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In 2000 they went 10-6. It's not like they were world beaters that next year. They barely made the wild card game and then lost in it.
Either way, they were both good wins. The only time I'd say a win is a big win is if it keeps us in the playoff race, gets us into the playoffs or it's a playoff/super bowl win.
Any playoff-clinching win is bigger than a regular season win, for a team that sits home the postseason.
You have never gotten the sense that he is just trolling?
I realize he is just an over-the-top anti-Pioli Chiefs fan. I do.
But to say you have never gotten that sense from him? Surely you are just being exaggeratively nice about it. :D
I get that feeling from every other comment I see from him. Again.... I know he is not just a troll. But I absolutely get the sense that he is trolling, quite often. :lol:
OK OK i worded something wrong leave it to you to call me out on it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I guess I should have said I don't think he's just a troll he has his opinion and he is not shy about shareing it. There are times I think he is just being a smart A** and makes comments that can be seen as trolling but I don't think he's just here to troll
I still don't understand where the idea that Chiefs have had a bad OL is coming from. Cassel got sacked a lot his first season here. Guess what, he got sacked even more when he started for the Patriots. Charles and the #1 rushing team in the NFL a couple years ago seemed to think the OL was pretty darn good. Moral of the story: Patriots didn't have a bad line, either did chiefs, Cassel just didn't release the ball quick enough and made his OL look bad (he is improving since then though)
We know despite mountaina of data to disprove u....continue to argue ur opinion. You want a qb that averages 13 pts a game, throws one td in 3 games, pioli sucks, tj is a bust, and we only succeed against bad teams.....did i miss something. Oh yeah we are doomed to mediocrity.
Here are a couple of facts that you keep ignoring.
Fact 1 While Orton was in there the offense had the same BIG problem they did with Cassel they could move into the red zone then come to a complete stop and settle for field goal after field goal. Yes the Green Bay game was good but 1 out of 3 games you think that's a good result?
Fact 2. Coaching. What happend the only play Orton had under Haley. It was a silly gimmick play and Orton got hurt. Haley had his imput in the offense and not all the input was good. With Romeo there was not as many people involved with the offense. Orton got to play in that offense Cassel didn't it's apples to oranges. We never saw Cassel play with the coaching makeup that we saw Orton play in those 3 games. We will never no if Cassel could have done what Orton did under the same conditions
Once again HE HAD MORE THEN A WEEK Don't lie about that that's why people think your a troll. He was signed on Nov 22nd first start DEC 18th THATS MORE THEN A WEEK.
And again your ignoring the coaching situation. Don't you think a coaching change has some affect on an offense? Wouldn't you say that's fair to say? I'm not saying Cassel would have been as good as Orton was I'm just saying you can't compare what players did under 2 different Head coaches. Does that sound to unreasonable to you?
Also lets not declare that Cassel will be mediocre with this coaching staff just yet. The new OC turned Reggie Bush from what people would say is mediocre to a 1,000 yard rusher in the NFL. He could do the same with Cassel turn him from mediocre to much better or even help Cassel take a step to being one of the better QBs in the NFL.
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Orton was Questionable because he was put in to the game against the bears was given a stupid gimmick play and got hurt. Since when is it only a week from NOV 22nd to DEC 18th. That's almost a month with his new team. You wonder why people call you a troll? Now NOV 22nd to Dec 18th is " a week if that" ? The game going against the bears he had almost 2 weeks of pratice. He was inactive against the steelers in between when he was claimed to the game against the bears. Stop just making things up to suit your opinion. Nov 22nd to DEC 4 is more then a week and that was to the Bears game not the Packers. Now if you want to say that Cassel had more time with the team ok no problem but don't try to make Orton look like he was just blindly throw in there.
That OC was on a team that fired there coach yes but that coach was going to be fired outside anything but a superbowl. If you recall they went after Jim Harbaugh last year. They had there eyes on Jeff Fisher even before the season began last year. He was dead man walking and everyone knew it. They start 0-7 but they got on a real role. And offense was not the only reason they were 0-7 the TEAM was 0-7 not the offense.
Are you really going to judge Cassel by his 09 year? Really? What QB in the NFL would have done well on that team. That was for the most part the same team that went 2-14 in 08. With a rookie head coach. They beat the then defending superbowl champs that year. They doubled the win total from 08. Under Cassel in 09 they were a whole lot better then they were the 08 season. 2010 The Chiefs were the best team in the AFC WEST. That is a FACT. Point to the "cream puffs" they played but those "cream puffs" beat every one eles in the West at least twice. They didn't beat the Chiefs. Matt Cassel did better against the "cream puffs" then Philp Rivers and Orton and whoever it was with the faiders then. 2011 show me a QB that would not suffer losing the MVP of the offense. Show me a QB that wouldn't suffer losing your biggest Red zone threat. Cassel has to be better then he was last year but he was also not put in that great of a situation you can't ignore that.
I understand you don't like this management and Cassel but you have to give them credit where it is due. This team is a whole lot better then it was at the end of the 2008 season. Cassel is a part of that. We now have a pretty solid O line and are getting our weapons back. If you still think Cassel is the biggest problem this offense has I say go back and watch Tyler Palko.
It is kind of fun when he keeps throwing lies out there!
What offseason practice? Have you already forgotten that there was a lockout last year and a very much shortened preseason?
They started Chad Henne for 3 of those games and he sucked. It took Matt Moore 4 games to get the offense down because he came in as a back-up and he is not much better than Henne. Once he did though, The 'Fins went 7-2. That's a pretty good record. And That OC who got that kind of performance out of Matt Moore now has a real QB to work with.
You seem to ignore the facts surrounding the stats that you "cherry pick" (only counting less than half of a season). You start with a preconceived opinion and then twist stats and facts to support that opinion, or just make up your own facts.
Even if you are going to come to foolish conclusions you should still start with real facts!
Lie #1. He practiced with the team for almost a month. In fact there were only a couple of days were he couldn't practice because of the injury, but he was still AT practice and participated in strategy and game-planning.
Lie #2. You can't really believe playing catch with your receivers a few times during a lockout is the same as a full offseason of organized professional NFL practices, can you?
Lie #3. Daboll is not the reason Mangini got fired. Once Matt Moore learned the offense, the team went 6-3 and averaged 23.9 PPG, scoring 30 or more points in 4 of those games. How is it HIS fault Mangini got fired?
And that's just in ONE post!
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Dang it Roy now I have to keep reading this thread
Look at the season peytpn hilis had under daboll and reggie bush lasy year. U straight up only look at facts to support your opinion where as no one else can have one...but you the all knowing qb and hc guru are. U r cimpletely not objectiive, u argue about as well as my children do. I feel bad for ppl who cant find the postive in anything so crennel and dabol suck now. I cant wait for tjis season to start ur gonma have tk eat crow every sunday and its gonna be flippin awesome.
So all the other time Orton had to practice did nothing for him? Under your logic I can say that about every start by Cassel. He had only a week to get ready for every game he played. With the exception of the games that came after the bye week. Cassel only had a week for prepare for each game he played to. But I am sure since you don't like Cassel that is just an excuse for him.
Yes Cassel had been in KC longer but the thing you ignore time and time again is the coaching change that was made. Cassel always had The OC AND Haley putting there input on the offense. He had to please to many masters. Orton never had a start under those same conditions Cassel never started in the conditions that Orton did with the coaching staff. And once again outside the packers game the offense had the same problem they could get to the redzone but they couldn't get the touchdown. So it's not like all the problems were solved with Orton in there.