I wouldn't mind even drafting Aaron Murray in the 1st round. I don't no if anyone else watches or listens to the Dan Patrick show but Tony Dungy today said he would even take Murray first over all.
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I don't agree with the Geno Smith/Russell comparison at all. It's a lazy comparison that is thrust upon many a black QB out of college. I know that's not what you intended, but it's true of many football fans out there.
Read this article about Geno Smith's work ethic: West Virginia Mountaineers quarterback Geno Smith's focus is solely football - ESPN
If you don't want to read the whole article, here's some quotes:
"First of all, Smith is a football nerd. He did exactly what he wanted to do Saturday night. There's nothing he likes to do more than come into the football building and watch video, except maybe to download game or practice video onto his iPad to take home and watch."
"He's a very intelligent kid," [head coach] Holgorsen said of Smith. "His goal in life, his focus in life, is to learn as much about football as he possibly can. He loves to read. He loves to draw. He's got some hobbies. But I guarantee you, when he's reading and drawing, he's still thinking about football."
"Smith's confidence in his mental acuity knows few bounds. His confidence in his physical ability is not the same. In fact, it is why he pushes himself to study.
"If you look at me," he said, "I'm not one of those guys who strike you as an imposing player (West Virginia lists him at 6-foot-3, 214). I honestly don't think I'm that great of a player. There's pretty much a lot of guys out there more talented than I am. But I understand the game and I'm far ahead of my peers when it comes to that. I know defense like a defensive coordinator. I know offense like an offensive coordinator. It puts me levels ahead of those guys, and 90 percent of the game is mental, which allows me to ... end up with these crazy numbers at the end of the game, because I'm always making the right decision.""
Jamarcus Russell is talented, but the work ethic absolutely was not there. In short, he was a lazy quarterback that was interested in taking illegal drugs.
I don't think anyone in this room will argue that Matt Cassel doesn't work harder than anyone else in the building. The problem is his limitations are physical. Picture a Matt Cassel that busts his butt AND can throw a deep/accurate ball, read a defense, and progress through his WR reads.
Geno Smith has the potential to be a great QB in this league. He could also be a bust. But this team cannot afford to NOT take him IMO. If it doesn't work out, well then back to square 1. But we're never going to move on from being an uncompetitive team without a talented quarterback under center.
But you're simplifying things and just looking at the record. Tim Tebow was 7-4 as a starter last year. Do I want him on my team? Absolutely not.
The Mountaineers are 14th in the nation in scoring w/ 40 points per game. Their defense gives up 40.6 points per game, the 121st worst out of 124 FBS schools.
If your best argument against Geno Smith is his record on a team that is a sieve on defense, then that's more reason we should take him. That's like saying that it's Drew Brees's fault that the Saints are 5-6 this year. Extremely lazy analysis.
If Geno smith is such a football nerd then why he is he taunting opposing teams fans, throwing up game signs and such. A student of the game, one would think, would be more humble. And it's not like he was a mizzou qb going to Kansas. Or Ohio st and Michigan it was Texas. Pretty immature if you ask me what's he going to act like when he's a millionaire then.
I still think we trade down if we can, take ryan nassib or landry jones in round 2, take best players available with xtra piks, increase talent level of team for new regime so they can start winning asap
What other team are in a need of a starting QB through this draft? Jax? Henne has looked good. I would say Philly and Arz but they need O-lineman more than anything.
Not necessarily true. Last year Baylor was 10-3 at the end of the season. With only one game left they're 6-5. What's the major difference?
I was going to say lets look at Geno Smith's play compared to RG3. Both offenses put up monster #'s and both had D's that were sieve's.
Geno Smith
Marshall - allows 43.6 ppg, gave up 69
James Madison - allows 15.5 ppg, gave up 12
Maryland - allows 27.2 ppg, gave up 21
Baylor - allows 38.5 ppg, gave up 70
Texas - allows 28.3 ppg, gave up 45
Texas Tech - allows 31.8 ppg, gave up 14
Kansas St - allows 20.8 ppg, gave up 14
TCU - allows 23 ppg, gave up 38 in OT, 31 in regulation
Okie St - allows 28.4 ppg, gave up 34
Oklahoma - allows 24.8 ppg, gave up 49
Iowa St. - allows 23.3 ppg, gave up 24
7-4....6-1-4 if you want to call the Iowa St. game a tie.
RG3
TCU - allows 23.2 ppg, gave up 50
Stephen F. Austin Jacks - allows 24.9 ppg, gave up 48
Rice - allows 36.1 ppg, gave up 56
K-State - allows 30.4 ppg, gave up 35
Iowa St - allows 32.3 ppg, gave up 49
Texas A&M - allows 31.3 ppg, gave up 28
Okie St - allows 28.2 ppg, gave up 24
Missouri - allows 25.6 ppg, gave up 42
Kansas - allows 47.7 ppg, gave up 31
Oklahoma - allows 24.8 ppg, gave up 45
Texas Tech - allows 42.8 ppg, gave up 66
Texas - allows 23.2 ppg, gave up 48
9-3 in the regular season
So the major difference was their record. Baylor last year was 10-3 and this year they're 6-5. They're basically playing the same people as last year, a few powder puff games and then the Big 12. West Virginia is doing the same this year and they're 6-5.
Both offenses put up monster #'s but their records are horribly different. The big difference is that Baylor had a leader, an "it" guy that lead them to the win in RG3. I just don't see that with Geno Smith.
Not only that but we've seen a player that's got all the NFL tangibles but would throw fits when his team wasn't playing as well as they should be. His name is Josh Freeman and he's been sucking it up after coming in and looking....average his first year.
I'll pass on Geno AND Barkley. I'd rather aim for McCarron (who ISN'T Croyle 2.0) or Tyler Wilson from Arkansas.
We can put these guys up on a pedestal if we want but the bottom line that this is a 22 yr old kid. If you can seriously sit there and tell me that you knew a 22 yr old kid that never did stupid things I've got a shiny new $100 bill here for you.
Not excusing it, just saying young kids do stupid things. Eventually they grow up and grow out of it.
Geno looks better but it's a little early, wait for combine to decide
Yep. Qb is definetly our biggest hole. But our lines aren't far behind. Both lines. I said this 4 years ago. BUILD THE LINES FIRST! Whatever qb we decide on, he needs some protection.
That said, I say trade out of our first pick grab McClarren, Wilson, or Bray - whoever - later in the 1st round, and use our extra picks to build these lines. For this to happen, we'll have to bring in a GM/Coach with the savvy to get this done!
I feel like the offensive line apologist for this site, but this O-line is tops in the league. ProFootballFocus has the Chiefs having the 4th best line: Offensive Line Rankings: Week 10 Update | ProFootballFocus.com
I consistently watch (and re-watch on NFL Game Rewind) and see the line blocking well. It takes a beating by the casual observer when our QBs (Cassel especially) are back there, the first read is covered, and they have no idea what to do.
This is also worth a re-post (also from ProFootballFocus)...
Cassel takes the 7th longest among all QBs to get rid of the ball (on average 2.83 seconds). However, he has the 5th best number in the amount of time it takes before he is sacked (3.78 seconds). This says a lot about how well the line is doing, despite the poor QB play.
Simply put, when you have a QB who can't go through his progressions, it's a recipe for disaster when his first read is covered.
I thought that this line would get destroyed by Von Miller with backup LT Donald Stephenson plugged in. Miller ended up with 1 sack and no other QB hits.
I agree with you about the O-line although we do still need depth. This can be addressed through FA or late round project picks.
My bigger question is what do you think about the D-Line? Let's assume that Dorsey is gone and Jackson restructures. That'd leave us with (Bailey, Powe) for RDE, Poe at NT and Jackson at LDE. Do we still need more top tier (read 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks) for the D-line? We started to get to Peyton but that's simply because as you or someone else said earlier our secondary put a blanket over Denver's WR's.
Poe will be in his 2nd year so I'm good with keeping him. Put Powe as his back up. Jackson has been good with the rush and can take up a double team but even with our LB's don't seem to get to the QB enough. Bailey seems to be the same even though this is his second year. Do we let these guys have time to grow together? Are we at depth filling time too(4th - 7th rounders or FA)?
To me we need another guard in the 3rd or 4th. Someone that can step in if/when our guys go down. This patchwork we have going on now (getting an UFA from Iowa State off waver wires?!?) isn't going to work long term. Same goes with our D-line unless Shaun Smith stays I think we need more depth.
Teo has been tearing it up. I'd LOVE to see Belcher finally replaced and then we'd be pretty much set in our LB'er core for years to come. Pick up a QB or trade our two 3rds to get back into the first to get our new QB. So here's my thoughts...IF no QB really asserts himself as a top tier guy that should go first.
1st - Teo
2nd/trade back into 1st - Wilson
3rd/4th (Hopefully we have one third left) - best guard available.
5th - best WR available
6th - best WR available
7th - best fullback available
A QB does assert himself as top tier guy:
1st - best QB
2nd - best WR
3rd - best WR available
3rd- best CB available
4th - best guard available
5th - best safety available
6th - best fullback available (yes in the 6th!)
7th - best guard available
Thoughts?
I think you bring back Shaun Smith. He can pretty much play anywhere. I don't think you use another early pick on a 3-4 DE though. Next year is the time when guys like Bailey and Powe will have to step up. They've had 2 years to groom now. You take these guys in the mid rounds for a reason, and that's to groom them to take over someday (but obviously not right away).
I would like to see some sort 3rd down situational pass rusher at the DE position though. We get none of that with what we have.
Also lets not get to excited until the combine is done. T'eo could have a terrible bowl game and a terrible combine, same thing with all these QBs.
I would love to see Manti haev a terrible bowl and or combine. Only so that his stock will drop, making it easier for us to try and grab him. LOL.
Honestly, I dont care what his combine numbers are, he has that IT factor! It shows in the game footage. When it is crunch time he is blasting through the line making plays.
We are 1-10. Both of these lines SUCK.
A G/C combo would definitely be preferred. I just kind of figured by default that's the type of guy we'd get.
But I do disagree about the need for two WR's. I'd say the odds are higher then not that Bowe leaves after this year. That leaves us with a 3rd year WR that hasn't shown a lot (for a variety of reasons). Breaston...well who the heck knows what is going on with Breaston. After that we have unproven commodities. We've GOT to try to find a #1 WR and to me that takes two picks. Heck maybe we get lucky and get a #1 AND #2 out of it and make Baldwin try to step up. Past Bowe there's not a whole lot of depth though.
Neither Barkley of Smith will make it as a NFL qb. Ala Leinert/Young. Watch - you'll see.
I'd be down with that. Someone to replace Jackson on 3rd downs. Heck that might even help Jackson out by giving him more breathers.
I know that in a 3-4 the D-line's job is to take up blocks but when our LB'er rushs it looks like we've got a bad 4-3 line. The question I have is just how import are sacks to a team? You'd think that they're very important and would indicate how often you get pressure on the QB. I thought so too until I went back and found this.
Year Record Sack position Coach
2002 8-8 11th Vermeil
2003 13-3 19th Vermeil
2004 7-9 32nd Vermeil
2005 10-6 29th Vermeil
2006 9-7 26th Edwards
2007 4-12 17th Edwards
2008 2-14 6th Edwards
2009 4-12 17th Haley
2010 10-6 17th Haley
2011 7-9 23rd Haley
2012 1-10 27th Crennel
In the Vermeil era I know we just outscored opponents so I can deal with that. But just how important are sacks? I'd be curious to look at team that has done good in sacks and see where they land in terms of a record.
It makes me wonder when our best year for sacks (2008) was our worst record (barring us finishing 1-15 this year).
That's part of the reason we need a 3-4 DE that can get at the passer (a la JJ Watt). Granted Watt is a physical speciment of his own and is a once in a blue moon type prospect. I think it's easy for teams to chip Houston or Hali though w/ a RB and completely eliminate our pass rush since nobody else can get at the QB.
I'd rather go back to 4-3 D
I can answer that. The Chiefs Defense only had 10 sacks in 2008. The numbers posted are wrong regarding 2008. Here is the correct numbers.
Kansas City Chiefs Stats at NFL.com
did you know geno smith is only the 10th best rated QB according to the ncaa, barkley is 14th?
just wondering, what does everyone think we should do with our offense, stay with the two TE sets, or go back to a I form FB and RB sets?
the way we are passing, the wing T
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Teo has been tearing it up. I'd LOVE to see Belcher finally replaced and then we'd be pretty much set in our LB'er core for years to come. Pick up a QB or trade our two 3rds to get back into the first to get our new QB. So here's my thoughts...IF no QB really asserts himself as a top tier guy that should go first.
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Well thanks..looks like we are replacing Belcher!!!!
NOt cool dude...
I know it's just KU, but Geno was nuts today: 23/24, 407 yards, 3 TDs and a pick. Can we just put him on the team now to get a head start on next year?