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the only 2 things i don't like about wilson is his throwing motion/wind up. And his concussion history. Other than that the kid is a stud. And if he shines in all pre-draft fields and we can coach him up a little bit then i' ok with taking him #1 for sure.
I'd be willing to give up the top pick for Cousins if we believe he is better than any of the QBs in the draft. Strong QB play is imperative for Reid's system so if Cousins is our best option we should go after him.
We still have the Combine to see how they really perform to the group. I would like to see Aaron Murray declare first before I make a judgement.
When do I get my plaque with my 3000th post? :lol:
It was probably some BS post like, "yeah, I think Pioli sucks too..."
I wouldn't trade our number 1 pick straight up for him but I'd be willing to part with it if we believe Cousins is the guy. In any case, I think we need to make QB our top priority even if that requires us to give up a lot in a trade or make a reach on a draft pick.
I like what draft guru @ryanlownes says:
"Geno Smith shows anticipation deep, accuracy & velocity in short-intermediate range, and poise in the pocket. That's a lot to work with."
"Is he Andrew Luck or RGIII? No, but once upon a time Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers were seen as incomplete prospects with 1st Rd promise."
One it needs to stop. If we take a qb with the number one overall pick that means this person is it, THE LEADER OF OUR FRANCHISE! There were warnings with the Jamarcus russels of the draft. Hints that they may not be able to be th guy that were ignored because the QB is the most valued position and they were overlooked because hey they had the talent. Being THE GUY isn't talent alone. I'm sorry that I can't stress this enough.
However immature it was. The mere fact that Geno smith so easily threw up a hand sign that young men his very age die over should be enough. It is not the action of a true leader it is the action of a coward. Jamarcus russel had all the tools also and people were in love with his physical potential but the signs were there. If a drunk fan in Austin Texas can get that kind of rise out of a kid that was a Heisman hopeful so he knew exactly that image means everything can do what he did I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you don't understand the importance of that gesture. Ryfo i respect your opinion and love to read your analysis and thoughts. You are flat out wrong here. The blood gangs sign represents nothing but hate and fear. Young men lose there life over it. I have seen it personally and it is something that can not be tossed aside lightly.
And how many seasons did Aaron rodger sit on the bench and no offense Matt Ryan this far has choked when it counts the most. Geno will not have this luxury he will be expected to be the guy.
Just throwing out ideas. What about next years 1st? Hopefully it will AT LEAST be a mid round pick.
What about a conditional pick for Cousins? If he doesnt start x number of games, they get next years 2nd round pick, if he does start more than that, they get next years 1st round pick instead.
What about a similar deal (maybe a lesser offer, though) for Flynn?
Guys! Kirk Cousins???? REALLY??? He's given us LESS of a sample size than Matt Cassel. Cousins came in for what, A game and performed above expectations... sound like any Matt Flynns you might know? Cousins was a 5th round pick for a reason. He's NOT Tom Brady, y'all. The offseason hasn't even started yet and y'all wanna pay a 1st round pick for this guy?
Someone at LEAST throw up an evaluation and explain why he's even REMOTELY worth MORE than the 5th rounder Washington payed for him last year. If we're giving up high draft picks for a player from last year's draft, I'd want the kid in Denver who sat behind Peyton... not the kid who sat behind a rookie QB who possesses a completely different skill-set.
The sample size is small but to come in the final seconds of a game when you have to get a TD and a 2 pt conversion is clutch. To start a game Washington HAD to win and play extremely well is also clutch. Now I'm not saying trade for a first but he obviously has talent. If we were to trade down a few spots pick up an extra second rounder I have no problem trading one for him.
Sure but I'm sure similar has been done before and turned out to be the highlight of a career. I like the idea of Cousins myself as well but a first is definitely reaching unless our staff has seen something which shows he absolutely deserves that much in trade. In fact I think a second is reaching too at this point, definitely this years second.
I have to agree with Texas on this one. Cousins is not worth near what is being talked about we should give for him. What if all anyone had on Brady Quinn was his game against the Panthers this year? what would he be worth?
Its all system and Washington has a damn good one. Case and point with pulling a QB from a successful system. Cassel - enough said, Kolb - even worse because they gave up more, Flynn - pretty sure he is a 3rd stringer now with a 3rd round rookie starting.
People don't want to over pay for a QB in the 1st round, but they'll overpay for a guy like Cousins who is one year removed from being a 4th round pick?
This would be silly. He played 1 game well against a team that had no tape of him. I agree with TexasChief...silly idea.
First off, Cousins was NOT a 5th round pick. He was taken at the top of the 4th round & there's no way he should have fallen that far.
Secondly, I never suggested a 1st round pick. I said a 2nd round pick (#34 overall ), which they may use to take a QB at that spot anyway. Cousins would be a better value for that pick than anybody they can draft there & certainly has as much talent, plus some NFL seasoning to boot.
The comparisons to Cassel, Flynn, etc. are pure BS. This guy can play in the NFL as a full-time starter. I watched him in the pre-season and when he filled in for RG III in the regular season. He led the game winning drive the week before his first full-game start in Cleveland. Without him, the Skins don't make the playoffs. He clearly has Rich Gannon type ability, and who wouldn't want that type of QB in a Chiefs uniform?
Doesn't make any difference who he played behind. Curtis Painter sat behind Manning in Indy for several seasons & where is he now?
My point is, Cousins should have been drafted by Denver as Mannings understudy, not Osweiler. Cousins was the better prospect coming out. The Donks were enamored with Osweiler's size, and took him, but Cousins was the better football player. The Skins were in disbelief when Cousins was still on the board at the top of the 4th round ( they didn't have a 2nd or 3rd round choice due to the RG III trade ).
This is precisely why I've been saying a 2nd round pick in exchange for Cousins -- NO MORE !! That is a fair offer to the Skins as Cousins will eventually play out his rookie contract & sign elsewhere. And the Chiefs would only have to pick up Cousins rookie contract & if he proves to be the guy, then you pay him the big dollars. Not hand him a big contract right off like Pigoli did with Cassel.
BRD - You are correct he was the 7th pick in the 4th round, the 102nd pick of the draft. You are also correct he would be better than a QB with the 34th pick in this draft maybe even better than any QB in this draft period, at least he was able to play one game in the NFL where no QB in this draft my ever be able to do, we just do not know. There is no way in he11 we should give up what they are asking for him.
FOURTH-ROUND SELECTIONS
1. (96) St. Louis: Chris Givens, Wake Forest WR
2. (97) Miami (from Indianapolis, via San Francisico): Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.) RB
3. (98) Baltimore (from Minnesota): Gino Gradkowski, Delaware G
4. (99) Houston (from Tampa Bay, via Philadelphia): Ben Jones, Georgia C
5. (100) Cleveland: Travis Benjamin, Miami (Fla.) WR
6. (101) Denver (from Jacksonville): Omar Bolden, Arizona State CB
7. (102) Washington: Kirk Cousins, Michigan State QB
The more clips I've seen of Tyler Wilson, the more I like him over Geno. Throws very accurate under pressure, and has quick feet if needed.
Tyler Wilson vs LSU 2012 - YouTube
I say pick Tyler over Geno or Barkley at this point. Mainly because of Tyler's ability to get himself out of trouble, which is bound to happen with a team trying to adjust to a new coach.
If Nassib falls to the second round, snag him, too. It fits with what Reid's done in Philly, he always tried to keep depth at QB.
That's right. We should not give up what they are asking for him. But, the Skins aren't going to part with Cousins with any time soon, regardless, because RG III is so injury prone. I believe after today's game against Seattle, one can scratch any hope of the Skins letting Cousins go. They think he's too valuable to them, and they are right.
Eydugstr is right about Tyler Wilson. He is a very good QB prospect. Big question is where will teams have him rated come draft day in April. It is known that Wilson was a victim of circumstance in 2012 through no fault of his own & still put up decent numbers.
We'll see how it plays out.
I agree. Look at the Sam Bradford scenario back in 2010. He missed most of his college season in 2009, but rocketed to the top of the draft board come April of 2010. St. Louis has no regrets about taking him at #1 overall.
If you need it, you draft it, and like you said the Chiefs QB situation is insanely dire.
And what I liked in the vid posted by Eydugstr, is Wilson's pocket presence. He shows great poise and awareness. And he can throw that football better than anybody the Chiefs have right now -- it's not even close.
I'm hoping that Reid & the new GM don't get cute and try trading down, only to watch every qb prospect go to someone else. That would really put us in a bind.
Yeah, Nassib's probably going to the Bills. Fans there don't seem to be too happy with Fitzgerald, so it makes sense that it'd happen. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'd still like to see KC make a serious effort at solving it's problems by drafting more than one guy to fill its needs.
Exactly what I've been suggesting. Double-dip at the QB position in the draft this coming April. Never before have they done this that I'm aware of & now is the perfect time.
Not saying that they may not have other needs, but QB is the biggest one. Fix that first.
Thanks for the vid of Tyler Wilson, BTW. He very well could rise up the Chiefs draft board.
We still have enough needS to take the best player at #1 and 2QBs w/next 2 picks
Geno Smith to the raiders. His blood sign throwin', middle finger flippin', gang thug spewing mouth should fit right in there. Why anybody in the Chiefs Kingdom would want to bring ANYBODY into this organization that supports drugs, gang violence, and murder is beyond my comprehension.
Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.
Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.
Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.
The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.
"On November 21, 2008, Newton was arrested for the theft of a laptop computer from another University of Florida student. He was subsequently suspended from the team after the laptop was found to be in his possession.[10] Campus police "tracked the stolen laptop to the athlete...Newton tossed the computer out his dorm window in a humorously ill-advised attempt to hide it from cops."[11] All charges against Newton were dropped after he completed a court-approved pre-trial diversion program. "I believe that a person should not be thought of as a bad person because of some senseless mistake that they made," said Newton in 2010. "I think every person should have a second chance. If they blow that second chance, so be it for them."[12] Newton announced his intention to transfer from Florida three days before the Gators' national championship win over Oklahoma.[8]" - Cam Newton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Obviously this is evidence of the kind of person Cam Newton has turned out to be, eh? He definitely shouldn't have gone first overall...
Again, any isolated incidents of Geno Smith being arrested or having trouble w/ the law? For a gang banger, I'm sure there are tons of examples.
Now accepting any and all evidence that shows that Geno Smith is indeed involved in a gang.
Not like the Chiefs wouldn't interview him as well as character witnesses before they took him 1st overall. I'm sure they are just to also be under the assumption that Geno is in fact a gang banger b/c he flashed a gang sign.
Y'all are fools.
I agree. People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Once he meets with NFL people & they tell him "quit that", I doubt it'll be an issue, ever again.
It's what Andy Reid thinks of him come draft day that counts. Just about every draft board out there has Geno rated in the top 15 as far as BPA, and QB's always shoot up the board come draft day. If Geno is the guy that they want, then I don't believe they can risk moving down. Jacksonville might very well like Geno well enough to take him at #2.
No question that Geno is the top rated QB at this point, but I'm keeping an open mind to Tyler Wilson as well. Wilson might be the better pro than Smith when it's all said & done.
You are showing ignorance of the "isolated" incident. Kids die every day over that sign dude. They get shot. They don't get oh he being heckled, they get shot. Seen it happen, have you. You sit in suburbia or away from this scene and act as if it was just an incident. Had Geno flipped the bird or mooned the texas fans it would be different.
If this sign is relatively meaningless to you and those that say its just an incident. Then to flash it in a low income neighborhood. i know for a fact you won't have the balls to go throw it a neighborhood where people know that sign. Come on its just a sign and he only threw it once and if you believe that I have some magic beans for sale.
Go to my profile page there is a pic, top right corner. If you can figure it out go flash and tell the people that take offense to it you flashing it was a "one time incident"
This is exactly what's wrong with this country. You are defending someone who did something and represents something that has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of young men. How in the hell did he learn it then? I know who taught me and I wouldn't flash that sign for a thousand dollars in a public place .
YW, No prob. In the day & age of youtube there's no excuse for picking somebody because of mock draft hype or school.
Wilson looks like he'd be a good fit for KC. His style of play looks like he can improvise and think on his feet when things break down. But I guess the next big question would be, is he a Reid type of qb?
All I'm asking is for proof that him flashing that sign makes him a gang member. Am I to believe you? Or the many people surrounding Geno that will back up his work ethic/character and the fact that he's never had a run in with the law?
What it boils down to is you having one thing to pick on. The guy made a mistake, and by all means it will mean that teams do extra homework on him. If nothing turns up, then I don't see it as any reason at all not to take him at #1 overall. You want to crucify the guy over flashing a gang sign to 1000 relentless heckling fans. As long as the Chiefs do their homework and have no reason to believe he's a high risk for bad behavior (and again, him never getting in trouble w/ the law would also indicate this), then it's nothing.
We as normal citizens don't have proof other than what he's showed us in that 1 time event. Could there be more once teams start digging deeper? maybe, maybe not. Does it mean he's involved with a gang? Again maybe, maybe not. Come the background and interviews that will be determined later. But the issue that I have with it is you can throw up any sign, hell any other gang sign, any other area code or county sign that people have. but the BLOOD sign is big dude, i can't even explain how big it is to throw that sign. I'm trying to think of an example, Say for instance we have our military salute, and other countries have theirs, but then you have the nazi salute. Which everyone knows what it means and what it stands for, the bloods sign to me would be on that level of seriousness. Now if we do our homework on him, he passes with flying colors, and he grows up and shows that he can grow up and we determine he is the guy, then fine lets take him, but i want every rock uncovered before we do.
As far as your comparison with cam newton, that kid was a punk all thru college, cheating, getting paid, and still being a punk in NFL throwing team and others under the bus and not being a leader at all. DO NOT WANT, i've never liked cam newton always thought of him as a selfish prick. And so far he's not doing anything to prove me otherwise. Can he get straightened out? maybe but would i want my team to take that risk? nope
i never once said he IS involved with a gang, all i've said is he has that thug attitude and threw up a gang sign that has troubled this country for how many years? how many people have died for and because of that gang sign? how much drugs corruption and murder is responsible for that sign? It's bad man it's really really really bad and dumb sign to throw, and you dont' just throw it because your wound up. Anybody that has a clue about that sign would NEVER throw it up publicly without either A) being stupid as **** or B) being tied up in it.