For those of you saying Geno is "inaccurate" and most of his completions are from short easy passes, read this.
Geno Smith: A Tale in Accuracy - Arrowhead Pride
I will also say that i don't like the joekel pick, i hope brandon's back is fine and we can resign him, i hope we sign bowe, and if we are curious about albert at all then just franchise him and see how he plays this year and see how the back plays out. But if there is any question at all his back becomes and issue like gaither's and he will only be a shadow of his former self then we take joekel.
My endorsement on QB would be Barkley, or Wilson. Both have played and succeeded against some of the best defenses in NCAA and both are very smart. Wilson obviously has the size and arm advantage, but barkley has the smarts and style advantage. I see wilson being a great QB, he handles pressure well, strong armed and is pretty smart with the football.
I see barkley as great to elite QB in this league. He's smart as hell, he's been groomed since a child to play this game, his mechanics are perfect, he's a general on the field, calls plays at the line and checks in and out of plays depending on the defese ala peyton manning, barkley also plays the chess game at the LOS, which i did not know about until recently, that kiffin gives barkley free control of the offense when they get to the line of scrimmage to call plays or change the plays. Wish barkley was a bit bigger, but he's got everything else. He can make EVERY throw that any other QB in this draft can make, he's accurate in the pocket and on the run, he's got great touch on his passes and he can rifle them in when needed. I've just watched alot of tape on him and like him alot i think he could be really special especially in a WCO that is similar to what he's run all his college career and like what reid will run.
Albert is not worth $6M MORE than Joekel. If any of Barkley, Wilson, or Murray could be available in the 2nd or for an inexpensive trade-up back into the 1st round, then I think saving the extra cash and upgrading at the LT position is a no-brainer at #1. The Browns did the same thing in '07. They "missed out" on the great JaMarcus Russell so, they went LT at #2 and then traded back into the 1st to take Quinn just before the Chiefs took Bowe.
If the Browns had the #1 pick, do you think they would've been better off with the "can't miss" JaMarcus Russell or Joe Thomas? Same thing applies to the Chiefs... except, as of right now, there isn't a "can't miss" QB prospect in this draft. The Chiefs have a tight cap situation, have questions about the future of their current LT and have the opportunity to draft a great replacement while saving $6M/yr in the process while still having an opportunity to draft one of the top 4 (interchangeable) QBs in the 2nd round.
Murray already said he's going back to georgia so he's out.
Joekel may be just as good as albert he may not, if alberts back is 100% and no other issue yes i would rather spend 6m more for him as he is proven and a stud and already fits with our guys, he only allowed 1 sack this whole season until he got hurt. He's a beast and at the tops in this league at his position, Now i'm not saying we shouldn't look into joekel if there is any doubt in albert's back then yes we let him walk and we get joekel.
My honest scenario's is we are able to trade back into the teens and pick the QB that best fits us that is left, and we acquire another 2nd and pick up a LB and a CB in the 2nd. All this hinging on albert's back being ok though.
I know letting albert walk will save 6m against the cap but honestly for a PROVEN LT it's worth it, we can make up the 6m in other places, like letting jackson walk, restructure cassel, sign bowe instead of tag him, hillis and quinn are walking, I think we'll be okay with gray and draughn behind charles until later. Sign dorsey to a cap friendly deal.
If we don't take a Qb at #1 i hope your right and we do trade back into the 1st but like you said it would require alot!
You know the math and points of the draft better what would it take for us to move back into the teens? 20 at the highest?
I think if we pass on geno i think he goes to the raiders, and i think barkley goes to the cardinals, and wilson is the crap shoot i still think he may go before #20 though.
To move into the teens, it'll cost our 2nd, 3rd, and 5th. I think we only make a move if it's to the 20s. That may only cost our 2nd and a 4th.
but as much as we say there is no value in a QB at our #1 is there a QB worth the value of giving up those picks for?
I'm starting to think we take a QB prospect in the 3rd to compete with cassel, and look to future drafts when we can get a QB hopefully where we will be drafting in the high teens or 20's.
Okay, I want everyone's opinion on this.
Matt Ryan is widely considered to be a great QB on the verge of becoming elite, which will probably happen if he beats the 49ers and makes the SB. He's been productive just about every year, just chokes in the playoffs. Much like Peyton Manning.
Even so, is there anyone feels like Jake Long, the guy who went #1 overall in 2008 would be better than Matt Ryan, who went two picks later? Miami decided to go with the veteran for short-term success, rather than the franchise guy, and where has that gotten them? Well, now they have Tannehill, but Ryan is, obviously, a sure thing.
It just boggles my mind to see people on here want to do the same thing, rather than take a potential franchise QB. Again, I know there's risk, but this team will continue to be bad-mediocre unless we get a franchise QB. A LT isn't going to change anything.
i agree that it blew up in miami's face but we can't play devil's advocate here, Atlanta has had a GREAT o-line and solid LT, who's to say ryan would go to miami and do what he has done with the falcons, he could have just been beaten to pulp behind a bad o-line, instead miami went with the LT to get the line secured, they just never stepped up and took the franchise QB until tannehill, who knows how he will turn out as he also doesn't have the weapons on the edge like ryan did/does.
I would have killed to get matt ryan and i wanted him until we lost that damn coin toss!
But the thing is, none of these QB's in this draft really compare to ryan, the only 2 that might would be wilson and bray. Wilson i don't think is as smart as ryan was, and bray is to much of a headcase. I already feel that ryan is elite, if people consider manning elite then i consider ryan elite.
We can't always just sit back and compare 2 different teams and say what if, since they have different holes and different weapons, the falcons fit ryan perfectly and they've done the perfect job getting the weapons that elavate his game to elite. Miami did a good thing with Long but they didn't build on that, they switched coach after coach and just screwed it all up.