With all that said, if we were to take a 3-4 DE in the first round, I'd prefer Fletcher Cox out of Mississippi State.
It also does not support the fact that maybe the runs to the ends are more effective because the Ends are getting sealed off, allowing a blocker to kick out the line backer for a big gain.
Again you guys can try to support Jackson and Dorsey with Stats all you want. But watching them play, and knowing our weaknesses on the defense. I know what I see, and Jackson does make some great plays, but is stood up and pushed back way to freaking easy.
At this point unless someone is going to go back and watch the game again and say Jackson, Gregg and Dorsey's responsibility and then add the yards up it's impossible to say who was really at fault.
You had in another thread earlier that fine what would have happened if Manning had been there instead of Tebow.
The bottom line is that both Dorsey and Jackson are improving. We all want our defense to play lights out but they aren't there yet. I'm not willing to say it's players but I'm not willing to rule that possibility out yet. But to assign the ranking of rushing defense on the front three can't be done.
Secondly, are you watching the correct games / players ( #72 & #94 )? It sounds inflamatory but I mean it quite sincerely, since nothing you stated actually exists. Dorsey does not routinely "get stood up and driven back for 4 yards", nor does TJ - its just not happening, per watching the actual games. Those claims are completely false and have no bearing in reality whatsoever. You can continue to make those claims till you are blue in the face, but it will not make it real. I can only take it that you have something personal against these players or you're going off of second hand info that is incorrect, because its simply not true.
As for the example someone showed, I believe your response shows your bias. The poster clearly shows that the big runs were all to the outside - where your OLBers and CBs, even your flowing ILBs & Ss - should have made the play... not your interior defensive linemen. Yet you want to add those to your 'evidence' pool against GD & TJ, even though they clearly have nothing to do with it. That my friend, is called a bias, and you 'has it'.
Some of the best defensive stops this year, was when they did do their job and DJ blew up the play for either no gain or a loss. They are not complete and total losers. They do make good plays, but they are very inconsistent and Jackson more times than not is easily blocked and stood straight up.
Look, you guys can look up all the stats you want to and try to support this, but my opinion of watching them live every home game since they were drafted is still fresh in my mind. I am very sour about the performances against Oakland and Baltimore last year, as well as the Bills and Donkies games this year. Our offensive line and defensive line looked like high schoolers in all four of those games and I don't care what stats you guys throw out there from an entire season. In those games, against better lines. They were not acceptable. Obviously, you guys are so dead set on supporting average play and are removing Bad plays from Stats to support it. Fine, do what you want, but I am sleeping much better knowing I can watch it from TV every game going forward.
i thought i read were TJ is due 14 mil next year. If thats true he`s not playing so far at a 14 mil level.
I am also biased to DJ who has proven himself to be a pro-bowler, and while you all say it is his fault for not making the plays on the ouside, I have that biased opinion of seeing him make that play more times than none, and when he does not, I see him getting blocked or taken out of the play by someone else.
That being said, I was very furious by the amount of holds that Denver got away with specifically by Beadles holding Dorsey or DJ. Every freaking play. Howeve, that frustration just turned to the defense for not being able to stop them from running regardless of a guy Cheating every play.