Mcnabb is a hell of a lot better player. Smith had a godsend of a team and coaching staff to mask his weaknesses.
By the way, you are talking about YPA, not YPC.
Friday will be the time to see what Alex Smith has against a legit defense.
No I was using the average yards per complition do the math yards/completions
http://www.nfl.com/player/donovanmcn...44/careerstats a lot of those seasons it was rounded up
So by your judgement he was nothing more then anther Cassel right dink and dunk. Mcnabb career average is under 7 yards per completion. So tell me he's noddle arm Cassel 2.0
Smith isn't going to air the ball out because that's not the offense Andy Reid runs. It's the point you ignore time and time again.
And also keep in mind Mcnabb got Andy Reid who turned out to be a good head coach
Smith got Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary who turned out to be horrible head coaches so Mcnabb had a better sitution then Smith unless you can finally name me someone who played well under Nolan/Singletary like I have asked time and time again
I said he would have had 450 if not for penalties <--- what part of that didn't you get?
One can easily explain his numbers in SF -- especially the 300 yd passing games. It's because of the type of Offense they've ran throughout his time in SF and the crummy coaching staffs and lack of team support that he had. BTW, CK only had one 300-yard passing game after he took over & they lost that game in the SB. 300-yard passing games don't always equal victories and is way overrated.
Smith also has had a 30-10 TD-INT ratio over the last 2 seasons. He's not a turnover machine like Cassel was.
Here's something that shows my point about yards not being everything last year the niners forced 25 turnovers that creates a short field and limits the need for yards the offense has to get. The niners also had a good defense that gets stops creating field position and thus limits the yards the offense needs Not getting a lot of yards doesn't mean the qb sucks all the time more so when the defense of a team is good
We have already seen this movie. The Chiefs had a quarterback who had a good rating with 27 tds on the year, yet threw for 207 yards per game. What happened? We ended up getting blown out in the playoffs. YPC aside, if we don't have a qb who can throw for a lot of yards we aren't going to win. You have to realize Smith has had only ONE 300 yard game the past 1.5 seasons. That my friend is frightening.
Who cares about Cassel's numbers in 2010. That was against the biggest cream-puff schedule that the Chiefs ever played in their history. They didn't beat one single team with a winning record that season. Look what happened in the final 2 games of that season at Arrowhead against the Raiders and the Ravens. Everybody knows Cassel's numbers in 2010 were a fluke.
Smith, on the other hand, picked right up in 2012 where he had left off in 2011. Cassel illustrated in both 2011 and 2012 that 2010 was a fluke.
AWWWW this bs again so useing this standard of yours
Peyton Manning sucks he had that great ol Marrvion Harrison, Reggie wayne,Dallas clark ,Edgrin games he had a great team around him So Peyton Manning SUCKS
Joe Montana had the greatest WR to play to game so he SUCKS as does Steve Young
Troy Aikman had those great Cowboys teams around him so He sucks
Tom Brady has always had a good team around him so He SUCKS
Why is it that you only use this standard for guys you don't like? What a QB does well with a good team around him WELL DUH You went on and on about Geno Smith he had the best WR in the country with him in Travon Austin. Funny how that doesn't lead you to think he sucks
Add to that most recently that Matthew Stafford has passed for over 5000 yards the past two seasons, but it hasn't made Detroit one of the elite teams in the NFC, now has it? It's starting to sound like MMH is more concerned with fantasy football numbers than anything else & the comparisons of Smith and Cassel are from a fantasy football standpoint, certainly not from the standpoint of how each guy plays QB on the football field.
Let's make it simple since you two don't seem to understand that yards from the quarterback impact the game and put your team in scoring range.
A quarterback like Alex Smith who doesn't throw for yards or touchdowns is considered a what ________?
Talk about going too far. I didn't say quarterbacks that have a good team around them suck, I said Alex Smith needs a good team to succeed.
He needs all the right pieces in order to do well. On the other hand you have a qb like Peyton Manning, who picks up FA WR in the middle of the year and they are still contenders.
TOP 10 YDS/GAME QBS
drew brees, Stafford, Romo, Brady, Ryan, Peyton Manning, Luck, Rodgers, Freeman, Palmer so that means freeman and palmer are nearly as good as Rodgers and you would rather have room than brady???????...................................... the bottom 10 QBS are RGIII, Fitzpatrick, henne, tannehill, cutler, cassell, locker, Wilson, sanchez, ponder, Smith so this means Russell Wilson is the 3rd worst QB in the NFL ??????
I never said yards have 0 impact. What I have said is yards are not EVERYTHING like you're making it out to be. You are using one area to talk on to compare Smith to Cassel. You IGNORE the td/int ratio you IGNORE the QB rating smith has had under good coaching. You IGNORE the win loss record Smith has over the last couple of years. You use 1 area to say see he's like Cassel Your blind hate is clear.
Only for QBs you don't like do you make having a good team around him into a negative. Peyton Manning has always had good WRS around him. Yes he has made some look better but so did having all the weapons around him. When Peyton had Reggie Wayne Marrvion Harrison Dallas Clark that's who the d would be focused on so guys like Peirre Garcon would get open. Peyton Manning and every QB I noted had good teams around them but I don't here you saying that in a negative light. Yet anther Double Standard of yours.There are your rules for guys you like then there are the never good enough standards for the guys you don't like. You keep proving me right that Alex Smith will never be good enough for you it will always be Ya but
Nope he wasn't but at the end of the day the fact is he has as many super bowl rings as Peyton Manning and he has more then Dan Marino so tell me again how are yards everything?
Yards are the only thing you have been going ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT . The QB rating TD/INT Ratio has been brought up you have IGNORED this over and over again The win loss record smith has had when he got a real head coach has been brought up you IGNORED this as well All you have done is compare his yards to Cassel you have ignored the other factors
Marvion Harrison retired well no team signed him after he was somehow involed in a shooting,
BOOM 1 weapon gone
Tony Dungy retired
The O line got old like what happened in KC
Dallas clark got injured the season between luck and manning and missed a number of games
The OC that helped make Peyton Manning what he was left.
Yep they had the same team allright
I gave you a reason that played a factor in his yards not being high There D created short fields and took the ball of course since you don't like Smith the D being good means he sucks
WTF Harrison was gone in 2009.
They had a good offensive coach in Jim Caldwell. The same Jim Caldwell who took over the offense for Baltimore, who won the super bowl.
Dallas Clark played in 11 games.
They still had Wayne and Garcon.
Anyone can see that Peyton Manning made Indy. What was their record before he got there? What was it the year that he left in 2011?
And no one can answer this question:
Why hasn't Alex Smith thrown for many yards or touchdowns per season? Is he that limited?
Caldwell proved not to be a good head coach. Dungy was the MUCH better head coach. There's a difference between being a good offensive coach and being the Head coach. For example Romeo good dc horrible HC.
You ignored the O line issue as well as the OC issue.
Harrison was better then Garcon.
missing 5 games is more then 25% of the year you do know that right?
But ya all they were missing from there hey day was manning and I didn't even mention Edgrin James he was gone to. But yep Manning was the only one they were missing. That's ESPN Bs
And again you can't go a post talking about yards then wonder why we say you make it all about yards.
But I'll answer Smith is no doubt part to blame but so is everyone else on that team. Vernon Davis pretty good Te Right one of the best in the NFL. One of the fine fine coaches that Smith had to play under said you can't play with him. Again it wasn't just Smith that struggled for all of those years it was the whole freaking team. As for When Harbaugh got there I can't really answer that I don't watch the niners much at all. But most of his time with the niners his piss poor coaching was why. And the problems you talk about Kapernick had some of the same problems as someone had mentioned he only had 1 300 yard game but you ignored that to
Since you want to get technical, let's just focus on 2009 and 2010 since they didn't have Harrison or Edgerrin James and compare it to 2011 (when they didn't have Manning).
2009: AFC South Champions; AFC Champions; Superbowl appearance. 33 touchdowns, 4500 yards, 100 Rating.
2010: AFC South Champions; Out in the first round; 33 touchdowns; 92 rating; 4700 yards
Their line in 2009 wasn't good and was one of the worst in 2010. The colts had THE SAME COORDINATOR in 10 and 11 as well as the same coach.
Concerning Alex Smith:
Still cannot come up with a valid reason for his pathetic touchdown and yards per season.
You're missing the whole point with the Colts
Don't you think if the better head coach was still there Dungy One of there biggest weapons Harrison was still there the O line was playing like they did during much of Mannings time there Edgerrin James was still there that they would have been better even without Manning. All those guys brought nothing to the table???????????????????? You really believe that? OF COURSE THEY WERE FACTORS. Losing Manning was there Death blow but they were already hit with a number of other blows they were not able to take the loss of Manning as well as they could have if all the other parts had not left.
And again you just want to ignore the piss poor coaching Smith had as not a vaild reason??????????? So i want you to rule Vernon Davis sucks Do it he didn't play well under singletary he was sent off the field it was so bad. SO hold him to that same standard he sucks right?
It's clear as day you've made up you're mind on Smith. Alex Smith has played one drive for the Chiefs took them down for a td and what did you do. You come on going dink and dunk BLAH BLAH BLAH. Whats wrong with good start keep it up. You can't do it. You clearly can't be objective when it comes to QBs. Your track record speaks for itself to argue any further at this point would be pointless. Smith will never please you.
And Smith passed for 68 of those 80 yards on that opening drive last Friday night to put them in scoring range. So what's your point?
He's considered a quality QB if he takes care of the football, isn't a turnover machine like Cassel, and moves the ball and puts points on the scoreboard like he did Friday night. I'm not worried about fantasy football stats, I'm more concerned about an increase in the win column for the Chiefs this year and in the coming years and, like it or not, Alex Smith was the best QB available to help them with that.
Again show me a QB that played well under Singletary/Nolan. You Can't you expect Smith to come into the NFL with that piss poor coaching and just lite up the league? Something Tells me if Geno's NFL coach was sending his starting TE off the field and pulling his pants down at half time like the coach Alex Smith had you would be telling us about the horrible coaching if Geno struggled. Those things are facts they happened you think any QB would come in to the NFL and lite up the league under those conditions? In one post you admit to the piss poor coaching then in the next you say it's not a valid reason. Make up your mind
In that season under Harbaugh Smith was so horrible he just had his team on the brink of the SUPERBOWL
The 2nd year he was on pace to have the 20td season before he got a concussion new league rules state that you have to miss time the old days he most likely wouldn't have missed time. Kapernick got hot and he never got a chance to start again he had 13 tds in 9 starts that's 1.4 tds a game give him 16 games of that and you have 22tds there would be your 20td season. He was on pace but got a concussion. He was also on pace to average 200 yards a game he didn't get a chance to grow in Harbaughs system but was doing well in the time he did get
All I am going to say is, Alex is our starting QB. That is it period. I remember being upset with DV bringing in Trent Green, because we destroyed him when he was playing against us while at the rams. I was sure he was not going to be any good! But he became a Chief, and our starting QB, and I support and believe in my team, so I as a fan of my Team, supported him. Was I wrong to be that way? Is Trent Green now one of the best QB in Chief's history, if he is not in your opinions, then your not a true Chief. So that being said, I gave my fan support to Cassel, he did not live up to it. Alex Smith is a Chief, and starting QB of my team, I believe in him, 1 preseason game does not prove him, only time will tell the story it will tell. But I believe in him, he is a CHIEF!
So why all the crap in this thread that is negative about this or because we did not draft a QB with the first pick crap so lets be neg about the current starter, or lets bring more crap just to fuel the bs? Stop the negative attitudes! Be Chiefs! Get excited for OUR TEAM!!!! THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get Pumped UP!!!!!! For the NEW SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He had a concussion in the old system he would have been right back out there. The new CBA brought brand new ways when it comes to head injuries Brett Farve would have missed a number of starts instead of being the iron man . But why bring that fact out when you can bash him
You asked why he had didn't average 200ypg he was on pace to do so and now you act like it's nothing like I said my man you just keep proving my point Smith will never be good enough for you. IT will always be ya but he didn't do this or he didn't do that. So far all we have seen is 1 drive as a Chief the only thing that matters. That drive was a td. What's wrong with saying good job keep it up? You can't do that. Instead it's ya but he only threw short passes. WE GET IT YOU DON'T LIKE SMITH you can stop now. Bashing him over and over again is just old. But that's ALL YOU DO. Pretty much every post you bash or throw in a little dig t him WE GET IT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. You have made your opinion of him very clear. We can talk about other things. You have every right to have your opinion but to go on and on about it is VERY VERY ANNOYING.
It is preseason, so I am closing this thread. It has ran its time long enough.