair than trying to compare him to guys who have had the extra years to improve (Favre/Brees/McNabb/E.Manning) who were no better during their second season as starter.
Now...
I didn't like the trade when it happened. And I will never like the immediate long-term contract that we gave Cassel.
I was one who immediately pointed to his tendancy to hold the ball too long. And yes... He still does have that problem.
But that is something that he can improve upon. And I have been very impressed with what he has done here, considering the horrible atmosphere that we have created for a QB.
Maybe you aren't impressed. That's fine.
But if you maybe look at it from this angle...
Cassel had very good numbers last season, with alot of talent around him. And he was holding onto the ball for far too long then.
If, in two years, we are able to put similar talent around him, to what he had with NE, having spent this season with precious little time to get rid of it, do you think that it is likely that he may actually get used to having little time to get rid of the ball and learn to release it quickly, more often, and prosper?
One might guess that a player with two more years of experience would be able to learn either way. But learning in an atmosphere of alot of pressure, only to go to a less pressure situation would seem to be quite benefitial to that lesson.
Also...
IF Cassel does improve on getting rid of the ball, do you think that improvement will show in his other satistics?
Bottom line...
He is a second year starter with a bad situation. (No OC, no QB coach, terrible blocking, questionable offensive system, questionable recieving corps, lack of a running game, etc.)
If we improve that situation, and allow him time to grow, are you really convinced that he can't be a great QB?
I think those are stats comparing qbs at similar points in their careers
It's the stats for each of those guys during their second season as a starter. Why would you try to compare his second year numbers to Favre's...18th? Warner's 10th and Brees' 8th?
But I'll do ya one better...
How about Favre's 15th season, John Elway's 10th, Johnny Unitas' 6th, Joe Montana's 12th, Terry Bradshaw's fourth...
All of the greats have had their down seasons. More often than not, because of changes around them. Coaches, players, system...
Right now, Cassel has all of those changes around him.
The only legitimate complaint on Cassel right now is that he holds the ball too long.
Experience can often improve that.
When you consider all of the variables that he has going against him (Surrounding talent, availability of coaches, system) I am impressed that he is still on the field, let alone the decent play that he has managed.
I think the only reason he holds the ball so long is because he is trying to make a play. Its not the worst quality to have in a QB!!