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With not one single receiver getting open down the field & nowhere for the QB to step up in the pocket. Fisher did provide the key block that got Davis the 1st down on the 4th down play. I don't expect Fisher to be dominant at RT in his rookie year as it's not his natural position. He's a Left Tackle playing out of position this year to accomodate Albert playing LT for this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
Play by play doesn't tell you who all was in the game. Bowe only showed up once in ours he only played 1 play. They didn't throw the ball much and it does seem they took Gore out but I'll believe the commentators more then someone who has gone to lenghts to bash this teamQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
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Originally Posted by brdempsey69
Fisher hasn't looked like a number 1 pick, bottomline.
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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
I assure you, on offense I didn't see 1 regular starter Matt. But on defense it was obvious, their backups were in and our number 1's couldn't move the ball.
Yes because it's always good to judge a rookie by game 2 of the PRESEASON soQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
Peyton Manning was a HORRIBLE number 1 pick 2 more INTS then TDS and that's after he got a whole year Man what a bust he was for the Colts Right?
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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
So far not so good for Fisher. QB is considered a developmental position, RT is not.
EVERY rookie goes through a developmental process There's an adjustment for every single rookie there always will beQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
No coach in the history of the NFL has ever said about any player after 2 preseason games in which again there is very little gameplaing for the team you're faceing that the rookie is not living up to his pick.
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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
All I said is he hasn't looked like a number 1 pick and it's true. Number 1 pick is supposed to be immediately ready. Remember the "we are going to draft the best player" quote?
If the number 1 pick is supposed to be "immediately ready" and gets no time for development then Again Peyton Manning total bust right? You can't have it both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
And if we had drafted you guy Geno and he struggled early you would tell me he needed time to develop you know you would. And you would be right to do so.
Yes QB is more of a developmental spot. But that doesn't mean others don't like I said every rookie goes through development 2nd game of the preseason is WAY to early to start judging him
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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
Joeckel and Fisher were 2 players we were considering for the number 1 pick. Joeckel is impressing, Fisher is not.
http://jacksonville.com/sports/footb...oting-practice
Pete Prisco on Joeckel:
https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/363437056568991744
You're missing the point of it only being game 2 of the preseason but I will biteQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
Ryan Leaf should have been picked number 1 over Manning Clearly he had a better start to his first preseason
http://www.footballperspective.com/t...s-meaningless/
You're jumping to gun on Fisher. Will he be worth the number 1 pick when it's all said and done who knows at this point. It's FAR FAR to early to say
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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
I never said Fisher was going to be good or bad. I never said he is going to be better or worse than Joeckel. I said he hasn't looked good so far, which is troubling.
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Originally Posted by MyManHali
you might not have said it but you have for sure implied it with stuff like this
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Originally Posted by MyManHali
And that's just now there have been far more post like this from you telling us about our 1st pick and how it was wasted when it happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
You quoted Pete fricking Prisco to back up your argument. You just lost any shred of credibility you might have had left! :pointlaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
^^Baldwin probably would have dropped it anyway, just like he did with the one that Smith put right into his hands. This guy seems to be going nowhere and I doubt he'll be wearing a Chiefs uniform next season.
Asomugha is a backup...he's on the bubble for even making the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
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Originally Posted by TopekaRoy
Judging from the previous 2 seasons and so far this preseason I would say I have quite a bit of credibility.
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Originally Posted by brdempsey69
Hopefully the same goes for Smith. I can't take check down city all year.
Smith can't catch the ball for his receivers. And the pass Baldwin dropped wasn't a checkdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
That drop by Baldwin over the middle really was horrible. Over the past two years I've really been hoping that he can get it together, but it's not looking so good.Quote:
Originally Posted by brdempsey69
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Originally Posted by brdempsey69
He has had 1 real NFL calibur pass the entire preseason which was dropped by Baldwin. Everything else has been checkdown city. He looked like Cassel today.
I'm in the same boat Aussie. I'm hoping he can do something this year. This is year 3 for him it's make or break I still hope he can turn it around but The more time goes the more I doubt it will happenQuote:
Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan
Again with the Cassel BS really?Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
Yes, very similar actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
-7-16 62 yards
-3 passing first downs (1 was a screen)
-He was extremely inaccurate down field.
-He failed to make pre snap reads. (Sacked and pressured way too many times from simple corner blitzes)
-He panicked under pressure.
-He threw flat passes whenever he could.
-Failed to complete any deep balls.
-4 punts
I wonder what it is like before the season starts to know that your quarterback can take you to the promise land.
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Originally Posted by brdempsey69
So he had one pass over 10 yards that wasn't a checkdown and was dropped by Baldwin. What about every other throw over 10 yards that sucked?
We are going to have drops during the year. It happens to every team. It is up to the quarterback to offset the mistakes by his teammates. Hell, every great quarterback does this, unfortunately it doesn't happen here in Kansas City.
You did watch the starting D-Line right??? I didn't see much from the starting D-Line to complain about aside from the one long run for which they didn't allow a touchdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord-Chiefy
Smith didn't see him, and he didn't have time to look left due to the un blocked blitzer off the edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan
He had no time to throw downfield. Three drops like that by three different players in the span of one quarter is inexcusable. Smith didn't look like Cassel -- the O-Line looked like the same O-Line that can't pass-block like we've been seeing from 2007 up to the present. Until the pass-protection issues are fixed and receivers start hanging on to the ball when it's put in their hands, then no QB is going to have any success in KC. Blaming Smith is just a copout.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
BTW, how many passes did Daniel and Bray throw downfield? ZERO.
No turnovers Unlike Cassel but why include that since it doesn't fit your opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
He threw down field hit one of his starting WRS right in the hands the WR droped it Unlike Cassel whos throws were on the high side but again why included that since it doesn't fit your opinion
The guy got hit on a play designed for him to get the ball and throw a screen he was hit in the chest when he had the ball for less then 3 seconds so Smith sucks? What did he forget to tell the O line to block?
When the O line isn't protecting how do you suppose a guy is suppose to go downfield. The plays that you say he had time he was moving around to buy that time. The fact is the O line gave up 7 sacks that's a pace to give up more then 100 sacks a season not many QBs are going to do well under those conditions
and once again the short pass ARE REIDS SYSTEM don't like it go watch anther team what is Smith suppose to do say screw you coach I'm calling my own plays just to please you? But you will IGNORE this yet again
Then go root for your boy Geno who's butfumbles backup That's how good he isQuote:
Originally Posted by MyManHali
Smith Clearly just forgot to tell the O line to block he should be benchedQuote:
Originally Posted by brdempsey69
And in one half Smith managed to be sacked less the the backups so it wasn't just Smith
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Originally Posted by matthewschiefs
Smith was afraid to throw the ball unless he had a clean pocket or the rb/te was wide open...he frequently double clutches in the pocket and holds the ball, as the gif I posted earlier in this thread indicates. Fisher is beat on the play but Smith still has time to get rid of it.
The OL was bad, but Smith did absolutely nothing to help, he didn't audible or make pre snap adjustments. He didn't call any hot routes to offset blitzes. He is a quarterback who isn't a playmaker and executes plays exactly as instructed.
Charles remains the centerpiece of attention and without him the offense falls apart. Bringing in Alex Smith did nothing to change that.
http://i.imgur.com/REpK167.gif
Wow, just wow. He had about 3 more of those. Can't blame that on the line.
RELAX!!!!!! it is only preseason. if you feel the need to panic about something, worry about why the O line could not open any running lanes nor protect the QB. could be they were playing the #2 team in the NFL last year or that reid has not dipped very far into his bag of tricks and was predictably vanilla, or it could just be an exhibition game.
Precisely, that is the main concern. If improvement doesn't happen in these areas, it won't matter who the damn QB is.Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefnut
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Originally Posted by brdempsey69
Rewatching the game now. I am about 5 minutes into the second quarter and protection has been fine. Fisher has been beat a couple of times but they were quick throws. The only time pressure comes is when the niners blitz, and that is something Smith should be able to pick up.
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Originally Posted by chiefnut
With the exception of the first series, they were playing the backup defense, not the #2 team in the league. That is what's so shocking.
Hey MMH, don't bother responding to any of my posts, because I've put you on the ignore list & I strongly encourage everybody else who reads this to do the same.
It's abundantly clear that you are going to continue humping the neighbors dog about a QB not being drafted at #1 overall last April, in spite of the fact there weren't any worth taking, in spite of the fact that's it's been pointed out to you repeatedly that the Chiefs are Zero for 17 when it comes to drafting QB's since 1970 ( how's the latest, Stanzi, doing? ), along with the fact that pass-protection issues are going to be a problem for any QB, as well as receivers not catching the ball.
It's also clear that you aren't willing to give Alex Smith or Eric Fisher a fair bit of diplomacy by letting them play an entire season to be given a fair evaluation. We aren't even but two games into the preseason, but it's clear that all season long you are going to be regurgitating the same dogsh!t over and over and over about not drafting Geno Smith & yet everybody knows that Geno would not have fared any better last night than Smith, Daniels, or Bray did.
There's no way anyone can miss the same points that have been made to you repeatedly, as you continue to pretend to.