Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/re...s/viewpost.gif
Alright Genius; you got it:
No excuses here today, let's get right in. In fact, I say let's throw every excuse right out the window.
Since we're talking QB's and pass protection, how does "opening up holes" factor in to this?
Because we are talking about o-line quality. Watch some time. You can see the o-linemen trying to open running lanes.
And again, this has to do with passing HOW???
I never said the line was great at opening holes. But to say the team is incapable of "addressing the O-Line properly" is a no-win debate with you.
How do you figure? This is your first discussion with me on the matter, and you have already given up?
When you said "throw excuses out the window" di you mean so you could catch them and immediately use them?
Saying something is a 'no-win' debate sounds like the frontline of all excuses to me.
I don't need to know you or anyone else personally to make my point on this; I've been listening to this same complaint, every season, for 12 years.
Of the five starting positions, we had one secured. The team added one through the draft, and none from free agency. (No, I don't count anything past the fourth round of the draft, and I don't count any of the waiver-wire garbage that mediocre teams have scraped off their boot as anything either.)
If that is how you address starting positions on an NFL football team, then you have no clue.
(For the record, that is how Herm addressed it, and he does have no clue.)
Which free agents should we have picked up? Was there any real talent to be had? I'll concede the waiver point, but since I( or everyone else for that matter )can't decipher Herm Edwards, I really can't give you the kind of answer you're looking for, except to say that if they're committed to a "youth movement", why are you gonna' pull a "Dick Vermeil" and draft / free-agent for today?
Why are you gonna' bring in 3 year and up used legs? Do you know how many leg surgeries NFL linemen average in their careers? 10 or MORE.
If there's one position on a football team where youth will be served at the same level as experience; the NFL Lineman is IT.
Should we have gone to the 08 draft and used every Ace Card to acquire Offensive Linemen? And if we had, would you now be 100% satisfied because of it?
Exaggeration is yet another excuse. Instead of actually using some common sense, you just act like nothing would ever be good enough for me, and throw your e-arms in the air in frustraion? Stop it! Act like a man.
See last reply.
No, no you wouldn't.
Here is another brilliant debate tactic. Assure me that you know me better than I know myself, and that I would never accept anything.
You're right; I have NO idea what Chiefs fans think, as they never express their opinions. And, because you are an island and isolated from the rest of the fan base, it's wrong for me to assume that I might know what you makes you tick.
:rolleyes:
You and a thousand other people would be moaning and groaning about the vast amounts of swiss cheese in the defense and special teams.
I, and countless others, already are 'moaning and groaning' about those issues.
Tell me something I DON'T know. Nonetheless, a fact is a fact, and the overall "roundness" of the defense would be in much sorrier state than it is now.
The key factor being Swiss Cheese; IT WAS EVERYWHERE. We had to spread the acquisition around, and I think "Dumb and Dumber" did a pretty fly job of making it happen.
Wait a second. I watched a pretty decent defense, for most of last season. And I watche dthe worst offense in the NFL. (Special teams too, but that is late-round stuff.)
So are you saying that we should have kept more Vets? It doesn't matter; last year is dead and gone.
So understanding that, let us keep the debate within the paradigm we find ourselves:
Say it with me; "Youth Movement".
One more time; "Youth Movement".
Point starting to sink in, yes?
And just for the record; I watched a defense that just gave up 100% after the loss to Green Bay at Arrowhead.
If we're going to complain about the "lack of push/lack of domination" on Our Lines, let's complain about 31 million dollars that could have been used to address this.
Read around new guy. I do. But that is no excuse for ignore three starting positions on the offesne, not to mention several depth positions.
Depth Positions or Offensive Line; where are we going here? Are we going to tack on new subjects to this debate on a whim, or are we sticking with program?
But to the matter at hand, the average "safety time before getting sacked/having to scramble" in the pocket is 2.5 to three seconds. You're going to tell me that our line can't manage THAT?!
BS! If that were the average then noone would pass, and we would be a whole lot better than we are. Don't make-up numbers. Do some research on the subject. I don't deal well with others' imagination. And the half-second difference between two and a half, to three is a s***load, when we are talking about finding an open reciever.
I'll subtract the .5 and concede to you one more FULL second( and keep in mind I'm talking about having your entire person firmly planted in one spot after coming off the snap), anything after that; you'd better hop back on Mr. Rodgers Trolley, and ride your butt on out of the Land Of Make-Believe.
Or, is it the receivers? Orrrrrr......
Is it this franchise's Ultra Uber-Long History of being either to cheap to pull the trigger, or too stupid to evaluate talent at the position?
Survey SAYS!???:
"Door number two please"...
"CORRECT"!
If Quinn Gray turns out to be a flop, it won't suprise me one bit.
BUT...
If he turns out to be an Uber-Stud; you can bet your a** it was pure happenstance.
I've seen this scenario before. Two Chiefs Quarterbacks, one O-Line.
I'm gonna guess that that was a better o-line.
It sure was.
That said, regardless of that lines talent or the lack thereof, two different Quarterbacks played behind it; one was a producer( which we so wisely p*ssed away ), and one was not( which of course we kept. )
And that's what this entire debate comes down to; who has the raw skill and drive to make things happen, even in the worst of situations.
Now; I generally choose Dr. Pepper to go with my Crow, but Coca Cola works great too. I'm gonna' run to the fridge real quick and get you a bottle.
I do prefer being a gracious winner...:D
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QB number 1 struggles for wins at the beginning of the season and eventually ends up on the bench with an injury.
QB number 2 steps in, lights a fire under everyone's a**, and steers his team to 1st-round, home field advantage in the Playoffs.